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Bud Tierney

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  1. (1) Forgot Jim Tremble in Wash State was involved in rebuilding a CT in a Fageol tractor a tear or two ago (oops--Freudian slip??); he could tell you how smooth it was and/or whether they found any timing etc idiosyncrasies on theirs...he posts under his own name on smokstak...hit search, click on his name on any post and an email box will open... (2) per a 38 Victor gasket catalog looks like the 4cyl "C" series runs C, CE, CF, CH, CT, CU, CUWM (marine??) C4 and C4W; only other car listed is Elcar, but these listings are never complete... (3) If you draw a blank on other "C" series car owners
  2. Sounds like 1916 a bad year---EBay has lots of 1911-15, 1918 and 21 ads, but no 1916...even tried autolit (Walt Miller) out of curiosity. not that I'd be able to afford anything he has!==zero...
  3. If my catalogs are correct that should be a "CE" 3 11/16 bore... (1) Have you tried for other CE owners thru the Gardner club, to see how smooth those engines are when they're right?? (2) If no help, try (a) the Auburn people---the 1926 4-44 used a CF, another 3 11/16 in the Lyc "C" series... ( The oldihc people--IH used the C and the CT in the late 20s early 30s...lots of various Cs in trucks...is there a Stewart club??... (3) If by pulled down you mean apart, I would dearly love to know, if you do have any one of the Cs, if yours has the potmetal don't touch with a ten foot pole oil pump
  4. John Gunnell's Std Cat V8s says 1916 Pilot had a 3x51/8 289.8 V8, which matches up with the Buda DE/DEU... Now I find classiccardatabase lists the 1916 with a Perkins V8 of 31/8x41/2 (actually says "4", but HP/CID matches the 41/2) 245.44 CID... I understand none of the Pilot V8s are left (did they actually get into production and/or sold??)... I will check for ads on Googlebooks, but hoped some factory info might be available... I haven't found ANY installations of the Buda V8, but haven't searched exhaustively... Automobile Journal 2-15-1916 issue, with specs of 1916 cars, agrees with 3x51/8
  5. BEN: (1) Welcome to the quagmire---I first assumed, looking at engine stuff, that Teeter and Teetor were misspellings...later Kent posted about a legal? name change (maybe too many jokes about teeter-totter engines?.. There's a railway bicycle inspection "car" ad headed "Hartley Teeter", or maybe Hartley & Teeter? (with illus of two-seat and one seat "cars") at the bottom of which is Teeter-Hartley Motor Co...or was it Light Insp etc? Anyway, it's a mess...and then there's poor Hartley/Hardly etc...apparently in RR lingo anything that runs on rails is a "car"... (2) does your 4x6 have a
  6. I have a ref (danteblog?) saying T-Hs gas,gasoline and air comp line sold to Standard Company, Richmond, in 1908... In that context "gas" would be "gaseous" fuels, a desc ranging from NG to sewer gas... "Standard Company" would probably be Standard Pattern & M'f'g Co, Richmond, IN, which per Iron Age 4-29-09, p1372, had moved and was expanding its plant "Gasoline engines and air compressors will be added to the line"...don't follow farm type engines so didn't verify... KENT: Have you contacted Mike Shaffer, Knightstown, IN, who posted on smokstak he had an air cooled 1Cyl Light Insp Car c
  7. Kent: lost in all these T-H threads, but since all roads lead to Rome...trying to rebuild engine list to ID sources...slow... (1) on 2011 engine list posting find differences: 32 catalog shows AA as 33/4 H, H18, H19, 19H as 31/8...original emails lost in meltdown, probably my mistake... (2) conceptcars Am'cn U'slng has 1910 Traveler with 4Cyl 53/8x55/8 50Hp T-H...closely matches my list, but not original source as has no "only numbered "T" comment... (3) re' the story of the restorer restoring three Americans in return for one to keep, were those engines ever ID'd as to model, b/s??? (4) a 193
  8. (1) If I recall correctly, there's another piece of that War Dept claim in which T-H claims they were unable to perform only because, under the Wisc-T-H subcontract/agmt Wisc was to provide certain jigs (and patterns?), and that Wisc negligently or deliberately failed to provide them...this would appear to mean T-H never got into production. (2) Std Cat shows a Mercury, built in (if actually built) Belfast, NY., 1922, announced with a 4 and a 6, that apparently died that same year... There's also a Mercury industrial tractor, a smaller rubber tired unit if, again, I recall correctly, but don't
  9. Searched alfowners, did find I made a 2011 query, and did get a reply from a knowledgeable member that ALF used own engines (not a specific direct answer but obviously to the best of his knowledge).
