MrEarl Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) FINALLY getting around to sharing the build of a long time dream with y'all, my Buick Sales and Service Garage. The build started about two years after I retired and I had completed about half of the honeydew list that just seemed to keep getting longer. I have always had a thing for old Buick dealerships, especially those of the 50's but more especially the very early one's of the 20's and 30's. Many early car dealers came from the ranks of men involved in the horse related trades such as carriage sales, livery stable operators and blacksmiths. These merchants and tradesmen often engaged in automobile sales and services as sidelines and eventually turned their operations into full scale auto sales and service businesses. Many of the early dealerships also served as a gas station and garage. The materials used on the fronts of the early buildings were usually wood lap, vertical board and batten or metal siding. Later buildings were more of a masonry type construction. My build is basically a 40X40X12 ft pole barn with a lap siding stepped false front that was typical on 1920-30's era car dealership/service garages. There will also be a 12 x 20 metal clad interior wall welding shed on the back. The building will be used to house and work on my collection of '54's, the '38 and the '79 wagon. I initially considered building a 40-50's art deco style building but since my wife and I have spent the last 30 years building our Victorian farm house style home, barns and gardens, we decided to stay with that general theme. Here's our home, the old Buick Barn and the cobblestone well house. Before jumping into telling about and showing the actual work that has been going on over the last few couple years, let me try and set the mood for the build with some old photos of buildings of the period. Here is what I first considered, but totally not in the style of the rest of our buildings. These represent more the spirit or feel of what we like. And here is a video that I think might help capture and set the mood. I'll be sharing a few of my favorite tunes through out this build so if you want, click on it then come back here and read on ...... or ignore it. And my most liked and the one I used as a basis for the front false facade of my build. Edited June 12, 2023 by MrEarl update title (see edit history) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 And here is a graph paper sketch of my planned build. That’s all the designing or plans I will work from. The same way I have built the other two barns. I did do a full rendering of the house though as Rita didn't trust that I could get it all right by sketching on a paper bag. I would like to see it drawn up with some of the fancy on line design programs but gave a couple a shot and saw right quick that by the time I figured out how to use them I could have the building built. I will probably sketch up some interior renderings for layout of a couple of walls and work- stations but nothing fancy. I’ll share those as I do them. The sketch is roughly 1in/5ft. I made a change to the height from what is shown there. I decided after drawing to go with a 5/12 pitch roof so I could have a decent amount of vaulted ceiling in the garage part. The wall height is 12 ft but the front 12 ft of the inside will be office area with a flat ceiling. This sketch is drawn to a 4/12 pitch so the height of the building will be increased about 20 inches. I don't think that will upset the width to height ratio/scale of the looks of the building that much. Scale is one of the most important factors in building and landscaping. I'll just adjust each step accordingly. The front will have what I call a brow of 5 ft supported by L shaped brackets And here is the site before start of clearing and grading. You can see the small orchard, a chicken coupe and a lot of the old emu/goat/Buick parts sheds that will get demolished to make way for the build. I've drawn in the footprint of the new 40X40. (nts) My dream is to have the field out in front of it covered in Buick's some day, not necessarily mine mind ya, but maybe a big BCA Forum Party. And then the site after grading with silt fence and temporary grassing started. Let me go ahead and get this out of the way. The county does not require inspections for agricultural buildings such as pole barns etc. The only inspection that will be required will be an electrical prior to service being installed. So that is why I am able to begin the build and plan/design as I go. I designed and drew up the house and the barns. We had the house framed up, wired, plumbed and the masonry chimney built but my wife and I did the porches, most of the siding and interior (except sheet rock, I DONT DO SHEETROCK!!!). There is a lot of salvaged heart pine, architectural pieces etc inside the house that I spent years pulling out of old houses. I singlehandedly built the other two barns and other farm buildings, but all that was when we were a few years younger. I will be 68 soon and have slowed down just a bit, but I think I still have what it takes to do this one. Have found that balance is one of the first