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Every time I run across one of these dual/twin ign threads I mean to start noting the differing designs---dist and mag, two dist's, plugs on both sides of engine, 90 or 45 or other degrees, etc., I think I've still got a Wauk 145 manual which, IIRC, show dual plugs on one side, one vertically over the other!!... Forgot the Mcfarlan, and I'm sure many others, had triple ign... Didn't note, and can't recall now, the larger industrials with 4 plus per cyl, etc... There's probably a definitive book somewhere on such system, that I probably can't afford...
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Battery I.D. Needed
Bud Tierney replied to hddennis's topic in British Other - MG, Triumph, Jaguar, etc.
What?? Assuming your battery tech's advice is correct, if that's the only problem, why not get some of that thick asphalt/whatever roof/chimney connection leak sealer (or asphalt driveway repair??), carefully pack arouind terminals where they come out of case, plunk on a thin felt "anti-corrosion" washer (to cover your amateurish work) and Voila!!---all sealed up??? -
Yes, eyeballing more, did find a few 1111XXX in 6s; very few 1111XXX distributors in the 88 catalog (mostly 78-88, spotty on earlier)...includes some comm'l/ind'l, but not comprehensive on any... (Later addition) Welllll, did find it listed in a 93??? ("FIS-93" ) Std Ign Parts catalog, and it was under Hercs...but, unfortunately, lumped in with various engines using various dist's, like: G-339, GO 226 and 339A, HKE, JXC, JXD5, JXE3, JXLD5 (L=long stroke version of JXD) using Dist #s 649L, 1111807, 824, 880, 899 and 1112601...., plus, worse: QXB, QXC5, QXD3, QXLD3, RXC, RXCM, RXLD, TXC, TXD, WXC3, WXLC3, WXLCO3, using dist #s 449, 449H, 1110139, 198, 408 and 581; 1111706, 783, 807, 818, 824, 825, 870 and 876; and 1112566...(no years listed in this catalog) I have no idea of how to interpret such listings... With sympathy, Bud
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Should've thought to add that dual ign also used on numerous "industrial" engines used in stand-alone installations, particularly sites where only checked once a day, if that often, to increase reliability of operation...
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Well, as I assume you've found, the Delco site sez they're 'obsolete" (big help)... It does show in a DR dist parts list in a 1956 Filko truck/bus catalog, but didn't see it eyeballing dist's in the makes listings... Are they 4, 6, 8 cyl??? Hmmm...intersting:1988 Delco catalog completely skips 1111XXX in the numerical listings, but there are 1111XXX listed in the makes listings...mostly? all? 8cyl??...
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FWIW--- (1) AL # IGE 4027 does show in an AL dist parts list in a 1956 Filko Truck/Bus catalog, but not, as far as i could see eyeballing, in the makes lists...(don't believe catalog listed any military models despite covering WWII period)... (2) Various other IGEs with 40XX numbers appear for Cont'ls in Brockways and in other Hercs in an Oshkosh... (3) As mentioned above, I would agree probably in some dual ign emergency vehicles, and I'd post your find to fire truck etc sites....don't despair, some fire truck collectors restorers are as deep pocketed as V12 auto owners...(ALF had a V12, but it seems to've used DR per that catalog)... (4) the Herc HX was a series, running fron HXA 43/4 x 6 thru HXE 53/4x6 and HXL (don't have b/s for that one) with somw variations thrown in.. (5) AL distributor lists at hand run IGA thru E, IGH, IGJ thru M, IGO and P, IGR thru T, and IGW (1956 lists).
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Early T head Wisconsin 4 Cylinder 5-3/4" x 7" information Wanted
Bud Tierney replied to alsfarms's topic in Technical
On locating a running Wisc "M"... The only water-cooled Wisc info I have is two pages from a 1948 Thompson "manual" (pamphlet) listing engines up to 6cyl 63/8x7=1340...it no longer listed the original M As yours is at the low end of this larger range, I'd post around to sites likely to include eqpmt and engines for irrigation, oilfield/municipal pumping, ditching, dredging and such, not to find an actual operating engine but to reach people likely to've noticed one in a museum or display vehicle...like: HCEA--I don't understand why their forum gets so little traffic, but it's free... stripmine if it's still going... all Cat sites you can find any US site that includes larger stationaries; there's also a good UK stationary engine site, and the Euros are famous for keeping old engines going after they've been largely forgotten on this side... -
Early T head Wisconsin 4 Cylinder 5-3/4" x 7" information Wanted
Bud Tierney replied to alsfarms's topic in Technical
Sorry, can't help on ser #s Not many of my old parts catalogs even list Seagrave, but some that do list they also used Cont'ls, Hercs, a Reo and even a Ford V8... That original M also shows up in a 1924-33 Yuba (Yuba Ball??) 25-40 tractor, probably rarer than your fire truck.. I seem to recall Terry mentioning his "P" was primarily used as a marine engine; if so, you might consider sites like oldmarinewengine.com for help..;.l -
Sorrry, can't answer that one, but the Buick forum people here certainly can.
