39BuickEight Posted March 6, 2010 Author Share Posted March 6, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the comments everyone! We got into the hard to reach areas of the frame today, and the trailing arms (at least that's what I call them ): before: after: inside the frame: Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhclark Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 the handy dandy frame sandblasting setup, now if it would get above 20 degrees for a day:Your oil barrels look nicer than my cars. :p:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cdub8200 Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 does any one know how much compression a 1939 buick should have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alzindi8 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hi, really nice and thorough job you're doing. The car will last another hundred years with your careful work. Have you tried rust killers? In seams and any surface rusted parts that abrasives won't reach you can use a dilute mix of phosphoric acid. The more liquid the better. The acid converts the rust into something that's no longer rust. (most of the 'rust convertors' on shops shelves you'll notice contain 30% or so of that acid)Also, remember to keep your metal parts warm before painting as metal absorbs a small amount of moisture and even if you paint over that the rust will return to haunt you..or the next generation.All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 out of curiosity, can anyone tell me if my frame is the short one or the long one?updated pics coming soon, nothing too crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1939_Buick Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) Yours is a long frame as your image http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee222/wellinghurst/antique%20cars/12-28-09-2.jpgShort frames end over the rear springs. On the long frame the heavy steel frame goes to the back bumperIn the combined image below your long frame is compared to a short frame. Not that this short frame does not the brace over the mid frame. The brace was an early Buick fix. A full lenght frame was the final fix Edited October 26, 2010 by 1939_buick images added (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 I never knew about the different frame until yesterday. Interesting. I'll be posting some transmission photos next. I'm curious now that the correct color of it is not clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted October 29, 2010 Author Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) transmission is cleaned and painted. There was some discussion on the proper color and there were some saying gray like the engine, some black, and some not painted at all, so I went with black. after: before: Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ccar Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Hey guys, I am watching this thread with a great deal of interest. I have a '39 46C that was body finished in the late '70's, new paint,top - wrong fabric - new uph - again not correct fabric. Anyway, I couldn't get it to start last Fall and found that the fuel line was rusted and sucking air, not fuel. So I have stripped the underside of the body of brake and fuel lines, exhaust etc. Now getting close to having painted the floor pan and frame. My cleaning is done with wire brushes, scrapers and acid itch. Not too much fun at this point. Your posts give me encouragement! I'll be watching. Wes, thanks for your lead, and to the gentleman in TX on woodgrain (My dash was never redone). Ccar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dokks6t9 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 I hope you're using some type of breathing apparatus, not just the hood you're holding. Sandblasting can/will affect your lungs in a big way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) a few parts painted, also got word of an allowance of funds to be put towards the car, so it will be done in 10 years instead of 20 now Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 (edited) . Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) some preassembly pics: Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 Hupp Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Lookin' good! Now....If only I had a garage like that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) got all the suspension parts in this week, it's mocked up without all the bushings for now, should have all the suspension done this weekend, put some fluid in the shocks and they work like a charm now...had one leak, but tightening a bolt fixed that, then it's time to figure out the Torque Ball stuff: Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) put the axles back in today, and mocked up the torque tube/driveshaft, found out it has the standard 4.44:1 gears with 40/9 teeth and the white paint on the right axle, anybody know what the red and green paint on the left axle mean? Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2Wrench Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Simply amazing. Looks nearly as good as your garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) rear suspension done (will need to adjust when it's actually under weight) Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhar1960 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 It's certainly coming along nicely Billy. Something satisfying about bolting things back together.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) got the transmission on, the rear bearing seal was a pain to get on the middle shaft, but we got it eventually, got the wheels and steering shaft/gear out of the shed to sandblast next, Dad has been touching up the paint on the frame too since we scratch it every time we put something on : The transmission and entire driveline assembly is so much tighter now in terms of overall movement.Before we had to put 2x4's under it to keep the transmission from flopping around, now it stays put all by itself. Putting the jackstands under the lower arm in the front didn't budge the suspension at all. I'm guessing once the engine is in it will squat a little The entire rear end is a little to the right, but when we put weight on it, it straightens out. If you look at the old photo, it's a little to the right in that one too. I guess it does that when the springs are extended, geometry I guess. Of course it will all need to be adjusted when it is under full weight, but we are still trying to get it halfway straight right now. now: Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pm5471 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Fantastic work you are doing. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) cleaned the garage floor and put the steering column in tonight next up ordering motor mounts and sending motor off for rebuild Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthbob Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 If I ever need an operation I would like to have it done in your shop....Good gawd man.Very nice work, I am enjoying your very rapid progress through your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 If I ever need an operation I would like to have it done in your shop....Good gawd man.Very nice work, I am enjoying your very rapid progress through your project.Well, the progress has been pretty good this winter, we have more done that we thought we would have done so far. It will come to a screeching halt when it warms up and the weekends will turn to fishing.Dad likes to keep his shop clean. It does make it easier to work, that's for sure.Today we disassembled the timing chain and found it was put together wrong, according to the manual anyway. The car couldn't have been running quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Billy, in what way was the timing chain put together wrong?? Inreresting! Agree with others, fantastic garage and work. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthbob Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Dad likes to keep his shop clean. It does make it easier to work, that's for sure..This is a very important statement....I found a loss of drive towards my project for a while, always dinking around and fiddling with all different things......getting nothing substantial done. My shop was a mess....tools everywhere, bench loaded and unusable and most importantly THE DUST! I sanded the car down and it layered everything! It wasn't until I cleared my bench, the floor and the dust from sanding that I was able to start getting some real work done again. I even scrubbed the floor as it does have a nice epoxy coating.I doubt I will have that showroom garage like your Pop's but I try now to keep it neat to keep it enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Billy, in what way was the timing chain put together wrong?? Inreresting! Agree with others, fantastic garage and work. BenAccording to the manual, the 2 links with the washers line up with the marks on the gears. Well, the side facing out only had 1 washer link, and it wasn't lined up on either gear. The side with 2 washers was facing in, impossible to see. Unless they lined it up and just put it on inside out. It certainly didn't look like the picture in the manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhar1960 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Today we disassembled the timing chain and found it was put together wrong, according to the manual anyway.That's interesting !! Did you take a pic ?? The genius that did my engine put the timing chain on totally wrong. Thankfully I picked it up before I put the head back on otherwise I would have had smashedvalveatosis.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Danny, no photos, just seems to have been backwards (I don't see how that part would matter???) and off one tooth, if you can imagine that?Anybody know off hand if this chain on eBay fits my 248?40 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 Olds Nos GM Timing Chain - eBay (item 220722611132 end time Feb-08-11 09:15:38 PST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buick36-49 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 WOW!! What a big progject. '39 Buicks are beatiful cars...a little different style than what you would expect from a Buick!! I love these at the show...BEST OF LUCK!! Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2Wrench Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Stunning, great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landman Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Great inspiration for those of us who lean to the messy side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassesguy Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Billy: Did anybody reply to your timing chain question of a few weeks ago? The 28-41 Parts Book shows the 39 Series 40 chain as fitting 1934-1941 Series 40 and 1940-41 Series 50. The Ebay chain pictured is probably Oldsmobile as stated. Your restoration looks terrific. Keep those posts coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 Billy: Did anybody reply to your timing chain question of a few weeks ago? The 28-41 Parts Book shows the 39 Series 40 chain as fitting 1934-1941 Series 40 and 1940-41 Series 50. The Ebay chain pictured is probably Oldsmobile as stated. Your restoration looks terrific. Keep those posts coming!No and thank you! Looks like it was a good thing I passed on that one. I've been trying to find a timing chain that isn't $100 to my door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 engine just might be back this week finally....and a 30x40 ft building is being installed!!!!! This should help move things along better in the summer so there will be no seasonal musical chairs with the boat and the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) engine update, got it back this week, during the week Dad cleaned it up and painted it, and put the timing chain gears, new timing chain, camshaft, and breather on, today we put the decal and rebuilt fuel pump on we are having trouble figuring out where to bolt on the intake and exhaust manifolds Edited August 26, 2017 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhar1960 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Looks good Billy !!Just a suggestion but when you get it up and running, I'd check the fuel pump pressure. Your pump is similar to but not the original fuel pump. I had one like yours and an original. I put the one like yours on first purely because it looked new. It had just over 5 lbs of pressure which was a little on the high side. The original had only a tad under 3 lbs which is about where it should be. Too much pressure "may", and a big "may" cause flooding. Just something to look out for.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) That's interesting, that pump must be very similar to an original because the rebuild kit for an original one from Bob's worked...??? I will keep that in mind.We did find that it has been changed at least once because we found an old part of one in the oil pan, the arm that rides on the cam was laying in there, must have broken off. Is the one on there a vintage replacement? Edited April 26, 2011 by 39BuickEight (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhar1960 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Billy,I have attached a few pics of fuel pumps. Pics 1 & 2 are of a NOS pump I bought on ebay. Pic 3 is of the NOS ebay pump and an original pump that came with the car. Pic 4 is of a NOS pump I bought here at a swapmeet. Pics 1, 2 & 3 are of a pump correct for a '39. You can tell by where the bail attached to the body. It sits 90 degrees to the fuel line. I currently have the pump like yours on my motor but had to put a spacer between the pump and engine body to lower the pressure. I will eventually get around to putting the NOS ebay pump on the engine. In pic 4 you can also see the original screen filter that I took from the original pump. I too will get a kit from Bob's for my NOS ebay pump before I fit it as I don't know if the diaphragm currently in it will be ok with ethanol.I wouldn't be overly worried about your pump other than to say it is worth checking that the pressure isn't too high as it was with mine.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40phil41 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I may be out to lunch here but on my MOPAR's (1940 and 1941 Dodges) the fuel pump glass bowl points down. Is the Buick different in that respect?Nice looking engine.Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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