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Bud Tierney

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  1. OKCSLIM: The old replacement parts catalogs i've picked up over the years will be of little help for you; I use them primarily for engine ID (some were leftovers when I disposed of earlier old-paper collections, some from EBay) ---as mentioned above try to locate some factory literature... Another possibility is that trucking magazines like Power Wagon and Commercial Car Journal often published "reviews" of new models, sometimes 2-3 pages of tech info and pix that'd be invaluable to you.. and various auto-related magazines---Cycle & Automobile Trade Journal and such---had "Commercial Car" (truck) sections with such "reviews" (almost certainly factory provided copy)...either Google or the AACA Library here may turn up something...
  2. Hold the phone---my old catalogs (granted, far from reliable) show all 4s thru 1923, with 6s starting in 1924...now, some states registered trucks the year they were first licensed, so you could have a 24 model built and registered in late 23, having papers as a 23 model... Nor do my old catalogs show a 7R, either---however, many of these were built to buyers specs/wishes, so it's quite possible the 7R is original as it was available in 1923....mostly a car engine, it was installed in a handful of trucks, a few up to 2Ton.... It was a popular engine; whether to keep it will depend upon what it needs and if pieces are available at acceptable prices, and how original you need it to be.... Your local pub lib should have either Mroz's Ency US Trucks or Georganos big truck book, with nice thumbnails on Moreland... For parts/advice/sympathy good places to post are ATHS and justoldtrucks, both heavily into later stuff but with some oldies; antiquetruckclubofamerica (small but free, so why not?), and the Antq Car/truck forum on smokstak... Garrad (Gerry/Jerry) Moon at Monte's Eqpmt north of Chicago is the place to start for engine parts; they'll come up on Google SuperJeff (Jeff L) who runs the "What Am I?" forum on justoldtrucks has a monumental collection of truck pix/books, and just might have a pic of yours in its original finery (if any)...
  3. Thought I'd see if I had anything on the original engine, but turned out to be less than helpful... Only have two specific listings for the 1919 model 76...a 24 piston catalog showing the Buda YTU, and the Power Wagon December 1919 spec tables which show the Buda YU... That puts it into the old Buda engine designation question...they have several such (CU/CTU, HU/HTU. XU/XTU, each set with same b/s)...with nothing found so far that positively identifies the difference/s designated. The best guess/opinion so far could be YU=open flywheel, YTU=flywheel/bell housing...the "T" definitely doesn't mean "truck" as some listings show both engines, as if options or as if the one with the "T" replaced the two-letter engine, the ones with the "T" almost always having more and later listings... The 1919 Power Wagon specs also show a Timken rear axle, #6652; if it's a Sheldon (not unlikely as many of these were put together to Buyer's specs or instructions) it should have a W- number, possibly W-30, often listed in that weight.
  4. I'm told DiamondTclassics site no longer seems to be current, but haven't checked Justoldtrucks has a vendors & restoration services section for obsolete parts and rebuilders; might be something there...
  5. By "new" engine I assume you mean just rebuilt?? What does the engine do if you gas it too quick (besides die)---cough back thru carb ??? (too lean/not enough fuel etc)---backfire thru muffler/tailpipe??? (timing etc)... HOW does it die??---sputtering/fluttering??---trying to run on two-three??---like you turned the key off??...
  6. GRAHAM: Production of a Little Kar/Texmobile truck apparently remains problematical, unless it had a different name---nothing appears in Mroz's US Trucks/Comm'l Cars book, nor in Grorgano's little truck book (names, adds's etc only, I should live so long as to afford his big book)... Mroz's book does include prototypes... I also have Auto Qtly's "Am'cn Car since 1775--5000 Marques" which also has lists of trucl mfr's, including a list of prototypes, trucks announced but not produced, experimentals etc etc---no mention of ours.
