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  1. Bought a copy of Standard Catalog Of V-8 Engines 1906-2002, John Gunnell, awhile back. A major disappointment re' early V8s, it should be named "Std Cat Of Mainline V-8 Engines", having 279 pgs for major makes and only eight---count 'em---eight pages for everything else... (A) Is there any better reference re' or including the other more obscure early V8s ?? ( Ran across a Davis V8 (1915) the other day I'd never heard of...Davis (Milw WI) was apparently primarily an Industrial Engine builder, a 1915 ad listing 2 and 4 Cyl hor-opp engines, and 4 Cyl verticals from 21/2x4 (cyclecar??) to 5x61/2. Don't know if their V8 got into cars or trucks (or even into serial production) but don't recall seeing the name in trucks or Ag. Any comments appreciated! Many thxx!!
  2. R32: Many thxx for time and effort---if that 31 is a 4spd it's a candidate... Bruce at ATHS has found a very good match in the 1925 Dyke's---the Selden Pacemaker 11/4Ton (no typo) which matches except the engine's listed a "OX" rather than "O" , both apparently 4x5s... Have several catalog listings for the 24-25 Pacemakers with the "O", and one with both "O" and "OX"; later models (some overlap) had an array of Cont'ls (S4, 7R, 8R, 15C and 16C, as far as I looked)...old parts catalogs often don't agree)... Latest post re' details of the Pacemaker find is on "Mystery Truck ID" thread, Antq Auto/Trk forun, smokstak (never learned to link)... Do your posts mean you had 1922 and 1926 Dyke's/other source to check, or did you check other years and found nothing likely?? (covering 1920-29 should pretty well settle ID...hopefully.).. Again, many thxx! Oops--my 1919 and 1920 Power Wagon specs don't show any 31, altho only half B-L are ID'd; they show #25, #30 as 3spd, #35 and #50 as BOTH 3spd and 4 spd, #U50, 50-4 and 60 as 4spds...
  3. C'mon, Guys, Jon needs a little help here...there're better/more pix on justoldtrucks, and it could be a 20s Case Farm Truck, but they came with a Case tractor engine (unless engine replaced, of course)... This has a Herc "O", which should be 4x5 (and is a correct period engine) and a Brown-Lipe 4spd... (Jon: does the trans have "35" on it??)... Hercs were not popular truck engines thru the 20s, in only a small handful of makes thru 1929... Annual truck spec lists were published in Power Wagon, The Motor Truck, Commercial Car Journal, Dyke's Auto ency, etc...if anyone here has any copies thru the 20s (or a set that brings up the online lists clear enough to read) all we have to do is match the "O" with a B-L 4spd, easy with just a few Hercs to check...(Available, Chicago, Koehler, Stoughton, Vim seemed to like Hercs; others scattered thru other makes)... I have 1919-20 Power Wagon issues; no match in them, but almost all Hercs listed did use B-W 3 and 4spds... The Columbia's no help; as my 1919-20 specs show NO Columbia rear as OE, I assume they were aftermarket, unless they became OE after 1920...(dying of curiosity here)...
  4. FT: That 1" is a killer...have you considered: 741T---383/4 x 1 1/16 x 50 127T---391/2 x 29/32 x 46 174T---393/4 x 1 1/32 x 46 Oh, wait...oops, sorry...from 1950 catalog... (Sigh)...only one of the three shown in a 69 Dayco cross-index is the 127T=Dayco 971...