  10. AArrrrgh!! Another senior moment!!! Yes, of course, Coker Tire's fire truck engine...from memory: Coker Tire was rebuilding the Marmon Wasp racer, which originally had a unique Marmon built t-head, long gone... Per their rebuilding website (profusely illus with pix of car and engine work, the last time I was in it) the closest engine they could find was in an old fire truck (one small pic then on site?), reportedly or supposedly an ALF Cosmopolitan model... Someone somewhere commented the engine looked like a T-H... Cokers computer had mine down as a spammer, blocked out; I would ordinarily've
  11. Greg: Well, they came close to the truck business---I ran across a 5-4-1918 squib re' a 31/2 Ton McFarlan truck, to be built by T-H with a T-H 6cyl, but Mroz (US Trk/Comm'l Veh Ency) says "...does not appear...made it past prototype stage..."... Interesting question as to how long T-H stayed in production of T-H tagged engines...(engine business sale referred to as in 1918)... Squib 1-1-20: T-H purchased 40K in machine tools in 1919... 7-1919: Incptn Ansteds US Aut/m'tve Corp (holding co with T-H et al as subsidiaries) with announcement 10-9-20 (10-4-20 stock offering) including that all sub's
  12. Might be helpful to know what it came off of or what you need it to go on...
  13. My Buda V8/Pilot?? thread turned into a T-H thread, so decided to start a new one under the correct name... I found a T-H file, apparently from 2007 when some then T-H posts piqued my fickle curiosity; included was a quite confused engine list... Unfortunately. in those years I seldom listed what websites said what, so I have a list of 25 or so engines/engine variations, many with b/s and many with conflicting b/s and/or question marks, obviously from differing online sources as none of my old catalogs has full b/s for any T-H engine (I have 5--count 'em, five--b/s combinations for the "T")...
  14. SCM: Just noticed your post...FWIW, have a bare-bones little Shurhit catalog: AS RB mentioned, 652D listed for 30-32 8 cyl Marmon (no model # listed), but it's listed WITH 658C, which, in turn, is also listed for the T68, N, N78 28-32 8 cyl 28-29 models...(those 28-29 models and also listed WITH 658M, 651A and D)...the catalog doesn't state whether options, production changes, single or dual ign. etc... That catalog lists 668E for 29-31 Pierce 8 and 660P for 32 Pierce 8 (no model #s listed)... Parts catalogs don't always agree... Do you know why the marine engines had different dist's from th
  15. I spoke too soon on "...no Buda 8 before 1930..."...upon review of 1917 ring catalog do find I'd missed the Buda DE, DEU 8 cyl, which a 1916 Horseless Carriage squib IDs as the V8... That 1917 catalog listing is the only one for any Buda 8 in my handful of 1930 and prior parts catalogs... Buda used that terminology repeatedly, (DE, DEU); I've not found anything specifically on the point, but most often mentioned opinion is that meant open or enclosed flywheels, but not which was which......
