Steve Moskowitz Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) HB 1203 JUST PASSED THE FULL HOUSE!!! YOM manufacturers plates goes to the senate. Make sure your senator is aware of your interest. Sailed though the house but the senate is where the struggle might be.In my haste to post this I did not give credit to AACA member Rep. John Lawrence for introducing this bill!! Thanks John! Edited June 27, 2011 by Steve Moskowitz (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVE A Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 That's great, maybe those 4 milk crates full of license plates will finally be worth something to someone!!! Might even be worth restoring the slightly rusty ones. Thanks for the update Steve!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4 bufords Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 i have 1962 plates on my 62 invicta,always getting asked how i cam use those plates.have to explaine that i can run yom plates.guy told me sunday that he has been stopped a few times for having 69 ct tags on his charger.4 bufords from ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oldie & Goodie Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Just picked up a set of NY 51' plates for our Roadmaster. Waiting for our DMV to issue our new registration. They really look nice, especially with the I LIKE IKE bumper sticker.Here' hoping your law makers do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vila Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I already have a set of 1933 PA plates ready for my 1933 Chevrolet and an PA original plate with the 1962 sticker for my 1962 Triumph TR4.I hope the Senate passes the bill so I can re-register them with the Year of Manufacture plates.I suggest PA residents email there senators and request their support on this bill.The Pennsylvania Senate - Senators Listed AlphabeticallyI noticed my Rep to the PA House was not a supporter of HR 1203 and my vote in the next election will show my support for her opponent.Visit my website at: Bob's Vintage CarsVila1933 Chevrolet1962 Triumph TR41984 BMW 633 CSi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durant frank Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I just emailed my Senator Tim Solobay. He replied that he was in favor of the bill and will support it.Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Here's the bill, should anyone care to check it out. You might emphasize in the note to your Senator that the $75 fee would be a money maker for the state which many collectors would gladly pay to display original plates on their antiques.Phil Edited June 28, 2011 by MochetVelo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 It is unclear to me if the $75 fee to use YOM plates will be in addition to the $75 fee for regular Antique plates or not. I also notice that this bill defines "occasional use" as 1 day per week. Do the current regulations have this restriction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I also notice that this bill defines "occasional use" as 1 day per week. Do the current regulations have this restriction?That was the restriction on antique plates in PA when I lived there 10-25 years ago. It was almost impossible to enforce. The only person I ever knew who got ticketed for exceeding it drove his car to work twice in a row, parking it in a restricted lot for state employees that was routinely patrolled by the local police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsfan Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I believe, from what I read, that the vehicle owner will have the choice of either a vintage plate that they provide, or a state issued plate. I read a fiscal analysis that said they were hoping the bill would save money because the state wouldn't have to manufacture as many plates.http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/FN/2011/0/HB1203P1598.pdfPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketraider Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Aren't some years PA plates actually shaped like the state? I know Tennessee did that for many years.Just hope that if YOM passes, you don't get a state legislator who, once it passes, will consider it his divine right to start monkeying with the statutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 PA looks rather like a license plate, and it's shape was outlined on our plates, but no longer.A 1958 PA plate:Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 For those who do switch to the YOM plates, many of the desirable and hard to obtain purple antique plates will be freed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellerc Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 If you presently have regular plates, would the title have to be exchanged for one branded "Antique" or will there be a special brand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 It is unclear to me if the $75 fee to use YOM plates will be in addition to the $75 fee for regular Antique plates or not. I also notice that this bill defines "occasional use" as 1 day per week. Do the current regulations have this restriction?Restorer,I checked the current "antique plate" regs a few weeks ago, and they are still defining "occasional use" as "not more than 1 day per week", if I am remembering correctly.In Maryland, where I last had vehicles tagged with "historic" tags, you could use the YOM plate, but had to have current (modern) historic plates registered to that car, and carried in the vehicle along with the current reigstration and insurance info.I support the YOM bill for PA, but that usage limitation is still off-putting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 If you presently have regular plates, would the title have to be exchanged for one branded "Antique" or will there be a special brand?A title is a title. Vehicle classifications are done through registrations and not titles. No differences between a new vehicle, car, truck or antique title. Those who have owned a vehicle a long time the older titles are larger than the new ones but contain the same info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklinman Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Unless things have changed recently, I believe you will find that if you're car is currently registered in PA as a "normal" registration and you change it over to "antique" you will get a new title. PA has "branded" titles and there is a code on the title showing that the car is an antique. You will pay the fee for the new title, along with the fee for the lifetime registration (i.e. good as long as you own the car). At least that's what the situation was the last time I went through it in PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 PA looks rather like a license plate, and it's shape was outlined on our plates, but no longer.A 1958 PA plate:PhilI have one of these on the front of my '61 Rambler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think PA used this same plate from 1958 to 1964. In '71, they removed the state outline on the tags.Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Unless things have changed an "Antique" branded title in PA does indeed differ from a "regular" title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vila Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Yes, PA has a Code box on the title where they place a letter code. A= Antique, C= Classic, D= Collectable, w= flood vehicle, x= taxi, etc, etc for all the other codes.When I originally bought my 1984 BMW I had regular plates on it, but when I met the 20 year requirement for the Classic plates they issued me a new title with a D code with the Classic plates. I can tell by the mileage shown on the title.Seems like an Antique car is an Antique by the title code, independent of whether it has an antique or vintage plate. They don't put "Flood tags" on flood vehicles or "Former Taxi" tags on former taxis, but I bet the governor will figure out a way to squeeze a few more bucks out of us by coming up with a new title code for vintage plates.I guess you pay the price.Visit my website at: Bob's Vintage CarsVila1933 Chevrolet1962 Triumph TR41984 BMW 633 CSi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I have one of these on the front of my '61 Rambler When I lived in PA I was told by a police officer that having a second plate number on the car is illegal, even an old one like this and even mounted in front like this. (We were looking at a car with an old plat on the front at the time.) You could be cited for it if a cop decides he wants to, although granted it would be a pretty picayune citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 When I lived in PA I was told by a police officer that having a second plate number on the car is illegal, even an old one like this and even mounted in front like this. (We were looking at a car with an old plat on the front at the time.) You could be cited for it if a cop decides he wants to, although granted it would be a pretty picayune citation.Well, whether or not it's "legal", there's an awful lot of folks that do it with their antiques.Even ones that have an ancient PA plate ( from the '40s or '50s ), perhaps from their very first car on the front bumper of their modern daily-drivers.I would hope that the local constabulary have much bigger fish to fry.Especially since PA is a "one-plate" state when it comes to vehicle tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Siegfried Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Unless things have changed recently, I believe you will find that if you're car is currently registered in PA as a "normal" registration and you change it over to "antique" you will get a new title. PA has "branded" titles and there is a code on the title showing that the car is an antique. You will pay the fee for the new title, along with the fee for the lifetime registration (i.e. good as long as you own the car). At least that's what the situation was the last time I went through it in PA.You are correct. Only one item to add. You can transfer your antique plate from one vehicle to another. I did this two years ago. And finally, Thanks to all involved in getting YOM in the state of Pa. Here's hoping it will pass through the senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Siegfried Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 When I lived in PA I was told by a police officer that having a second plate number on the car is illegal, even an old one like this and even mounted in front like this. (We were looking at a car with an old plat on the front at the time.) You could be cited for it if a cop decides he wants to, although granted it would be a pretty picayune citation.You are correct also. A former neighbor was a Pa. State Policeman, and he questioned my USA overseas plate on the front one of my cars. He stated that he'd probably give a warning, but watchout for the local guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I would hope that the local constabulary have much bigger fish to fry.I would certainly agree, but there are always a few grains of sand in the system.In the Pittsburgh area there was a particular patrolman in the southern suburb of Mt. Lebanon who was infamous in that area for picking on antique car violations. He is the guy who tagged an acquaintance of mine for hauling a picnic table in the bed of his antique registered '66 Ford pickup, which cost him over $600.00 20+ years ago. I also knew a guy with a street rod who got pulled over for hauling a picnic cooler in his roadster/pickup's bed. The cooler was even painted to match the truck! The only reason he got off on that one was because he opened the cooler and showed the cop his lunch!Personally I try never to give a jerk an excuse to reveal himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Siegfried Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Personally I try never to give a jerk an excuse to reveal himself.Dave, in the often quoted words of our generation 'RIGHT ON'!.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I guess there's less personal risk involved citing an antique car owner then there is in say, chasing-down drug dealers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 A title is a title. Vehicle classifications are done through registrations and not titles. No differences between a new vehicle, car, truck or antique title. Those who have owned a vehicle a long time the older titles are larger than the new ones but contain the same info. I finally had some time over the holiday to pull several titles and low and behold there is a “branded” column to select from. The titles are all the same except the little box that classifies / brands a vehicle. Learn something daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I finally had some time over the holiday to pull several titles and low and behold there is a “branded” column to select from. The titles are all the same except the little box that classifies / brands a vehicle. Learn something daily. Ron, if you look on the back of those titles you may find one other difference. "Newer" PA titles (probably those less than 50 years old) have 2 spaces for new owners to sign over the title when the car is purchased. Before that there was only one, and if the car was