  7. Well, this questions largely answered....finally found the Lakeshore Museums Continental collection, the abstract of which ties the Autocar Eqpmt Co's Chicago Continentals, their marine engine/transmisison work etc together...I'll Google around in 1902-05 some, I'm sure some specs are online somewhere.. I eyeballed a couple of pieces (from before I realized it was all one Continental) one in Cycle & Aut'ble Trade Jnl in 1906 re' hew 4 cyls and new transmission, and one in Motor Boat 1906 re' their moving into the marine field, that I'll have to go back and review...
  8. Should've thought to state: Auto-Car Equipment Co, Buffalo, NY, electric and gasoline trucks 1904 or so apparently has no connection with our Autocar Equipment of Chicago (Auto-Car became Buffalo in 1908 and then Atterbury in 1910)... Apparently no connection with the Autocar Company of Pittsburgh, later Ardmore, Penn, builder of Autocar trucks 1908 or so, fmly Pittsburgh Motor Car Co, builder of Pittsburgh cars etc,
  9. Sorry, no pinion box, but possibly a few suggestions ( I assume there's no Service truck club)--my apologies if already tried... (1) any Sheldon name, numbers or letters stamped, cast on the housing people could use to compare with old axles lying around?? (2) posting around for someone with a Dyke's or similar period publication of truck specs that might list Sheldon's ID for your axle (Don't know if Power Wagon was publishing specs, don't know if Brabhams included trucks)---the idea here that even if no specific ID for your axle you need a list of other similar weight other makes using Sheldon worm drives, quite possibly the same as yours, to widen your search...... (3) posting around with any of the above ID, even axle measurements if nothing else, and pix if possible, on other sites like ATHS, Justoldtrucks and the Antq Cars/trucks forum on smokstak...ATHS and Justoldtrucks traffic is admittedly heavily on much more modern stuff but period items do appear, and it's free... (4) periodically, as here, updating your search every so often; new readers come on, someone will see something that might apply but can;t recall the truck make or where they saw the post, etc... A 1919 Power Wagon spec list lists 16 other makes from 1T to 2T using Sheldons, all were worm drive, so that's helpful (altho there are about 75 makes for 11/2T in 1919)... NOTE: On/in the axle you're apparently looking for a W-number, two or three digit number...With sympathy, Bud
  10. Anyone here know what Cont'ls first engine was??? Per various sources Started as partnership in Chicago 1902 Incp't'd as Autocar Equipment Co 1903 Re-Incp't'd as Continental Motor M'f'g Co 1904 (changed to Cont'l Motors Corporation 1916 et seq) Autocar Eqpmt Co is advertising a "Continental" motor that looks like a 4 cyl inline T-head in Horseless Carriage in 1904, and a marine version is in The Motor Boat in 1905, with reversing clutches, illus complete with driveline to propeller......other ads refer to the company's transmission(/s?) for complete motive power... Wiki refers to first engine being a 1905 L-Head, prior to the 1906 "O" aircraft engine..... Any comments appreciated....
  11. I'd be more surprised if they did have a part... Std Cat, First ed. First printing (but some kind of knock-off as many pix are faint) page 410 Detroit Steam Car---see Trask Steam Devac---1907 De Vaux---1931-32 Devendorff---m'f'r doubted De-Vo---1936-37 "...following the failure of his De Vaux car, Norman de Vaux was trying again..."
  12. OOPS-----WATER PUMP COMPLICATIONS??? Remembered had a 1944 Sealed Power catalog with water pump sections... That catalog does list the C400 and C600 together, not sharing their pumps/s with any other Cont'ls, BUT lists two pumps...one with 51/32 shaft, a second with 6" shaft... Both are listed as if both pumps used on both the 4 and the 6... Not enough parts are listed to make complete comparisuns as to other water pump parts...does indicate packing gland and packing nut are the same, BUT shows different numbers for rear bushings... That catalog also lists a different kit for the C4113, but doesn't list the C4124, 4140 or 4143......