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Early T head Wisconsin 4 Cylinder 5-3/4" x 7" information Wanted
Bud Tierney replied to alsfarms's topic in Technical
Lots of people used Wisconsin water cooled engines, but not many ordinary over the road trucks used the old original "M"...too big... First, you'll want to contact Terry Harper, who's rebuiding (literally) a Wisc "P", which just might --repeat, MIGHT--be the 6 cyl version of your engine... Interestingly, a 1917 ring catalog, set up by ring size, listing under each size what used that size, has a small 53/4 bore using 1/4" rings section---listing the Wisc M and P, Ahrens-Fox, Boyd, J J Schneer and Seagrave Fire Apparatus models... Parts catalogs, of course, are never complete; a lot of truck companies get into fire vehicles...started a list once but don't know where it is, if I still have it... Terry posts on smokstak (Multi-Cyl Power Units forum, I think) under tharper, and on practicalmachinist.com under terry harper. If you can't get thru to him via those forums let me know... OOPS----when looking for parts/advice/sympathy do not confuse your "M" 4cyl with a later series of 6 cyl Ms=M1. M2. M3. M4 with 6"stroke and smaller bores... -
FWIW, a 36 King products catalog (includes tie rod sockets and intermediate rods, king bolts/bushings) lists no matching numbers in the Buick and Nash tie rod tables...Buick models 1930-36, Nash 29-36 listed... HOWEVER: Parts catalogs seldom cover every model of every make... If nothing turns up you might try also posting in the two makes forums...
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There are antique/vintage lock and key collectors; I should think there'd be websites/forums for them under "antique lock collectors" or "padlock collectors" or such...they should be able to identify a number of padlocks from your period or immediately prior that would likely've been used on your unit......
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Early 1900's Continental TH Engine
Bud Tierney replied to a topic in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell
AAARRRGGGGHH!!!----CORRECTION---the "K" is 41/4, NOT 41/8 (the 'senior" refers to my age, not my experience, and it's late here for me).. So if 3092 has a tag, it should have 41/4 in the "date" section, NOT 41/8... -
I think---repeat, THINK---this may be an E4 41/2 bore engine; if the tag agrees (the "F" actually being a poorly struck "E") the "date" 41/2 is actually the bore......
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Early 1900's Continental TH Engine
Bud Tierney replied to a topic in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell
I believe the "41/2"on 14793 is the bore, not a date code... I think---repeat, THINK---that 3092 is a a Cont'l "K" 41/8 bore, ASSUMING it's tag is similar to your other Cont'l (14793 F4)...if so, it will probably have 41/8 stamped in the "date" space on the tag... Would you also examine that tag on 14793 carefully, to see if it could be an "E" poorly struck rather than an "F"??? I have an "F", but it's shown as 41/8, not the 41/2 on the pictured tag....there is an "E/E4" (both, if actually two engines--see note following) listed as 41/2 bore, which leads me to think---repeat, THINK---14793 is an" E", aka" E4"... NOTE: Some Cont'l designations, on the early single-letter engines, added "4", apparently to designate "4 cyl", such as the "E" sometimes being stamped "E4"... NOTE: a 1930 catalog lists the E4 engine as "solid head", no removeable cylinder heads -
Early 1900's Continental TH Engine
Bud Tierney replied to a topic in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell
Is there a tag on that engine showing "TH" and/or b/s?? I find no "TH" on my Cont'l list (not that I pretend it's anywhere near complete, or probably ever could be, Cont'l being innovative, to say the least, with designationa)... A 1917 Burd ring catalog, seemingly fairly comprehensive, lists over 50 engines/variations, including: (1) Two "T" engines, 5 and 51/4 bores... (2) An "H" as a 43/4 bore (3) I seem to recall at least an occasional older Cont'l designation with a/an/the number first and then the engine model, in which case it might designate a "K", listed as 41/4 bore... Various other catalogs, up to 1930, a couple seemingly fairly comprehensive, one listing over 100 engines/variations, list no "TH"... Unfortunately, these catalogs don't show stroke, years intoduced or valve location/type... Any enlightenment would be appreciated; many thxx!! Bud -
Gasketstogo is a sponson on the smokstak forum; you should find past customers there--there's an antique car/truck forum if you scroll down aways... For a second source, for comparioson, olsonsgaskets.com, Port Orchard, is generally well spoken of... I believe there're other obsolete gaslet suppliers/fabricators in the "vendors and restoration services" section of justoldtrucks.com...