  5. Didn't have time to do any more digging but did find, misfiled in the LeRoi section of an old catalog, a page of 2C uses I'd apparently made up earlier... There were a number of cars, incl the Partin-Palmer #20 1914-17. Std Cat lists it 1915-17 as a 20HP, while Mroz listed the early Service 4 as a 22HP...close, but there were a number of small 4s built for "cyclecars" and "light cars" that could've been used... Other car, truck, tractor, Clark Eqpmt listings ran from 1915 to at least mid-20s, but most listings often omit any years (catalogs checked for the original list up thru 1933---some later catalogs apparently not checked, so may've been sold much later)... So it appears possible that the 2C might've been used in the "delivery" model; while one catalog listing for the Stewart 6-11/611 model 1919-21 with the 2C listed it as 3/4-11/2ton, I believe that a misprint as all other truck listings, including other Stewart listings, that specified tonnage, were all 1/2 to 3/4 ton... Was there some particular point that raised the possibility of your Service having a 2C???
  6. Ahhh, the site's notification of replies still working... Eyeballing a couple of my old catalogs just lists various Budas for Service, but my old catalogs are weak in the 'teens-early 20s, and old parts catalogs are notoriously incomplete.... Mroz mentions an early Service (1911-12) "...model A delivery vehicle..." (implying something like 1/2 to 3/4 ton) with an unidentified small 4 cyl, then goes to 1917 when the company was building 1 to 5 tonners, probably too heavy for a 2C...but it doesn't say whether the "delivery" was produced to 1916, possibly withing the 2C period, IF the 2C was available that early... I've never verified the 1915 or so Denby 3/4 ton with the 2C, but it's in a 1930 McCord gasket catalog, which should be fairly reliable, which makes the early Service "delivery" a possibility... A 1917 ring catalog lists various Service models, the smallest engine being 31/2 bore, while the 2C is 31/8... I'll eyeball a few other catalogs; while the 2C was primarily an Ag etc engine, it did get into a very few small trucks and one car, if I recall correctly...
  7. Christy: First, try getting the gen to "motor" as mentioned above; you can do that out of the car with additional wiring; if it doesn't "motor": Since you've got the gen off, shine a good light down into the open slits at the back of the gen (I'm assuming yours has slits in the gen housing anout 1/2" wide, and not the earlier type that had a light metal band, held together with a stovebolt screw, covering holes about 1" wide)...but, whichever: Look straight in; you should see the round coppery colored Commutator that's the back end of the armature (the revolving part inside)...it should be a fairly bright coppery color with horizontal lines along the axis (centerline) of the armature...the darker/dirtier it is, the less it can generate, and if quite discolored may prevent generating...if so, Google "cleaning generator armatures" or "cleaning generator commutators"...you can do that off the car but if on vehicle BE CAREFUL you don't lose pieces of cleaning piece inside... The "brushes" are not actual brushes, but little squares/rectangles of graphity material that gradually marks/discolors the commutator as they "ride" on the commutator, held against it by spring holders of innumerable types...they wear out by wearing down until not enough material is left to be pressed against the commutator to generate juice (or metal parts ride on commutator, scoring it)...there should be at least 1/4" "brush" left, if you can see them (new ones are only 3/4 to 1" or so long)... If commutator looks good try to shine the light to see the inside of the housing at the front end of the commutator; what you're looking for is a thin silvery line around the inside of the housing; if it's there it's called "slung solder" (slung from holding the armature wire windings to the commutator) and you need armature rewound, at least. If commutator needs cleaning, brushes look OK, no slung solder put it back on with clean commutator (or clean on car), BUT EVERY PLACE OF CONTACT MUST be bright clean (with file, emery, whatever) incl the gen mountings/bolts, the gen adjusting bolt/surface, every wire and connecting mount on gen and VR (many troubles are just old/subtly veneered/corroded contact surfaces, as set aout above) with good fan belt adjusted as above...and pray a little... Good fan belt: belts get old; they "glaze" (get shiny/slick/hardened surfaces where runs in pulleys, often more on sides than bottom) they get lifeless and stiff..SQUEALING is slipping belt--old/glazed/stiff/ causing slipping, unless it's water pump going out, trying to seize, about to shear off at pulley, sending rotating fan into radiator...oh, sorry, maybe it's just power steering pump about to go out, leaving you gong down the road, 50mph, with practically no steering......belt should look/feel flexible with dark rubbery color, difficult to pull through grasping hand... NOTE: do not grasp belt while on running engine...oh, and do try to get someone to walk you thru this...with sympathy, Bud
