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  1. A661: Does your Falls engine have a tag?? It's usually a 3x4 inch or so metal rectangle riveted to the block giving makers name, engine model designation, serial # and maybe b/s... A couple of my old engine parts catalogs are inconsistent---one says Falls T-8000, another indicates it could be Falls DT (both are shown as 6 cyl 31/8 bore)... I have A "D" on my Falls list, and a "T", but no DT...unfortunately my catalogs are inconsistent on Falls, listing several engines as 4cyl in one place and 6cyl in another... Many thxx for any illumination... Oh---my sympathy on the Falls engine: there are very few comments about them in the engines etc forums I follow... They also built little one-lung farm engines, and one Falls ad referred to 4, 6, 8 and 12 cyl engines for pleasure and commercial cars. I always meant to try to run down info on the 12 cyl......
  2. What?? No Reo experts?? Well, Wiki says light, fast truck for its day (logical, with logo like 'Speed Wagon" aka "Speedwagon"). My 49 Motor shows by models (like 1A4, 2D4 etc); does it have ID tag on firewall or inside cab/door mouldings anywhere?? Can say Texas bootleggers loved 'em (several "dry" counties then in Texas) as now deceased stepfather, in misspent youth days, ran liquor in one himself in Texas, said it was great fun.
  3. Tad's pic of the 51 Vagabond in his Monstrous spotters guide seems to show both rear doors of the vagabond open...is that correct??? My old 49 Vagabond had the spare mounted against the inside of the left rear door, which did not open...
  4. WAYNE: Vehicles I found using the 6Y and/or 6Y-7U combination are: Anderson ---41---23-25; Auburn---6-43---23-25 Barley---Light 6-50---22-25 Columbia---Light 6---22-24 Davis---70, 71, 72, 90??---22-26 Hanson---50---22-23 (6y only) Moon---6-40, Newport??----22-25 Star (as shown by Machinist Bill above)---no model listed---23-24 Others used the 7U up into 1927 per what I found. A 1936 King Products catalog (piston ass/bly, valves, bearings) shows a valve change in the 6Y at engine # 10500 (to #10500 and after #10500) It also shows rod insert bearings were then available to replace poured... JON: Found a couple ref's for the 10U Hertz---D1---1926-28 Yellow Cab---D1--1925-26...altho the Hertz listed as pass car, was probably also a cab since the model # the same...
  5. JON: My apologies for not including you as a Carb reference. I've seen your helpful comments on other threads, and will try to be more considerate in the future... The 10U is shown in 30 McCrd and 38 Victor gasket catalogs as being the same b/s as the 6Y-7U and using the some gaskets listed...other engine parts catalogs how some (but not all) parts mutuality between Early and Late 6Y, Early and Late 7U with 10U and the 7Z, apparently either all members of the same "family" or perhaps gradual upgrades/modifications of the same basic engine... As listed in the other Cardwell threads, I apparently eyeballed some of my older catalogs, but all I find now is what's in the two gasket catalogs mentioned... The 10U first shows up in the 1930 gasket catalog, as mentioned; of the parts catalogs I've indexed, up into 80s, last mention is in a 44/45 Sealed Power, which shows: Piston Ass'bly: no 6Y; late 7U (after 41897) sharing with 10U. 7Z and a 6W... Valves: late 6Y (after #10500) sharing with 7U, 7Z, 10U and that 6W... The 10U may well've been a very low production variant only listed because it shares some parts with the more popular models/variants. WAYNE: Out of time; will try to run down break for early/late 6Y and advise.
  6. If anything like you want was issued the profe$$ional auto literature dealers would have some; you might query them (the only one that comes to mind is autolit, who think highly of everything they have, but they have a monumental inventory)...if anything turned up, but was financially out of reach, you'd at least know what to look for... There are some on EBay, generally for later engines (N,Y,F etc) and specialty engines, but I didn't go thru the 400+ listings---lots of later TM and aero, plus Lincoln Cont'ls... There're pathetic little 6x9 24 or so page Op Manuals covering later L Heads, better than nothing, but don't know if issued for older models... On any inquiries remember the apparent 6Y/7U/10U connection; something on one of those (the 7U is probably the most likely, but I have no idea what the 10U went into, and it could well be the highest production of the three) could well be better than nothing again... I have nothing on Carbs; you might try, as a shot in the dark, McDonald Carb & Ign or Carbs Inc, who might have old carb ref books...
  7. A 1930 wrist pin catalog lists: Senior 6 1927...Cont. Spec....31/4 bore Senior 6, Victory 6, Std 6 1928-29...Cont...33/8 bore Truck, 2 Ton 1927-28...Cont. Spec...31/4 bore (apparently same as the 31/4 bore above). My 38 Victor catalog lists the above models, with others, in a confused format,with two engines: 31/4x41/2 and 33/8x41/2, and states "Cont'l 12M"... However, a Cont'l index therein lists "Dodge 12M, 14M".. If anyone has a Dodge engine history easily available, does it state which is the 12M and which the 14M, or what Cont'l ID used if not one of those stated?? I assume this's online somewhere, but've also assumed it's a FAQ well known among Dodge collectors. Any comments appreciated; many thxx!! Bud T.