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Please Help Fill Out My Early (PRE 1930) US Auto V8 List
Bud Tierney replied to Bud Tierney's topic in General Discussion
OZ: Yes, it looks like Daniels kept at it until they were satisfied; a pity they couldn't convince the public... ALSO: picked up a couple more early V8 references: GHENT V8, 1917, Ghent Motor Co, Chicago and Ottawa, IL, 1916-18. I assume one of the proprietary V8s, but couldn't turn up anything ID'd which one...one squib said total production (4s,6s,8s) about 187 cars... ROCHE V8 , Los angeles, 1924-25...per Std Cat Clifton Roche, a designer of engines and front wheel drive, has a prototype car built which he apparently drove around trying to find angels/m'f'r's, with no luck...he'd patented his engine, a two-stroke, but I haven't run the patent down or Googled for more info... -
Please Help Fill Out My Early (PRE 1930) US Auto V8 List
Bud Tierney replied to Bud Tierney's topic in General Discussion
Picked up a couple more from old Std Cat notes: APPLE 1915-16...nothing in classiccar database (CCD)or carfolio (CF); amer-auto'bls has mention, ad for Eight. Did find question in one of the trade journals from "owner of 1915 Apple with Perkins motor", prsumably the V8, but didn't say which Perkins V8... ECLIPSE 1916 Std cat just off handedly mentions 7-pass models with either 40HP 4 or a V8; lists the Model 45 7-pass with 45HP 8; also notes company literature mentioned truck, motorcycle and boat m'f'g, but Mroz US Trucks has no mention. Nothing in CCD , CF above; A-A'bles has no mention. Before doing lot of unnecessary Googling, does anyone have any old car books or references that mention eithor of these and/or any info as to their V8s??? Found a V8 production list in Motor World Wholesale, Vol 62-63, stating the number of 8 cyl cars as none in 1913-14, 8 in 1915, 41 in 1916, 47 in 1917, 36 in 1918, 34 in 1919 and 29 in 1920. That seems too high for makes; sounds like they counted all models available...I saw another such list, that I can't find in my remaining notes, that seemed lower... -
Pete: Many thxx foir reply...member on smokstak had copy of Cont'l book, advised it mentioned the V12 as being developed for Pathfinder, but gave no other info, no pic, no mention of any production... Apparently was never produced: Davis never marketed any 12, and Pathfinder instead used the existing Weidley V12.
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Owner of a copy replied on smokstak: book mentions, saying intended for the Pathfinder, a luxury car of the period, but apparently died aborning, as book has no pic and no mention of prototypes or production.
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Please see my request for info in the general forum. Many thxx!! Bud
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Does anyone here have the Continental Engines book, and, if so, does it say anything about the Twin Six V12 apparently intended to be offered to the trade in 1915-16??? Both the Davis car and the Pathfinder published ads promising the Cont'l V12 would be available in their cars for the 1916 model year; Std Cat states Davis promised a V12 but never "marketed one", while Pathfinder did market a V12 but used the Weidley... Both ads and trade journal entries stated specs were to be nade available "later", but one account did say it would be a 3x4 OHV, commenting that was unusual for Cont'l with their L-heads... I thought I'd seen a pic of it but when I went back all I could find was a small illus on the pathfinder ads.. My apologies for not putting this in the Cont'l engines forum; there's judt so much more exposure here for an obscure question... Any comments/illumination appreciated!!
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If you have a headlight relay you may be able to get the top off and clean all inside/outside contacts or repace if any available for less than astronomical price... Still not getting reply box until clicling on "more reply options"...
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Please Help Fill Out My Early (PRE 1930) US Auto V8 List
Bud Tierney replied to Bud Tierney's topic in General Discussion
Graham: Oops: attachments say Lycoming straight 8---the kicker's always in the fine print--many thxx for effort. Barry: My apologies: I completely missed your point. Thanks for clarifying. A couple more've turned up; one possible, one certain-- Coyote Special 1908-09 Redondo beach, Cal...while I have a note that motorera.com shows a V8, Std Cat just says "50 HP eight" and a couple others say straight 8, so neds more digging... Mitchell "Eight" 1916 only; a 3 x 51/8, listed as "own". Desc, however, sems to match the Buda 3 x 51/8 (the only V8, so far, with that odd b/s).... Couldn't post a direct reply despite logging in; had to punch "other ways to reply" (or whatever it said) to get reply box. Otherwise new system looks really nice.