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  1. Try mribbich here (his email will come up on search)---sent him a catalog awhile back to help ID a batch of fabric UJoints he'd acquired...
  2. Many thxx for replies!! GD: any H-S ID on those?? All of my stuff is by company designation... On My H-S list i have I, JU (1917), 2700, 6600, 7000,11000 (1930), M326, 30, 90, 91(1936) for 4's (dates being the date of the catalog they first show up in)... E, SA (1917) 7000, 11000 (1930)40, 41, 90, 91 (1936) for 6's...I don't pretend that list to be complete, it's just what show up in my old catalogs...7000, 11000, 90 and 91 appear on both lists as they're all listed in at least two catalogs as "4-6" in the cyl column... My 1930 McCord gasket catalog also has a listing for a 6cyl 4x6 OHV (from the look of the head gasket) "used on Mitten-Traylor Gas Electric Model"...but I find nothing in the Std Cat or Mroz's US Truck Ency...There was a Traylor Truck co 1920-28, but no mention of any gas-elec...I'll have to Google it and see what comes up... COMMODORE: Yes, nice piece!! Since that's the "V" 3x5, the "VA" 31/4 x5 must've come along a little later (have not yet read whole piece so may be mentioned in text)... Again, many thxxfor replies.
  3. Looking thru some of my old parts catalogs for some Hershell-Spillman listings, I noticed a great deal of confusion in the 7000 and 11000 engine listings... They seemed to go back and forth as to whether either was a 4 or a 6, and whether the bore was 31/4 or 31/2... An occasional misprint is common, but there were a whole bunch of these... Then in the engines section of a 1924 piston catalog I find: 7000---4, 6, 8 cyl---31/4 bore 11000---4, 6 cyl---31/2 bore...as if these engines were issued in 4 and 6cyl versions (leave alone the V8)... Both a 30 McCord and a 38 Vic gasket catalog show 7000---4cyl---31/2 bore 11000---6cyl---31/4 bore Does anyone here know if H-S actually issued either of these engines in both 4 and 6 versions and/or in the two bores, or is this a case of misprint contagion??
  4. Yes, as Clincher said, Chilton Flat Rate/repair manual shows car serial # "nameplate on footboard", "name plate on toeboard" for the 28's shown. Another adds "under carpet".
  5. LAYDEN: In case the Dodge people haven't replied-- I've sen a number of such references, but didn't note them as I don't follow the mainline trucks/cars... Mroz mentions a 1927 60HP L-hd 6 designed by Dodge, built by Cont'l, and used in their 2T truck... Std Cat text makes the same mention, except states 1928... Only one of my period catalogs lists them, a 1930 wrist pin catalog: Dodge Car: 1927 Senior 6 Cont'l Spec (Special?) 6cyl 31/4 bore 1928-29 Sen 6, Std 6, Victory 6 Cont'l 6cyl 33/8 bore Dodge Trk: 1927-28 2T Cont'l Spec 6cyl 31/4 bore...the company part number matches the 31/4 bore above.. Neither lists a Cont'l engine ID; it would appear either two Cont'ls were used or the original engine bored out a bit... The only time I've seen the "Cont'l Spec" designation in my old catalogs was when an engine was used in only one make/model, like the Durant A22.... AHHH: another catalog shows an engine change under Dodge: 1927-28 2240, Senior 6 to car # IS24720 31/4 bore 1928-30 Sen 6 after car # ID24720 (+ various other models) 33/8 bore......
  6. Didn't pick up on this thread when it started for some reason... For all things obsolete Cont'l the generally accepted place to start is Garrad (Gerry/Jerry) Moon at Montes Eqpmt, Chicago, IL,obsolete Cont'l parts dealers...garradmoon@montes@flash.net or montesequipment.com... P A Ross machinery (Dallas, TX) has also been mentioned as helpful with old Cont'ls...parossmachinery.com... You're fortunate in that at least some parts for the 16C are shared with other Cont'l engines (I understand Cont'l gave different designations to basically the same engine when used by different car makers)... A 36 King products catalog (Piston assembly, valves,bearings) shows, in the Cont'l engine section: (1) piston assembly shared with some 23 other 6s and 3 8s (2) valves are only shared with 5 other 6s, but valves are the easiest to make out of valve blanks stocked by all parts houses (3) Main bearing shared with 6 other 6s (4 mains shown) (4) that catalag lists no rod bearings; another catalog, a 1930 Rebabbitted Rods/Mains catalog, shows it with poured/babbited rods shared with 3 other 6s... OH,WAIT--a 1951 Fed-Mog bearing catalog shows TWO 16c listings (a) a poured rod shared with 10 other 6s ( rod bearing/exchange rod columns left blank, shared with 15C 6cyl, which 15C is NOT in the (a) list above...both the listings show the same mains, the only difference being the rof forging #: 8UD-505 for (a), and 8UD-502 for (... Rechecking the 1930 catalog finds the two forging # listings, but they don't agree with the 51 FM listings... Oh, well, now you see how parts people sometimes give you the wrong parts... Can send those other engine numbers if you need them later.