  13. I've found C400s listed for the following in my old parts catalogs: Angleworm tractor (believe it's a small crawler??) no years listed Divco truck--model "R", R34, R35, about 34-37, model "S" 36-38 Federal truck (catalogs differ) model #9 1937. That catalog says #9 went to F140 in 1938) later catalog--9, 9E, 9G, `1/2 to 1T 36-40 AND 3/4T Milk Truck 1937 had either C400 or F4140 Gray marine engines models Phantom 62---35-37 in one catalog---C400, C4143, PC143 and several Cont'l F- 4s C4 and C5---C400 and C4143 J5Y---C400, C4143 Clipper---engine listed as "AC400"?? Four-40---C400, C4143 AND the same Cont'l F-4s
  14. I'd just run across a 2013 discussion of this engine, giving the above numbers, which included my own 2013 reply that: (a) the J27R was a mystery to me as it didn't match Cont'ls then engine ID designations ( the C400 number would seem to mean it was one of the C400 series---originally used in the Continental Beacon 4s as the C400 33/8x4 and possibly developed into the later C 4cyl's---C4113, PC113 3x4; C4124 3x43/8; C4140 33/16x43/8, C4143, PC143 33/8x4, all of which took the same set of gaskets listed, mostly with C400etc OE numbers, in a 1938 Victor gasket catalog (12 gaskets listed, one of the 12 listed for Divco only).. Somewhere here I've got a list of what else used the original C400; I'll post them later if I can find it. The "automotive" (ie, car/truck/eqpmt) 4113, 4124, 4140 and 4143, and the stand-alone power units PC113 and PC143 are possible candidates for the same water pump (post in ag/eqpmt/const/etc sites as well as engine sites) Cont'ls then engine designations ran "automotive" C4113", "industrial" (everything else except stand-alone power units) would be C113; stand-alone power units would be P113 or P+ another letter-113, as in PC143 above.
  15. Yes, that looks/sounds like it, altho I don't expect much from 240 pgs (but will get a copy anyway!!)...
  16. Does the Engineer's Book give adjustments for whether re-using existing fasteners (nuts, studs) as opposed to new ones, and/or whether fasteners tyhreads cleaned (wire brushed, whatever) and/or "oiled" or dry???
  17. 1) Have you been able to positively ID your engine??? 2) Have you been posting around for a Delco per Laydens' info, to at least compare dimensions, mounting, etc, to see if it will at least go on?? (meshing correctly is a whole different question)... I'm assuming you have no starter at all now, just the empty mounting hole??? 3) Have you counted the teeth on the flywheel?? (you mark the flywheel, pull the plugs to make the engine easier to rotate, and count carefully) AND made a rough estimate of the tooth configuration?? AND measured the distance from the mounting to the flywheel teeth?? That's to be able to post for a 1922 period Cont'l six starter to fit a --- tooth flywheel with --- type teeth, with a --- hole mounting on -- inch centers with teeth --- inches from mounting (specify measuring from outside of mounting or inside), AND specify where starter located on your engine. There're lots more Cont'l starters out there than 1922 Elcars; you could get lucky...
  18. NO, that's not the Cont'l book---that's a pathetic little 6x9 pamphlet of 23---count 'em---23 pages mostly of the kind of info in any Motors Manual. It does have some tech info, but very basic. I paid like $5-7 for mine; a big disappointment even at that price. I believe the book is "Continental, It's Engines And People" or something like that (copies may come up on Google???---not Googlebooks, but copies for sale) Comments I've seen haven't been definitive as to how much/what kind of engine tech info is in it... STRETCH---post an inquiry on the Antq Car/Trk forum at smokstak, something like "Need Y-400 Info From Cont'l Engine Co Book"; hopefully whoever there has the copy will respond...
  19. Someone on the stak has a copy of the Continental book; if I made a note I can't find it... Copies are few and far between; believe the last i saw for sale somewhere (abebooks?? alibris??) was $50+, as far out of my league as the Wauk Production Book (no. WEHS does not sell copies)...
