Rear window clip installation

[Zack209]

I was wondering if anyone knows how to install the rear window clips on a 64 rivi as I was driving I think the old one busted out because my chrome trim piece started hanging of instead of sitting flush. Any help would be appreciated 

[Jim Cannon]

Look at the Body section of your shop manual to see how the window trim clips work. You slip a little tool up under the trim to release the trim from the clip.

 

The clip itself on a 1963 model is held to the window frame with a small phillps head screw. The clips are spring steel and they do rust/break.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Jim Cannon (see edit history)

[Zack209]

Thank you Jim I appreciate the help I’ll give it a look.

[Chasander]

If I remember right there’s a hole in clip for the screw. I’m thinking glass needs to be removed to replace. 

[1965rivgs]

  The 63 models may or may not be an exception to the following but originally there were welded studs which the clips attached to. the studs rust out along with the window pinch weld. The repair method is via a shouldered screw as mentioned.

Tom

[Chasander]

My 63 used screw. My 66 skylark had studs

[gungeey]

Looks like a lot of silicon and putty under there which might be a hint at a surprise lurking underneath. Hopefully not.

[1965rivgs]

On 11/7/2021 at 4:46 PM, Jim Cannon said:

Look at the Body section of your shop manual to see how the window trim clips work. You slip a little tool up under the trim to release the trim from the clip.

 

The clip itself is held to the window frame with a small phillps head screw. The clips are spring steel and they do rust/break.

Jim,

  Yet another distinction between the `63 and later model Rivs.

Tom 

[telriv]

Most ALL GM vehicles from the period originally had studs welded to the channel. Now I'm going back to the early/mid sixties about this. I was doing much glass work back in the day & I NEVER saw any screws. NOT from the factory.

 

Tom T.

[Chasander]

Well all I can say is mine had screws all the way around. The new clips I used had just a hole for a screw and no provision to slide on to a stud. 

[RivNut]

I know that my '64 had/has screws.  I had to replace the entire right side of the roof around the window.  The left side, top, and bottom, have holes for sheet metal screws.  

[Chasander]

Also notice the clips for 63,64,65 Jim at best offer counts sells has the holes for screws. 

[RivNut]

If you know the exact size, here's your choices from Mr. G's Enterprises

https://mrgusa.com/fasteners/

 

Scroll down until you find the PDF file for Windshield Molding Clips - the files are in page order, look for pages 60- 62  If you know the TPI, screw in studs are at the bottom of page 62.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by RivNut (see edit history)

[NailheadBob]

The master parts book shows: Clip,back window reveal moulding part # 4877297 for 1963-1965 Riviera (screw type), as Jim listed, I hope this helps. and RivNut.

 

 

Bob

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[60FlatTop]

These shoulder screws are available through a few vendors on Ebay. I bought some for my '64 Riviera to replace the original nails. I may not use them but I will see.

 

The thickness of the glass puts them, a drill bit, or a screwdriver dangerously close to the glass. I didn't realize it when I installed the new windshield. My safest option is to remove the glass, put the screws in new holes close to the old, and reinstall, what I want to do.

 

My body work advisor recommends I use a technique preferred by Volvo for similar trim that uses modern adhesive. As usual, if I ask for advice I should take it. Maybe the best idea is to buy a second set of stainless, glue my originals in, and let Murphy's Law protect me from losing an original. "If I have a spare I will never need it".

 

[arnulfo de l.a.]

LOL! “ If i have a spare I will never need it “ Aint that the truth!

[lrlforfun]

OK Riviera People: Part #8583  from  Clipsandfasteners.com. Package of 100 for $14 plus tax and the ride.  They fit the windshield too as well as many other GM's of this era.  A direct replacement for GM #4533699. Made by Aaveco, a good outfit. 

 

Pull the moldings off, pull the glass if you know how, clean the crap out of the channel and pray.....for no rust holes. Mitch

[1965rivgs]

11 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

These shoulder screws are available through a few vendors on Ebay. I bought some for my '64 Riviera to replace the original nails. I may not use them but I will see.

 

The thickness of the glass puts them, a drill bit, or a screwdriver dangerously close to the glass. I didn't realize it when I installed the new windshield. My safest option is to remove the glass, put the screws in new holes close to the old, and reinstall, what I want to do.

 

My body work advisor recommends I use a technique preferred by Volvo for similar trim that uses modern adhesive. As usual, if I ask for advice I should take it. Maybe the best idea is to buy a second set of stainless, glue my originals in, and let Murphy's Law protect me from losing an original. "If I have a spare I will never need it".

 

Bernie,

  When you refer to "nails" on your `64 did you originally have screws or welded studs?

Thanks,

Tom

 

[1965rivgs]

  Interesting thread, just a couple of observations and more info...

  I wouldnt refer to parts which are available in the aftermarket as evidence of originality.

  Nor would I completely depend on multi-year GM parts books, as the parts are frequently homolagated which can be deceiving regarding originality... but it IS a step in the right direction. I prefer to use the single year parts books which are issued in that model year and generally deal only with that model year.

  Also referring to GM parts books, whenever I see a reference to a "type", as in this case, "screw in type", that indicates to me there were more than one single type or version.

  I have a `65 CA parts car which I am slowly dismantling, so, considering there is very little rust/corrosion, even in the rear window channel, I thought it would be a good source of the original rear window molding attachment method; as opposed to a car which may have been restored in this area and may not still be original. There are welded studs around the perimeter of the window in the window channel which accept the pictured clips. This is consistent with the dozens of `65 rear windows Ive worked on over the years.

  Looking at the pictured clip, the clip pushes over the stud via the backside slot and locks onto the stud via the square shaped "lock" on the front side of the clip.

  I suspect the attachment method evolved from `63, which is the first year GM started gluing the glass onto the pinchweld, and `65, in which a welded stud was utilized.

Tom Mooney

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[EmTee]

9 hours ago, 1965rivgs said:

I suspect the attachment method evolved from `63, which is the first year GM started gluing the glass onto the pinchweld...

 

That makes sense to me.  GM may have wanted to wait and see how the clip arrangement worked before committing to tooling necessary for the welded studs, which would presumably reduce the production labor required.  GM ultimately adopted the welded stud type attachment for a host of moldings, including exterior body side moldings.  I believe they replaced the earlier spring-type molding clips that snapped into holes in the side body panels because when used with nylon molding clips, there was no damage to the finish (as when the metal clip chips the paint at the edge of the hole).

 

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