  7. Can't help on your interchange, but can advise that if you're reduced to buying copies of numerical ID pages from gasket catalogs I've found the ones in my 38 Victor abbreviated---index lists one or two engines when gasket (for a 4cyl Buda in my case) actually fit 6 or 7 as listed in the Buda pages...with sympathy, Bud
  8. As mentioned, Jewett was part of Paige-Detroit, later Paige, and when the Paige died in 1927 it was sold to the Graham Bros, who reorganized as Graham-Paige (Std Cat)... There's a graham-paige.com website; if you're lucky, that's the place to start for info, altho it may not cover Jewett as, technically, it was not "Graham built"... Parts availability depends-- Std cat says Paige "...built all its own engines...thru WWI years...Paiges of the Twenties carried Continentals..."... The point here is that if your 1925 has a Paige built engine it may well be harder to find parts for than a Cont'l engine...conversely, Paige could've used a Cont'l, or other, design that they built under license, and the same or very similar engines may've been used in other makes... A 1930 McCord gasket catalog lists some confusing/contradictory engine info: UNDER JEWETT: Jewett Motor, 6cyl, Passenger. 22-24. Paige Light 6, 1918-21. Models 42, 44 (two motors, 31/8x5 and 31/4x5)... Jewett Motor, 6cyl, Passenger. Model 1923-25. Paige 6-65. 1926-27, a 31/2x5. The Jewett "New Day" 1926-27 models are shown as having Cont'l motors... UNDER PAIGE: Paige, 6cyl, Passenger: ten or so models 1915-25 with 5 different Cont' s, and a Rutenber, plus one "Jewett" (contradicting Std Cat re WWI period engines)... Paige Motor, 6cyl. Passenger. 1926-27. Jewett 6cyl 1925-26...the 31/4x5 above, WHICH HAD A CYL HEAD ANd PoSSIBLY ENGINE CHANGE IN LATE 1926 (you'll note this doesn't match listings under Jewett...)... AS mentioned above, they apparently used the other parts from "vendors", and those parts could easily be off-the-shelf parts used in other makes, unless built by said vendors to Paige specs... Parts catalogs, of course, are hardly definitive references, as you can see; a couple other period catalogs do agree to the extent that the 25 Jewett is shown with "own" engine, altho this, too, is unreliable as many m'f'r's who used vendor engines passed them off as in-house designs...With sympathy, Bud
  9. Yes, you're right---at least some of the early sealed beams had a sealed-in bulb; I recall seeing them and wondering if it was some kind of early hybrid light (don't recall make), but can't say if that was true over all sealed beam makers or not. General note: if sealed beams seem dim, check grounds first--for some reason at least the early sealed beams were susceptible to dimming if grounds not good.
  10. OOPS---garradmoon@montes@flash.net, or montesequipment.com
  11. CB: Haven't been in site for awhile; just noticed your starter post... While I'm sure Laydens info is reliable (I'm assuming he has a starter ref independent of engine makers ID)...which cont'l is in your 1922 seems to be a matter of who you ask... (A) Std Cat US Cars shows a 4 and 6 for 1922: the 22-K-4 4cyl and the 22-7-R for the 6. Since my old catalogs list a Lycoming K or KB for the 4, we can probably assume it was the Cont 7R in the 6 (the 7W is listed for various 1918-19 6s)... ( 1930 McCord gasket catalog lists a model 60 6cyl 1919-24 using Cont'l 7R and/or?? 8R---the 7R seems to be 31/4 bore, the 8R 33/8. A number of cars that used the 7R are listed this way for the engines used (...7R-8R...). The catalogs do not state if options or the 8R replaced the 7R... © a 1924 wrist pin catalog lists 6cyl LM, FH, KH, SK 1919-22 with the 7R, the 6-60, D, H, R, S, SS-L for 23-24 using the 8R... (D) If that isn't confusing enough, a couple period catalogs list a model 7R (no years shown) using a Cont'l 7N (that McCord catalog lists the 7N as a solid head engine--no removable cyl head)... While you probably have the 7R, take off whatever numbers and letters stamped or cast on the engine and try Garrad (Gerry/Jerry) Moon at Montes in Chicago (obsolete Cont'l parts dealers) who may be able to IF your engine and may have suggestions on a starter...with sympathy, Bud
  12. My set had a nervous breakdown awhile back, and since has transmitted in GB instead of KB...got inst's here somewhere to reduce size, but never get around to it... Would be redundant anyhow, as the club will have the reliable info you need, as well as be the most accurate source...parts catalogs are often weak reeds to lean on... If for some reason club can't help may just post; for small stuff easier than taking pic, trans to cpmptr, trying to transmit, etc (low-tech here!).
