mike6024 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 This is on Facebook Marketplace, with no price or additional information. The seller's name is Paul Hollidge. I could send a message to the fellow asking for his phone number if anyone wants, assuming someone who doesn't use Facebook has some interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearheadengineer Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Interesting car. I have never seen a Moyer. Looks like it’s big. Is the body actually full wood? Are there any other pics in the ad? I’m not a buyer, but I would like to learn more about it, just out of curiosity. - John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 Only 3 pictures. Yes it looks big. I don't think they sell cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I am almost positive I saw this car about fifty years ago when I was first getting involved with some Horseless Carriage crowd! A very rare car, owner lived just outside Hayward at that time. It was a beautiful car then, and looks like it has been well cared for since. A mutual friend wanted me to see it at the time because it was one you wouldn't likely ever see another. Wish I could be in the market for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Huston Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Gee, I wonder what something like this cost these days. No price leaves me to ponder what is cheaper a V12 Pierce or a Moyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 "no hills too steep, no sand too deep, all roads are level for a Moyer!" -folks were just talking about these cars over on another thread recently. Seems like lately they're coming out of the wood work. Speaking of that the body on this car is really cool. Moyer was a premium carriage maker I guess doing something like that would be old hat for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 Isn't that funny, Wayne must have seen it fifty years ago. there are very few of them. In 1995 one sold at auction for $51,750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mark Huston said: Gee, I wonder what something like this cost these days. No price leaves me to ponder what is cheaper a V12 Pierce or a Moyer? I wonder in particular how they compare to a Cunningham only because they were both luxury carriage makers operating so close geographically to one another. I can't image they could build anything that would have rivaled Cunningham levels of quality but it would be interesting to compare the two. I wonder why their business model failed shortly after switching over to autos where as Cunningham held on a little while longer. I would assume because the later continued to supply their niche market for the funeral trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg171352 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 What is the asking price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 7 hours ago, rg171352 said: What is the asking price? This may answer your question: No price is listed on the Facebook ad, apparently. On 9/24/2021 at 3:20 PM, mike6024 said: This is on Facebook Marketplace, with no price or additional information.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude Light Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) Interestingly, the engine features full-pressure lubrication which is pretty early for that innovation. He is asking $50,000. https://video-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.3356-2/243081133_4482801225096274_8457848196940148532_n.mp4/video-1632619148.mp4?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=060d78&_nc_ohc=qwVScmhw_WAAX_4qvdN&vabr=2593632&_nc_ht=video-ort2-2.xx&oh=9a5155ae871f80d1158b02114386c33b&oe=61510598&dl=1 Edited September 26, 2021 by Stude Light (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 The massive 525 cu. in. T head motor fills the space under the long hood and looks as though it is capable of propelling a ten ton truck. Cast iron cylinders, cast in pairs, are bolted to the sturdy aluminum crankcase and the 2½ inch diameter valves are accessible through large removable plugs screwed in the top of the castings. Slip joints are provided in the exhaust manifold to allow for expansion due to heating. A gear driven oil pump supplies eight pounds pressure to the hollow, drop forged steel crankshaft for rods and mains. Small tubes fastened to the outside of the rods feed oil to the wrist pins. All moving parts were balanced to one hundredth part of an ounce to improve reliability, increase power and reduce vibration. The Carter carburetor is water-heated for improved vaporation although the water can be shut off if desired. Ignition is provided by a German Mea high tension magneto. The Mea magneto is trunion-mounted which permits ignition to be retarded for starting without changing the internal timing of the magneto. Since the E gap does not change, the spark is as strong at retard as it is at full advance for any given speed. A leather faced cone clutch which has 16 springs for smooth engagement transmits power to the rugged, separately mounted Brown and Lipe three speed transmission via a short shaft having two universal joints. An open drive shaft with two Spicer universal joints carries torque from the transmission to the rear axle. In lieu of a flywheel is a 24 volt electric starter having the same weight and diameter of a flywheel. The starting motor serves as a generator when the engine is running. http://www.carsandracingstuff.com/library/articles/18993.php 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doug 845 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I wonder if the engine was replaced? 1913 was the first year of the 6 cylinder for Moyer, but this 1913 still has a 4 cylinder engine. Was the 6 cylinder an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude Light Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 For 1913, both engines were offered. The 5 passenger Model E had the 32hp 4 cylinder and the 7 passenger Model G had the 49hp 6 cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 The six would be worth two to three times the value of the four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg171352 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 10:33 PM, John_S_in_Penna said: This may answer your question: No price is listed on the Facebook ad, apparently. I was hoping that the op could fill us in, considering no further information was provided such as a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 I will send the seller your phone number if you are seriously interested. i don't think the seller wants to be bothered by a bunch of looky loos. or if you are on facebook you can just look it up in martinez, california. i am figuring you do not use Facebook. if you want you can send me your number by private message and i will forward it to the seller. I can do that. i did not volunteer to relay a bunch of questipons back and forth, nor do I assume responsibility for getting all answers anyone wants. I will put you directly in touch if you like. that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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