signed over to someone else (i.e. a used car dealer) you had to attach a notarized form for the second (& first) purchaser to sign.I had to do that with a 1960 Falcon I bought in 1980. Even then that form was almost impossible to find. The AAA where I transferred the title had to search the place, and when they did find one it was a 8th or 9th generation photocopy that looked like it was written in cyrillic characters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Dave, one car I have owned 37 years, the title is huge as compared to the newer ones. Many complain about the PA DMV but a few years ago I somehow lost 3 titles and had to fill out the paperwork for new ones. It was surprising easy and the lady at the window helped me fill out the forms. It took a total of 25 minutes for 3 new titles. <O:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Just received this from my Senator, Andrew Dinniman:Please know that I do support HB 1203 and will vote for it when it gets to the floor. The legislation is currently in the Senate Transportation Committee. In addition, you may want to consider writing to Senator John Rafferty, who represents a portion of Chester County and serves as chair of the committee, to encourage him to call the bill for a vote.Thank you,AndyPerhaps others may care to direct comments to Senator Rafferty. His email is jrafferty@pasen.govPhil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Siegfried Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Great news! I haven't heard back yet from my district senator. Hope he supports also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 6.5 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 For those who do switch to the YOM plates, many of the desirable and hard to obtain purple antique plates will be freed up. Does anyone know what this means?Are you saying that if I have an old purple plate that I'd like to put on my antique, I will now be permitted?If that's true, that would be great. I have one, and I would love to put it on my car. I refuse to put that new plate on my car. It is pathetic.Also, for plates that run 6 years, like the 64 - 70 plate, will the plate have to have the proper year's sticker on it, or could any plate from that era go on a car built in say, 1968?Still, nothing would beat a purple plate. I hope this can be explained further, as I haven't seen anything about this issue in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vila Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 6.5 with reference to Ron Green's comment. Not sure of his exact meaning, but if the bill passes I am planning on registering my 1933 Chevrolet with the YOM plate and moving my Purple plate to my 1984 BMW. The BMW is eligible for the purple Antique plate, but not for a YOM plate since the current bill YOM plates only go up to 1975. I currently have a white with purple lettering Classic plate on the Bimmer and want to go the the Antique Historic plate on it.That said, the purple plate will be freed up to use on one of my other cars.I hate the look of the newer White PA Antique plate with that funky looking antique car on it.Vila1933 Chevrolet1962 Triumph TR41984 BMW 633 CSi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 o " We called on HB 1203 and found out that the head of the transportation committee is Senator John Rafferty and the only way to get this bill going is to put pressure on the Senator so we are asking all PA antique car owners to either write, e-mail or call the good senator and ask him to move this bill and get it passed. His address is: Senate <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box</st1:Street> 203044</st1:address> / <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Harrisburg</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17120-3044</st1:PostalCode></st1:place>. His email is jrafferty@pasen.gov and his phone is 717-787-1398." this was received by us this week and more from John Lawrence who wrote the bill: My advice for anyone contacting any elected official on any matter in any format would be as follows:* Be polite* Give your name and contact information* Know what bill you want to talk about and why you are for or against it* Ask for a replyAs long as people abide by these, they should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Does anyone know what this means?Are you saying that if I have an old purple plate that I'd like to put on my antique, I will now be permitted?If that's true, that would be great. I have one, and I would love to put it on my car. I refuse to put that new plate on my car. It is pathetic.Also, for plates that run 6 years, like the 64 - 70 plate, will the plate have to have the proper year's sticker on it, or could any plate from that era go on a car built in say, 1968?Still, nothing would beat a purple plate. I hope this can be explained further, as I haven't seen anything about this issue in a while.Fairly simple. If you have a “purple” plate and want to go to a YOM plate you could transfer the “purple” plate to another vehicle as mention in the post above, or you could save it or sell / transfer it. Of course all pending on the bill being passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Fairly simple. If you have a “purple” plate and want to go to a YOM plate you could transfer the “purple” plate to another vehicle as mention in the post above, or you could save it or sell / transfer it. Of course all pending on the bill being passed. I wouldn't count on that. Here in Ohio when a YOM plate is assigned to a car it still retains it's antique plate as well, which must be carried in the car at all times. If the car had no plate to begin with, or is newly registered as an antique, it is assigned a new antique plate that must be carried. The YOM plate mearly acts as a cross-reference to the "real" registration for the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Perhaps a petition could be created and sent to Sen. Rafferty should the bill not be brought up for vote. It could also be forwarded to all the PA AACA chapters (and similar clubs) to be signed at their upcoming meetings and events, including Hershey.Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklinman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 The big question here is "what reason(s) does the senator have for not releasing the bill for a vote?". Is is a part of some legistlation package containing other things that he does not support, or is his objection strictly to this bill? Once we know that it may become easier to address the matter. Anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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