  20. I still don't have any real info on the Y400 I have a 1946 McQ-Norris ring catalog that lists the Y400 (23/4), the Y69 (21/2), Y91 (27/8) and Y112 (33/16) (the complete Y- 4 cyl series, as far as I know), all on separate lines. There've been questions as to whether the "Y-400" actually existed as some parts numbers for the others are Y-400etc... I do not have a bearing or valve catalog that lists all of them; the elusive Y-400 isn't listed in most of mine at all...... A 51 Fed-Mog bearing catalog lists the 69, 91 and 112 taking the same rod inserts and replacement rods, showing the rod forging #Y400D-401 (one bearing/rod set for #1,3; a different rod/brg set for #2,4, the difference some kind of Fed-Mog bearing material (not size) difference, but all rods same forging #) That catalog shows different mains---one set for 69 and 91, different set for 112. If you're not familiar with then Cont'l terminology, they had a weird/wonderful?? system for the same engine, like:: "automotive" Y4091; Ind'l Y91; stand-alone power unit PY91 and P-410 (no, I don't know of a reliable comparison list)...
  21. The "Reliability Run" mentioned was sponsored by the then Cleveland News, and was in the last few days of July 1910...Googling the reliability run brings up a Plain Dealer newspaper archive that lists several such pieces but requires subscription... Apparently everyone and his cousin were organizing reliability runs to sell cars etc, so no way to tell if "our" Gabriel run included and, if so, whether any specs on cars entered listed...
  22. Library has responded---Golden Wheels has no specs/engine info; does say 32 cars entered in the Cleveland News Reliability Run of July 1910, and, as reported, the Gabriel did finish with a perfect score---but so did 17 others of the starters... No mention of what the grading curve was...
  23. Well, Gabriel is listed on page 124 of Golden Wheels, but that's all Googlebooks has; the downtown pub lib here does have a ref copy, and they're gonna let me know, in a few days, what pg 124 says (I'd rather take a beating than go downtown)...
  24. Contact at Monte's is Garrad (Gerry/Jerry) Moon...they've reportedly moved out to northwest of chicago but emails same: garradmoon@montes@flash.net montesequipment.com Others have remarked Monte's has little if any tech ID info prior to 1920--or was it 1930??---but by all means do call...you can also try P A Ross Machinery in Dallas, sometimes mentioned as helpful with old Cont'ls, and I do recall one post saying they were helpful with an engine Monte's couldn't ID...parossmachinery.com) More to the point, has anyone: (1) contacted Richard Rosenthal, Tucson, 520-977-1771, listed as contact (seller/?buyer?) on the HCCA report of sale of the sole ?? 1912 Gabriel car on 8-20-14, to see what engine is in it?? (2) checked Richard Wager's book "Golden Wheels" (Cleveland/NE Ohio auto m'f'r's 1892-1932)??? Everyone loves a mystery...
  25. I missed this one in 2014---I have no RB600 or AB600 for Cont'ls either, not that that means much...my own guess--repeat, guess-- is that theyr'e casting numbers rather than engine model designations... There was an early Cont'l "A", a 4cyl 4" bore, and an early Cont'l "R", 4 cyl 41/4 bore (those listings, in a 1917 ring catalog with dates ranging from 09 to 1917, gives no dates for the Cont'l engines), which could easily be coincidences... I have no listings for Gabriel cars as such; a couple of period catalogs list several Gabriel trucks 1919-21 with Buda engines (Buda had no AB/RB600 engines I know of), but an interesting point came up... My only other Gabriel listing is in a 1917 ring catalog, which lists Gabriel trucks 1910-17; Std Cat says cars produces 1910-12, that n 1913 prod switched to trucks...both Mroz and Georgano (truck ref books) list Gabriel trucks 1913-1920 and 1912-19, respectively, which raises the question: are the 1910-11 and maybe 1912 listings actually the cars??? ALSFARMS: If you're still there, did you ever ID your engine??? HUDSON33: D'you know what your engine came out of?? Will try to do a little more digging...
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