  8. Does anyone out there know of, or've heard of, any online or other comprehensive list of Cont'l straight 8 engines and/or a list of the makes that used the straight 8s?? I find various lists, but nothing specifically breaking out or ID'ing the straight 8s. If anyone has a copy of the company history book, does it have a good list (or any substantial mention??) of the straight 8s??? From my old parts catalogs, so far I find: 8P/8PA; 8S/8SA; 9JA, 9K, 9KA; 10S; 12K, 12Z; 13K; 14K, 14S; 15K, 15S; 16S, 17S, 18S, and 21S in that numbering system... There's also an R800, not Cont'ls usual numbering system, but there are a few such "even hundred" numbers, possibly a power unit or pure industrial engine?? And K8344 and K8372, apparently built exclusively for Gray Marine. As my catalogs are primarily truck with fair coverage of tractors, some Ag/Ind'l and Marine, but poor on everything else, I'm sure that list is far from compete. I haven't reconciled what b/s info I can find, but it appears there were no more than half a dozen or so basic engines... For makes using I have Blackhawk/Stutz, Davis, Diana, DuPont, Elcar, Gray marine, Graham-Paige (and probably later Graham) Henney, Jordan, Kleiber truck, Locomobile, Mercer, Meteor, Moon/Windsor/White Prince, Peerless, Reo, Ruxton. S&S/Sayers & Scoville, Ward LaFrance, Willys and World truck. Any comments appreciated; many thxx!! Bud T.
  9. Wayne: (1) Post any/all ID info on your mag; if none, a good pic or pix...then: If nothing turns up here re' mag info, advice and/or sympathy, as the case may be, post your mag ID/pix and appeal for help in any one of the old tractor/old Ag eqpmt sites, as most older units used various mags...(smokstak, ytmag come to mind)... (2) At first glance, the 6Y doesn't seem to've been all that popular, and may've---repeat, may've---been quickly replaced by the 7U...like, f'rinstance: Anderson 1923 Coach 6Y; Anderson 1924 (no ID) 7U Auburn 6-43 1923 6Y; 6-43 1924 7U Columbia Light Six 22-23 6Y; 1924 var models named by letters 7U Other makes are simply listed 6Y-7U with only a range of years (Barley 22-24 6Y, 7U)...... A 30 valve catalog lists valves for 6Y, with a separate listing for a different valve for "late 6Y, 7U and 7Z"... A 30 McCord catalog lists the 6Y, 7U and 10U as all 31/8x41/4, using the same nine gaskets listed...(the 10U isn't listed in several other period catalogs)... Auburn is the only relatively familiar name, but I'd be surprised if any of this period Auburns came with a mag, unless dual ign and/or also equipped with a gen etc for electric start......
  10. Ken: Got your emails... Replied (that I couldn't help) but reply got kicked back as junk mail, so've tried sending copy direct. With sympathy, Bud T
  11. Got your email--thxx for heads-up... Interesting about the Dayton-Crusader---Std Cat refers to Dayton with a Spacke. I understand Spacke did not build a 4 inline (please correct me if that's wrong) whereas the German Wiki shows the 1914 Dayton CycleCar with a 4cyl inline... Then under Crusader (the Dayton became the Crusader) Std Cat says "...refinements were made...to take it out of the Cyclecar category. The four cylinder engine remained the same..." Didn't have time to do any digging for more info... Also couldn't bring the engine tag up clear enough on my set to read the engine model...pls adv what it says... Haven't been back into the M-P Co; perhaps time to do a little more digging...
  12. Sigh: finally thought to doubleclick on tag picture to blow up; it does look like "C4".. Per a 1930 McCord gasket catalog the C4 is a solid head=no removable cylinder head=apparently issued in two bores: 33/4 and 41/8, stroke on both 51/4. A fairly popular truck engine per makes used in, but I have no prod info so don't know how many actually produced... Eyeballing a 1930 wrist pin catalog quickly picks up a dozen or more makes listings, every one the 41/8 bore, but don't know if that'd hold true across the board... A 32 engine parts catalog shows little commonality with other Cont'l Cs of the period; contact info for Monte's and P A Ross should be earlier in this thread...Good luck.
  13. You have indeed come up with a "rara avis"--- Mroz's US Truck Ency says built 1920-21 by New Orleans Mtr Trk Mfg Co (all spelled out) in 11/2, 21/2 and 31/2 ton tons, the 11/2 with 3 speed trans, the others with 4 speeds.. Wheelbases were 144, 156 and 164 inches... Interestingly, Mroz refers to Herc engines, a different one in each size, but many of these "assembled" cars/trucks were built with whatever the buyer wanted...if you're close to a decent pub lib they should have a ref copy and/or a ref copy of Georgano's World Trucks book (the big one with histories, not the little one with just names/adds's)... Can't quite make out stamped numbers etc on the engine tag on my set; pls adv all shown (looks like ser #, then C-1??---I have C, C2, C4, C6 on my Cont'l list, but no C-1??)... With all due respect to 1912S above, the space with 41/8 is usually the bore/stroke, in that order, in which case it would be the stroke that was 41/8; HOWEVER, at least one of the Cs on my list shows in old catalogs as 41/8 bore... Fascinating....pls adv further... You might also generate more replies by making this a wholly new thread in the Cont'l engine or Truck forums here, and I'd suggest also posting on the old truck forums aths, justoldtrucks and the old car/truck forum on smokstak for more coverage...