things to go so may not be skipping along rafters and floor joists like I use to. Here is the view from the back porch. And some pictures of some fencing, sheds and outbuildings that had to come down. I really hated to see the ol chicken coop go but got kinda tired of black snakes eating the eggs and raccoon and foxes helping themselves to the hens. These sheds started life as emu sheds then when they flew south were used for breeder South African Boer and New Zealand Kiko meat goats. Goats were fairly profitable, the emu, not so much. Best way I could figure to get the shed roofs on the trailer was to sacrifice the posts by incorporating hinges in them so they could be lowered gingerly down on the trailer. Well maybe not so gingerly after all. I was so shook up after it hit the trailer like a ton of bricks I forgot to take a picture of it on the trailer as proof that it did work. The OSHA Safety inspector was on hand to insure no one got maimed or killed. After the fencing and sheds were down, we piled the rest of the posts and debris into a big pile and had a celebratory bonfire. Celebrating all the past work that had gone into the farming of emu, goats and chickens and the future work of building the BS&S Garage. Out with the old, in with the new... hopefully the next bonfire will be the scraps left over from the new build. And what a hot fire it was... All that was left of all the years of work were ashes. The pins and string line were a foot below grade of the planned building elevation. Calculated it would take about 35 tandem loads of fill. We will see... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 Time for another song. Ol' Guy Clark, may he rest in peace, one of the greatest song writers of all time. Stuff That Works After cleaning up all the fencing and sheds it was time to start grading. Called on a retired grading contractor friend who still had his two main machines, a Cat 953 loader and a small Kumatsu dozer. He also has an old laser with a receiver mounted to his blade and could easily get grade to within a quarter to half inch. I had already shot a rough topo with my old World War ll Gurley transit I have had for over 40 years. There was about 4.5 ft difference in elevation from one end of the site to the other. So I knew that it was going to take roughly 450 cubic yards of fill ie about 40 tandem loads of good Georgia red clay. Had to move a couple pieces of old iron out of the way before grading began. THEN is was time to start with cutting off and saving the top soil and then the sloping of the top bank then the fill. My ol Gurley gun, the transit I learned surveying on... I became an instrument man within about 2 weeks of being hired and cuttin line. My boss said I was the fastest learner on the instrument he had ever had. I told him "Beats the hell out of cuttin briars" We had 3 trucks running and installed the fill in 6 inch lifts all the way up. After each lift the dozer operator would simply lower the grade rod another 6 inches and level off to that. The clay was beautiful and had just the right amount of moisture to get good compaction. Each layer was rolled by loaded tandems weighing about 40K. The fill went in great with never any pumping. The big old twin Post Oak will be off the back of the garage. The first day Rita and I went out to start the lay out, we used it to orient the whole building and grounds. Can't have an old garage without a shade tree out back. Care was taken through out the grading not to harm a root or limb of it. The building itself nor the back concrete pad is within the drip line of the tree but there will be some car traffic over the roots. To make the grade of the drive work with the elevation of the garage I had 3 tandem loads of #4 stone (3-4 inch) brought in and spread to about 24 inched deep within the drip line to allow "some" air and water to the roots and prevent compaction from being driven over. As I didn't want the clay fill to act as a dam below the stone, I laid some 8 inch drainage pipe and made an aggregate drainage line down the hill to help drain the stone. After all was said and done, it took 58 loads of fill plus some from a bank in a nearby pasture I decided to cut down some in order to save on cost of fill. The difference from the originally calculated 40 loads came in when I decided to run the building pad level on out to 8 ft vs the originally planned 4 and to make the slope 3/1 vs 2/1. I plan to relocate my orchard of apple, pear and plum trees on the slopes. (No peaches, too much spraying involved) The finished grade and top soil piles and views from the house. You can see my old friend Hawkeye, the red tail hawk, flying over checking to make sure we were on grade. And with that.. Break Time! Chili is on the stove. Hope y'all are enjoying the read. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Can’t wait for the next posting! I’m glad you took the time to show the inspirational pics. I wonder how many people that go through this process take the time and make the effort to search their soul for a personal design. I fear that what we really want hardly or poorly competes with economics and “standard packages”. It takes lot of courage to start a project like this. You didn’t mention utilities yet but it’s something you had to figure out early. I had a Woody Guthrie moment or two reading and listening. It’s real stuff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Lamar, I got tired just reading all about what you have done so far. You know I told you about the Reno Buick Company being reborn. I got a great start on restoring my 25 year old shop building. I am going to follow your lead here and post photos next Spring of what I am doing up here in Doo Dah. I have heard and read about that Red Georgia dirt - I can say that I've seen it now. Good luck to you on this project and be careful. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from us to you all. Terry and Barbara Wiegand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50jetback Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) Love your work Mr Earl and looking forward to the next instalment. Are you going to have a customer waiting lounge like this at our local Perth Western Australia GM dealer circa 1929. I can see your visitors sucking on Gin and Tonic and a pith helmet would be a nice touch. Maybe some overhead belt drive machinery to manufacture those broken parts you don't have on the spare parts shelf ( not Buick of course - that would be Chev or Oldsmobile or probably Vauxhall which were handled by GM in Australia ). And a little test for you Mr Earl - can you identify the car ( make, year and model ) driving out of the IN door of the second photo? Edited December 16, 2017 by 50jetback (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 17 hours ago, JoelsBuicks said: Can’t wait for the next posting! I’m glad you took the time to show the inspirational pics. I wonder how many people that go through this process take the time and make the effort to search their soul for a personal design. I fear that what we really want hardly or poorly competes with economics and “standard packages”. It takes lot of courage to start a project like this. You didn’t mention utilities yet but it’s something you had to figure out early. I had a Woody Guthrie moment or two reading and listening. It’s real stuff! Thanks Joel!! Glad you're following. Appreciate your appreciation of my "personal design". Re" utilities. It will have it's own metered electrical and limited running water and gray water drainage. There will be an outhouse out back....way out back, next to the lilac bush. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 17 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said: Lamar, I got tired just reading all about what you have done so far. You know I told you about the Reno Buick Company being reborn. I got a great start on restoring my 25 year old shop building. I am going to follow your lead here and post photos next Spring of what I am doing up here in Doo Dah. I have heard and read about that Red Georgia dirt - I can say that I've seen it now. Good luck to you on this project and be careful. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from us to you all. Terry and Barbara Wiegand Thanks Terry and Barbara, Knowing what I know about what you have been doing lately, I'm not falling for your getting tired just reading. An old house and garage such as yours will keep you mobile and going, no question. Look forward to seeing your Reno Buick Co posts. Take a hint from me, post as you go, it gets difficult pulling it all up like I am doing. Hope you and Barb have a very Merry Christmas!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 10 hours ago, 50jetback said: Love your work Mr Earl and looking forward to the next instalment. Are you going to have a customer waiting lounge like this at our local Perth Western Australia GM dealer circa 1929. I can see your visitors sucking on Gin and Tonic and a pith helmet would be a nice touch. Maybe some overhead belt drive machinery to manufacture those broken parts you don't have on the spare parts shelf ( not Buick of course - that would be Chev or Oldsmobile or probably Vauxhall which were handled by GM in Australia ). And a little test for you Mr Earl - can you identify the car ( make, year and model ) driving out of the IN door of the second photo? Thanks for following Stuart. Will most certainly have a lounge with refreshments. I did consider an overhead belt driven fan system but will likely settle for ceiling fans. 