  8. The gen light on means no charge going into the battery to keep it charged up, and you're running on the charge that existed when recharging stopped--- Lights dim very bad sign (battery low); may not start to go home, but new batteries often "resurrect" enough to start after sitting awhile... If starts (or you have to get a jump) turn off everything elec you can on way home; if battery gets low enough you'll lose ignition (no spark to plugs=engine stops, you're stranded). If only transport can keep going by getting slow/trickle battery charger, (plugs into 110 outlet) and recharging overnight IF you don't have to use headlights a long time (ignition takes little juice) and IF only started to get to work and back). KEEP ELEC USE TO MINIMUM. As already mentioned, could well be simple problem easily fixed (hung brush, loose connection, commutator need polishing, etc ) BUT unless someone there experienced can walk you thru some eyeball shade tree checks and/or guide replacements, you pretty much at mercy of mechanics...replacement parts can be immediately burned out if any precise procedure required by your unit not followed...yes, diagnosis/replacement CAN be relatively simple, done it often in my earlier years, if you know what you're doing, and very $$$$$ if you don't...
  9. Always forget I have one of those...the "Pitt." engine/s Tad mentioned should be Pittsburgh Model Engine Co., Auburn IN, fmly Model Gas Engine Works, Peru, IN (Model engines)...
  10. A 1930 McCord gasket catalog lists a "Blackhawk Motor, 6, 1929-30, Passenger (Stutz) L6 33/8x41/2" (as that is a 1930 catalog the engine/car model may've been produced later as well)... The next entry is the "Blackhawk Motor, 8, Passenger (Stutz) L8 1929-30 referring to the Cont'l 16S... I should also say, re' my earlier facetious remark, that it'd be much nicer to see a Boat Tail Speedster (or any Stutz) running around with a temporary or permanent replacement engine rather than mouldering for who knows how long in the shop waiting for a possibly unobtainable correct engine...
  11. M101: Perhaps you should contact jwillie4-something thru site, as his 15S is part of the same "family" as your 16S, in case he heard of/ran across a complete engine... If yours is truly not repairable, I do hope you're not considering scrapping anything useable; everything about them seems to be turning into unobtainium...on that point: Years ago my brother and I were into old cars; we went separate ways, he joined Cadillac club . One day, years later, visiting, he looked at prospect. "Tom, that's a parts car!!" I said, but he shook his head. "You're out of touch; more people are in the hobby, cars are getting scarcer, and what used to be hopeless parts cars are now rebuilders". I do not know if the whole Cont'l 8 series were made to be drop-in fits for each other, as were some series of industrial engines... Put a Cont'l Six in a Boat Tail Speedster?? Surely you jest, Sir!!...Surely...
  12. Cont'l 8s are apparently becoming few and far between, if that numerous... Someone on here is trying to find a replacement block for a Cont'l 8 in a French? race car (can't find my notes) and jwilli4? here is looking for pistons and valve/spring sets for a 15S in a Jordan without much luck (and those parts are in several other Cont'l 8s, which would've ordinarily've made them easier to turn up)... Perhaps actual production numbers of the range of straight 8s were low, or they tended to thrash themselves apart??? After exiting most of automotive field Cont'l continued on to date making Truck/Industrial/Ag/Const Eqpmt etc engines, including innumerable 6s, as well as their longstanding Aero engines line.
  13. Years ago, Mother-In-Law got one of those-cheap-as owners couldn't get it running right, nor could anyone else in small town in New Mex, incl me with hours of shade tree tinkering (I'll never forget that !@#*&!! thing). She solved the problem by passing it on to someone who didn't care if it ran lousy-seem to recall it guzzled fuel, too.