  14. On the motorcycle question, particularly a mountain bike, I'm not surprised at rotation, considering the extreme torque... Our old jalopies seldom had that kind of power, so never experienced that problem, and now most collector cars are just not driven that hard... When changing tires, often centered tube by partially inflating, deflating while stressing valve, maybe having to bounce, as mentioned above... In downsizing, just sold my old MWard armstrong bead breaker; think I bought it in 1970 or so; haven't used it in 15-20 yrs. Felt like selling an old friend..
  15. If you have to get into them again, since you didn't know to powder the tubes to avoid them sticking to the tires, after breaking the beads away from the rim, you should have enough slack to get your fingertips on the inside of the tire enough to push the tube loose so you don't risk pinching a hole in it from catching the tube with your tire iron... Certainly never thought changing tube tires would be in danger of become a lost art... Some new tubes used to come already powdered...
  16. jjd52: Many thxx for gracious reply...my personal interest is completely academic, my fickle curiosity piqued by someone on one of these old engine forums trying to ID an L-head/flathead 4cyl engine in a 1917 truck... The only question I would have would be is if H-S engines left the factory with any kind of ID for repairmen and such, usually one of three types: (a) a "tag", usually a 3x4 inch or so metal piece affixed to the block, stating maker, engine model, bore/stroke and serial #; ( some info, often engine model and serial #, stamped somewhere on engine, often on a polished "boss"; © some kind of H-S logo/ID mark cast, embossed or stamped into the block (of course, if the engine had "Hershell-Spillman" cast/embossed on it, that would be a dead giveaway)... In partial recompense, if it would be of interest for your archives i could forward my own list of H-S engines (made from my old replacement engine parts catalogs), the catalog etc reference the listing appeared in, and/or my own list of vehicles that used H-S engines, made from the same sources, currently about 90 or so, with the engines listed under their names and sometimes approximate dates (these old parts catalogs are always incomplete, and all too often contradictory, but, still, better than nothing)...
  17. If you have a Lycoming engine, please see my Lycoming Oil Pump question, posted yesterday in the General discussions forum. Many thxx!!
  18. One of the Lyc late 20s-early 30s truck engines, the CT 4cyl, used in some IH trucks and others, came with a potmetal or similar construction oil pump that tends to crack and expand in it's mounting, so that it's been known, in attempts to remove, to come out in pieces... (A) If you have any of THE OTHER 4cyl "C" ENGINE LINE---C, CE, CF, CH,CU, C4--series, and maybe more---OR ( If you have ANY period Lyc engine, and you've had your engine apart enough to see the oil pump, would you advise if it looked like potmetal or similar, or had visible cracks or deterioration?? IT WOULD APPEAR this disintegrating oil pump problem is limited to the CT and/or possibly other "C" engines, simply because there's no general mentions of Lyc oil pump problems...any comments appreciated. many thxx!! Bud
  19. Saw your bump---assume it means your starter search not going smoothly (yes, bad joke!)... Don't recall seeing your inquiry on other old car/truck/engine sites I follow... Have you been able to positively ID which Cont'l engine you have??...if not, what cast/embossed/stamped numbers/letters can you find on your engine??? Have you tried any of the professional obsolete Ign/starter/gen dealers??...if not, try (1) jason@aerrebuild.com (Advanced Elec Rebuilders) (2) click on "sponsors" at the top of the page on smokstak; I believe there's at least one ign outfit--if no help may have suggestions to contact Will check to ses if the 7R is listed with any trucks...
  20. Many thxx for replies---yes, I noted the 4-litre on one of the websites in some cursory Googling... It was just academic curiosity on my part; I hadn't been in these before, and I find I have contradictory info in what info I do have, as well as not having a complete 8 and/or 8 b/s list... Per what I have, the 27/8x43/4s would appear to be the closest, but while my info indicates some of these 27/8s innards may be different, the blocks may well be the same...
  21. I'm not familiar with Cont'l 8s---do we know which one was used, or are all the Cont'l 8 blocks interchangeable??
  22. It's my impression the side-drafts were primarily a Brit-Euro thing...perhaps you'd get an ID on one of the UK-Continent sites??
  23. Haven't found anything further on the 4-6cyl question, so will assume just period catalog typos/misinformation---many of these catalog printers cribbed from each other, perpetuating errors... The brief H-Sp history I found said their engines were in 60 or so makes; I'm up to around 90, and I'm sure that's far from complete...
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