  13. King Products K-1140 lists as .810 OD, 5 5/32 Length Under Head (whatever that means) and "Pin type" (other types are Threaded, Plain, and Spec. (special?))... There're several quite close: same diam and Pin type, only slightly longer...grind 'em off?? You'll have to find out if all "pin type" are the same---while there's no catalog section for king bolt pins (bushings, yes, but no "pins"), that's not proof they're all exactly alike... Incidentally, king bolt spec list is also headed "steering knuckle bolts"... Have you been talking to the Hupp club people on this?? Some other period Hupp king pins are very close... In case you want to drive it, find a nice dusty farm road--the dustier the better--you'll be amazed at how quickly a little dirt and dust'll take up the slack in your pins, and I speak from misspent youth experience...you didn't make the mistake of greasing them and/or your tie rod ends, did you??? That's often the best way to bring on the wobblies...With sympathy, Bud
  14. Just noticed your inquiry.... March 36 King Products (they must've issued these every month !??!) has a note on the tie rod ends: "...tie rod socket and intermediate rod MUST BE INSTALLED TOGETHER..." (their capitals)...TWO SETS are listed for "...1934 417W, 421J..." can send specs, and for king pins, if wanted...the socket fits a whole array of cars, only the intermediate rod makes the sets different... All tie rod sections seem to be headed "Tie Rod Sockets and Intermediate Rods" Your king pins ("king bolts" in the catalog) show for, as mentioned above, 34-35 417W and 517W.... Remember parts co's sometimes devised "universal" parts that'd fit/work without always being perfect factory duplicates, and, conversely, give parts that'd actually interchange their own different numbers for different cars... Any halfway decent bearing outfit should be able to furnish or match your bearings, unless they're some weird oddities...
  15. On your starter problem---if it's still jumping out of engagement and spinning, pucker up and pull the tin plate off the bottom of the flywheel housing---if there isn't one, or any way to look at the flywheel teeth, you'll have to pull the starter and look in the hole--- What you don't want to see as someone slowly turns the motor over (plugs out) is places with badly worn ring gear teeth... While 6s are better than 4s (4s tend to stop in four places, 6s in six, concentrating starting wear in those places) they do wear enough that the starter gear will slip out of engagement and motor until you release the key...Ring gears are cheap, compared to the labor cost of R&R flywheel...hope I'm wrong If the teeth look good try washing the Bendix well; sometimes they just get crudded up.
  16. Looked at those PW spec lists; they were 1919/20, not 1918...1919 didn't list the trans #, but the 1920 matched the 1919 with the addition of the B-L trans #s: 3/4T #21 with B-L 35 3 speed 11/2T #20 with same trans 21/2T #19 with B-L 35 but shown as 4 speed 31/2T #18 with B-L 50 4 speed There wasn't any column for aux trans. I didn't mean to imply earlier that Watson didn't build over-the-road trucks, which I assume the above are. Coachbuilt has a nice little piece on Watson if you haven't seen it...
  17. You might try sites like ATHS, HCEA and the old-Cat sites---I believe Watson made a line of 4WD trucks that'd be used in heavy const, mining, logging etc...Mroz says the early models (1917-19???) were short wheelbase "tractor" types that used Brown-Lipe clutches and transmissions.... I've 1918 and 1919 Power Wagon specs I can check in the AM, but under trans etc it doesn't give any model #s... Watson died 1925 per Mroz; don't know if any clubs exist... Originally Watson Wagon Company of Canastota, NY, name changes 1919 to Watson Products Cptn, and in 1923 to Watson Truck Cptn ... Maybe local Hist Soc/Pub Lib might have some old company literature???
  18. Many thxx to all who took the time and effort to reply... My curiosity piqued again, I posted the question on the Lugs/Cleats forum at smokstak (I, too, spend too much time there!)... Turns out that Guy Fay, who posts there, is obviously a Case Guru, and was kind enough to link my question to an earlier smokstak thread that included, among much other Case history info, the article linked above and a full page ad on the Plow Works truck, generally listed as 1920-23... I still have to go through that old thread again, as so far I've seen nothing that explains Georgano's Case Threshing Machine Co truck, supposedly 1910 or so to 1924. altho it's quite possible I've overlooked something... I've assumed the Plow Works truck was relatively low prod and marketed primarily, if not wholly, to the farm/ag community, as it, nor the TM Co truck, appear in any of my old parts catalogs or in the 1920 Power Wagon truck spec lists...