  14. Per Mroz's US Trucks Ency: 1911-25...nice thumbnail, some pix, began with 3/4 delivery, later up to 5Ton ratings; did build some fire trucks, generally mostly another "assembled" truck. Built a "speed" model 3T in 1919 with the Hershell-Spillman V8; est total prod all models some 4500 or so... Listed in a number of my old parts catalogs, which could be that they tended to stay in service or that they simply used mostly popular engine models... Your pub lib should have copy of The Illus Ency Of Am'cn Tks & Comm'l Cars-Albert Mroz-or Georgano's World Trucks Book (the big one with thumbnails, not the little on with just names/adds's... Std Cat lists Samuel D. Rowe as designer of 5 Cyl air cooled engine he put in a prototype of an experimental car in 1908, which wasn't marketed,, when he "...contented himself with the manufacture of motors...". Another try in 1910 failed, so he switched to trucks. Nothing else is mentioned re' his 5Cyl air cooled or his other motors... Rowe Motor Co, Waynesboro, is listed under gasoline auto motor m'f'r's in a 1908 Trade Directory/Journal, apparently no other info.
  15. Turfcats are Jacobson (Jacobsen?) Turfcats, commercial lawn tractors-grounds keepers equipment, some models of which came with the Teledyne-Cont'l Renault engines with French (Ducellier??) ignition systems. Ign parts were, at the time, not carried by many local outlets, and there were various inquiries as to where to find them. Don't recall if I had confused the Cont'l-R Turfcats with their other air cooleds at the time, but easily could have; many thxx for heads-up.
  16. Touche!! I've got a copy of Tad's Monstrous Spotters Guide, never thought to look at it. Many thxx for effort.
  17. Templar m'f'd a smaller almost hand built luxury car and their own 4Cyl engine 1917-24...near their end they announced work has begun on a 6Cyl engine and that the 4Cyl would be continued. A few of my old parts catalogs do list a 1924 Templar 6, a couple listing (but not ID'ing) a Falls engine... Falls Motor Cptn was also circling the drain about this time, trying to get their straight 8 into production (it reportedly became the Buick 8)... Std Cat lists a 1924 Templar 6 model... David Buehler, the Lakewood Templar collector/guru, has extensive information, but so far nothing as to actually produced 6s; his registry lists no 6s, nor can he recall hearing of any... My assumption is Templar ran out of money; that if any 6s produced they were prototypes; that either Falls offered their off-the-shelf 6s to save themselves, or Templar, looking for low cost 6s, got an advantageous bid from by then desperate Falls (or both) but that no actual 6s were assembled before Receivership/Bkcy overcame Templar, or, at best, maybe a few for showing... So: does anyone here have any old car books or other sources that mention whether any Templar 6s were actually built and/or shown??? Numerous online reports mention 4s, but no auto show etc 6s; on the other hand, Google's become capricious...
  18. Looks like more 8 cyl Nash stuff...FWIW 36 King Prod Co (engine parts etc) catalog shows piston P111N fits NASH 31-32 880, 980 32-33 Std 8 1070, Spec 8 1170 33 Std 8 1130...that's a 3" bore 4 ring piston--2 1/8 Comp, 1 1/8 oil, 1 3/16 oil... King Prod catalog did not include rods... 51 Fed Mog brg catalog shows rod forging # 22598 (no "SH") for NASH 32 1070 (2nd Series) 33 1170
  19. Does anyone here have an email adds for David Beuhler, the Templar collector/expert/guru?? I have contacts for the museum that displays his collection, and his law firms, but no direct email... I do have his mailing adds, so can use US Mail if nothing turns up ... My old catalogs raise a question re' the Falls engine(s?) used or intended to be used in the 1924 (last years production of the Templar... This's also posted as a new question in the General forum here, and the Antq Auto forum on smokstak.