  16. VC: Many thxx for quick reply... Yes, quite true, except for one model in 1916... Std Cat US Cars shows one 8 cyl model 8-55, 55HP, in 1916, as related in the text thumbnail therein that the V8 only lasted that year...that much, at least, matches the one 1916 Pilot V8 in Gunnells Std Cat US V8s...but neither disclosed the m'f'r of the V8... The few of my engine parts catalogs that list Pilot agree they used Teetors approx 1916 to 20/21 with Hershell-Spillmans from 20/21 to dissolution, all 4s or 6s (altho a Rutenber 6 shows up, supposedly 1917-21 in the 6-45, perhaps an option)... I'm personal
  17. Various early 1915 trade magazines carried the 1915 introduction of the Buda V8 3x51/8... John Gunnells Std Cat V8s lists the 1916 Pilot as having a 3x51/8 V8, an unusual b/s... There isn't enough desc in the Std Cat to really compare with original announcements, altho the Pilot was water pumped while the original Buda was TS... Std Cat US Cars says most Pilot engines were Teetors... Did Teetor build a V8?? I've not made up a Teetor list as very few listings...or was this possibly the Buda with a water pump added?? Any illumination appreciated!! Many thxx!! Bud
  18. Bought a copy of Standard Catalog Of V-8 Engines 1906-2002, John Gunnell, awhile back. A major disappointment re' early V8s, it should be named "Std Cat Of Mainline V-8 Engines", having 279 pgs for major makes and only eight---count 'em---eight pages for everything else... (A) Is there any better reference re' or including the other more obscure early V8s ?? ( Ran across a Davis V8 (1915) the other day I'd never heard of...Davis (Milw WI) was apparently primarily an Industrial Engine builder, a 1915 ad listing 2 and 4 Cyl hor-opp engines, and 4 Cyl verticals from 21/2x4 (cyclecar??) to 5x61/
  19. R32: Many thxx for time and effort---if that 31 is a 4spd it's a candidate... Bruce at ATHS has found a very good match in the 1925 Dyke's---the Selden Pacemaker 11/4Ton (no typo) which matches except the engine's listed a "OX" rather than "O" , both apparently 4x5s... Have several catalog listings for the 24-25 Pacemakers with the "O", and one with both "O" and "OX"; later models (some overlap) had an array of Cont'ls (S4, 7R, 8R, 15C and 16C, as far as I looked)...old parts catalogs often don't agree)... Latest post re' details of the Pacemaker find is on "Mystery Truck ID" thread, Antq Aut
  20. C'mon, Guys, Jon needs a little help here...there're better/more pix on justoldtrucks, and it could be a 20s Case Farm Truck, but they came with a Case tractor engine (unless engine replaced, of course)... This has a Herc "O", which should be 4x5 (and is a correct period engine) and a Brown-Lipe 4spd... (Jon: does the trans have "35" on it??)... Hercs were not popular truck engines thru the 20s, in only a small handful of makes thru 1929... Annual truck spec lists were published in Power Wagon, The Motor Truck, Commercial Car Journal, Dyke's Auto ency, etc...if anyone here has any copies thru
  21. FT: That 1" is a killer...have you considered: 741T---383/4 x 1 1/16 x 50 127T---391/2 x 29/32 x 46 174T---393/4 x 1 1/32 x 46 Oh, wait...oops, sorry...from 1950 catalog... (Sigh)...only one of the three shown in a 69 Dayco cross-index is the 127T=Dayco 971...
  22. Didn't have time to do any more digging but did find, misfiled in the LeRoi section of an old catalog, a page of 2C uses I'd apparently made up earlier... There were a number of cars, incl the Partin-Palmer #20 1914-17. Std Cat lists it 1915-17 as a 20HP, while Mroz listed the early Service 4 as a 22HP...close, but there were a number of small 4s built for "cyclecars" and "light cars" that could've been used... Other car, truck, tractor, Clark Eqpmt listings ran from 1915 to at least mid-20s, but most listings often omit any years (catalogs checked for the original list up thru 1933---some lat
  23. Ahhh, the site's notification of replies still working... Eyeballing a couple of my old catalogs just lists various Budas for Service, but my old catalogs are weak in the 'teens-early 20s, and old parts catalogs are notoriously incomplete.... Mroz mentions an early Service (1911-12) "...model A delivery vehicle..." (implying something like 1/2 to 3/4 ton) with an unidentified small 4 cyl, then goes to 1917 when the company was building 1 to 5 tonners, probably too heavy for a 2C...but it doesn't say whether the "delivery" was produced to 1916, possibly withing the 2C period, IF the 2C was ava
  24. Christy: First, try getting the gen to "motor" as mentioned above; you can do that out of the car with additional wiring; if it doesn't "motor": Since you've got the gen off, shine a good light down into the open slits at the back of the gen (I'm assuming yours has slits in the gen housing anout 1/2" wide, and not the earlier type that had a light metal band, held together with a stovebolt screw, covering holes about 1" wide)...but, whichever: Look straight in; you should see the round coppery colored Commutator that's the back end of the armature (the revolving part inside)...it should be a
  25. The gen light on means no charge going into the battery to keep it charged up, and you're running on the charge that existed when recharging stopped--- Lights dim very bad sign (battery low); may not start to go home, but new batteries often "resurrect" enough to start after sitting awhile... If starts (or you have to get a jump) turn off everything elec you can on way home; if battery gets low enough you'll lose ignition (no spark to plugs=engine stops, you're stranded). If only transport can keep going by getting slow/trickle battery charger, (plugs into 110 outlet) and recharging overnight
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