  19. Well, Jon, if you're still out there--- Seems I did some digging around on this in 2007, when I was first getting interested in old trucks (not the trucks as such but which US vendors engines were in them)... Run search on aths of J I Case Plow Works Truck (or was that a Google search??--it's late here again) and a thread by tseaborg 1-2-07 should come up; ignore the Triumph etc comments. My comments are under "clueless", one of my handles at the time, and there are also comments re' a Threshing Machine Co truck in a link to a 11-22-06 smokstak Lugs/Cleats thread. Sorry don't have time to dig around any further--there should be comprehensive Case history books for both companies available...
  20. Something about that Case truck thumbnail bothered me (oldtractors-engines.blogspot.com), so dug out my Case notes... The thumbnail says the Case Threshing Machine Co took the option on the Stephenson truck in 1912, failed to exercise it, and later "...returned to trucks in 1915, building them into the 20s.."... But AQ's list showed the Case truck built by the Case Plow Works 1920-23...The Threshing Machine Co and the Plow Works, although both owned by heirs/family members of J I Case, had been two totally separate companies during those periods... It's quite possible the originator of the thumbnail confused the two companies, as many did at the time and since, or may not've realized they were separate companies rather than divisions or similar... No sources were listed in that account, so there's also any possible discrepancies in the dates; such discrepancies are all too common in recollections of earlier years...
  21. Jon: Just noticed your post; haven't been in the site for a few days... Pulled out my trusty Mroz--no mention!! Pulled out my trusty AQ "5000 Marques", and there it was in the truck m'f'r's list: Case, mfd by JI Case Plow Works 1920-23...Mroz is usually pretty reliable... Found a thumbnail, saying Case bought an option on Stephenson Mtr Trk Co in 1912 but apparently didn't exercise it; per Mroz Stephenson failed in 1913, and his mention makes no reference to Case. The thumbnail I found went on to say Case returned to trucks in 1920, building trucks until 1923, but gave no other info... My suggestions would be to post on the Case tractor forums and the old-truck forums like ATHS; there's also a pretty good old car and truck engine forum on smokstak... If you're close to a decent pub lib there may be a book or two on Case history that might mention their truck forays... I assume you know the Case Mtr Car Co of New Bremen, OH,, who also built trucks 1910-11 or so had (per Mroz) no connection to JI Case
  22. COMMODORE: Thxx again for the reply and links. The history link I hadn't seen, but if you had scrolled down to the Trucks That Used Cont'ls section on the other you would've found my contributions... Also thanks for the reminder it was there; I'd forgotten about it, and going thru the later comments saw several I might've been helpful on. Will try to follow it now. You're probably right about no complete list existing; my list (limited to Automotive, Ind'l and Power Units, and made up primarily from my old parts catalogs engines lists) is lying fallow as I got bogged down in trying to equate the power units with the engines they used (some P- were direct number designations but many apparently had their own P- numbers not related to the Automotive/Ind'l numbers).
  23. COMMODORE: many thxx for correction and heads-up. Do you have a copy, and if so, does it have anything like an engine list?? I have a lot of gaps in b/s on the earlier engines...the history of the company itself is not really of interest... LIB: many thxx for clarification; at least Alan knows what's in the car. A 1930 gasket catalog shows Cont'l used a combination of numbers for OE gasket part numbers: the engine model and another letter-number (V4E-200/201 etc for the V4 engine) AND X-3 digit numbers, so the RB numbers could well be Cont'ls OE casting/parts numbers, as you speculated.
  24. I just remembered I was told about (or saw mentioned somewhere) a book about Continental---as best I recall it was titled "Continental And Its Engines". Several efforts over the years to locate a copy (inquires to EBay, Alibris, Abebooks, Amazon and Autolit, probably; if any other auto lit sites can't recall) never ran a copy down, so I may have the title wrong. Pub lib here no help; didn't run nationwide search, and have no idea if, if it exists, it might be helpful. I may've decided that if autolit didn't have a copy it might not exist...they have a tremendous inventory, and they think very highly of every piece...
  25. (Sigh) another senior moment--forgot to mention that if it's any consolation, eyeballed my (incomplete) engine lists for the major independent engine m'f'r's for any "RB", and didn't find anything likely... Beaver had an RB, but it was 53/4 and/or 6x7 (a number of older engines were issued in two bores, sometimes one for gas and one for kero), a bit large for yours... Buda had a period R, 31/2 bore, but no RB, and I don't think Buda penetrated the luxury car market to any extent... Lycoming had an R, either 3x or 31/4x (catalogs don't always agree) but a gasket catalog says it's en bloc... Wauk had an R but no RB, and very little auto penetration... Wisconsin had an RB/RBU, but probably later and, again, a 5' bore, a bit large... Not that there weren't innumerable (well, at least a dozen or two) other engine builders going at the time, some of which may never've gotten into production, but it's unlikely Gabriel would've chosen an untried builder...
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