  20. Does anyone here have an email adds for David Buehler, the Templar collector/Guru?? I find email adds's for the museum in Lakewood, where his collection is displayed, email contact thru law firms, and his home adds, but no direct email... A couple of my old catalogs have raised a question re' the Falls engine used (or possibly intended to be used) in the 1924 model (last year of production)---was it one of the Falls 6 cyl's with four rings per piston (Templar's own 4 cyl used four rings) or possibly Falls' experimental straight 8 with three rings per cyl, or perhaps both--or perhaps just catalog misprints??? If no email known will rely on good 'ol US Mail...
  21. Sheesh!! picked up 32 King Prod catalog which I apparently hadn't indexed correctly and find engines G15, P, RI, S and SM, XE, in addition to above...time to go to bed...
  22. JON (1: many thxx for list---didn't have Saxon or Stephens on my list (in process)... (2) was Hensey misprint for Henney, or Pennsy? (don't find Hensey in Std Cat or Mroz's Truck book)...Pennsy in Std Cat/my catalogs doesn't list Falls, but they weak reeds to lean on... TERRY B + GENERAL---30 McCord gasket/38 Victor gasket catalogs only list (3) Falls 6cyl T8000 31/8x41/4 1923-25 (4) Falls 6cyls C, I, J, K, L, M, N, R, all also 31/8x41/4 1917-22 (different gaskets from T8000)...both show 6cyl en bloc OHV, not the cast in two sets of three per Sambarns original post above... There were engine changes in the T8000: cyl head gaskets for 1923-24 (apparently early 24), another for late 24 and 25...I haven't reconciled all my info, but one 6cyl apparently come with two different piston/ring/pin combinations; may've been an update... (5) so far have engines B, C, D, E?, F, F1, F2, F3, FR, G, G2, H, I J, K, L, M, N, R, T, TT, T8000, V, V11000, X9000, 1T and 4H, which could be the H 4cyl...(mixed 4s, 6s, no 8)... (6) so far makes Apperson, Burch Auto Sleigh, Colonial, Courier, Dort, Elgin, Farner, Fremont, Gardner, Gove (prototype), Grant, Halladay, Handley/Handley-Knight, Henney, Hollier, Kelsey, Maibohm car and 1/2ton, Michigan Buggy, Moon, Morris, Parenti, Premocar, Saxon, Scripps-Booth, Stephens, Templar, Velie, Washington... (7) 1925 ring catalog lists Templar 1924 Falls 8cyl 31/8 bore; 1933 Perfect Circle rings lists Templar 1924 with 31/8 bore and 24 1/8 rings (3x8=24, but so is 4x6, altho none of Falls engines in ring catalogs shows four ring piston...fascinating SAMBARN: at least one, and possibly two Premocar Falls engines are engines I have no gasket pictures for: the "H" and an unidentified engine; one could be your cast in pairs...
  23. Further comments re' Falls engines will be posted to "Falls Engines: Dort (etc)" thread started in this forum by Sambarn 4-22-14 to avoid duplication. Bud
  24. SAMBARN: Missed this thread when it first came on... If this thread is still alive, in your research into Falls did you find anything on a 12 cyl?? I've a note that Automobile Trade Jnl vol 14, #1 (omitted page #---googlebooks) has a Falls ad for "...motors for pleasure and commercial cars..." listing 4, 6, 8 and 12 cyl engines, but apparently no pix/specs... Have date noted as Jan 1916 or so, which sounds way too early for the 8, if it was supposed to be the 8 that was, reportedly, the predecessor of the Buick 8... I only have 4s and 6s on my Falls list, made up from listings in the Falls engine sections of old engine parts catalogs, and therefore not complete as to the auto/truck/tractor engines ...
  25. OOPS---remembered another catalog---1925 Perfect Circle rings---which shows "Falls DT-8000" for 1923-24 Series 27 Dort... Also shows Falls "H" 6cyl 31/8 bore for 1921-22 Premocar, Falls DT-8000 6cyl 31/8 bore for 23 Premocar...
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