'bout the best answer I can give on the car coming out the IN door is Buick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Did somebody mention Woody Guthrie? Have to be sorta careful what I pick of his multitude of songs, some a bit political ya know. An old Leadbelly song done a few years later by Woody. And I bet some of you thought The Animals wrote it. This Cedar was in the middle of the planned new roadway so had to go. Worth a shot at saving... Throughout my construction career my philosophy in digging up and trying to save trees has always been that "yea, diggin through the roots of a tree or filling a few inches over the roots of a tree "might" kill it, but I'm pretty sure a chain saw through the trunk of it, pretty much surely will!" Some bad news to report about this one, two years later, it didn't make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 another from Guy.... one of his more popular... After the initial grading was done, it set into raining and believe me, one does not want to try and bore holes in red Georgia clay. Sticks to the hole diggers and shovels and is slippy er than owl excrement. Plus if you try and pack it, it just moves and pumps. So I took advantage of the time and cool weather to continue acquiring materials. I have used materials salvaged from old houses to build our house as well as our other 2 barns. So I went to looking for some old buildings for this build and found one old feed mill that was fixing to be demolished and a couple of chicken houses already in the process of being. I was first to get in on the chicken houses so got first pick of all the tin and lumber. These houses were built 30 or so years ago and had lots of good solid yellow pine 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 and 2x10's and 2x12's in them. Most of it is straighter than new lumber if you order and have it delivered today. Some of it had signs of powder post beetle and the rafters had carpenter bee tunnels in the two feet of exposed but it is still structurally sound enough for what I plan to use it for. You have to look at it closely and cull and select for different uses. Much of it will be used for facing of the interior walls. There was a slough of short 6-8 ft long 2x6's that I will use for that. The longer 6's will be used for wall studs and the 10's for truss carriers and interior second floor beams and joists. I typically paid $1 each for the 4's and 6's and their lengths vary from 6-16 ft, and $3 for the 10's and 12's and their lengths vary from 12 to 18 ft. BUT, don't think it comes easy. There is a LOT of time spent pulling the boards and tin, pulling nails and stacking and restacking and restacking and restacking the boards. And did I mention there is a lot of time spent restacking the boards!!! And no matter how well you try and plan the stacks, the boards you need are always on the BOTTOM. Here is the old feed mill. And a double barrel corn shucker I uncovered in it. I have a single but have never even seen a double. The first chicken house I hit, got mainly corrugated tin off the sides and some beautiful patina tin off the roof. Also got 5-6 of these large fans at $10 each. As you can see this house had a neat air circulation system built in. The fans on either side of the house were turned off and on at different times of the day depending on where the sun was and which side of the house was shaded. I seriously considered using the system on my build but figured it would also suck in flies and mosquitoes. The Tools of Destruction, I absolutely love a mattock. SOOO many uses around the farm and a great demolition tool I ground the head of this cutter down both on the sides and the top arch so it would fit perfectly in the bottom of the corrugation and left hardly a mark on the tin. Isn't this some beautifully patinaed tin. 23 ft long. It will be used on the vaulted part of my ceiling. Some of the lumber I got out of this house V See what I mean about stackin. The board you need is always on the bottom. You use sticks in between and ensure there is space between each piece so it can breath and stay dry. As I stacked it I was spraying it down with a chlorox and water mix, put a fan on it for a couple weeks straight and dried it good before zipping it up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivman Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 A huge undertaking for sure!!! Looks like you are getting there with the prep and materials, and it looks like it will be a GREAT Buick Garage when complete! I am guessing you have made more progress and doing catch-up posting as you said, can’t wait to see what it turns out like. Is the desk pictured in this shot the one you mentioned would be in your “Garage Office” in your "1954 BUICK HEADQUARTERS" thread? Are you going to restore it to gray or match the Buick Engine Green tool box? Your project looks great, that's for sure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Lamar, you da man! I like the idea of a forum Buick party. Ben 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Thanks Randall, yes definitely playing catch up and rather enjoying looking back at what has been done. I often hear myself saying "I did that!!?? Glad to see someone paying enough attention to detail to spot that old tanker desk amongst my junk. That is one I pulled out of an old building many years ago. The top is toast and would be a tough restoration so my plans for it are to sit a piece of .25 steel plate and use it in the garage area of my shop. I have a couple more pretty nice ones that I will use in the office area, or at least one and probably sell the other. I'll see if I have pictures of them. a Big Thanks for following!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said: Lamar, you da man! I like the idea of a forum Buick party. Ben He he, me too. Maybe I should set a date for it thus giving me a goal for completion. How 'bout late April 2040. LOL JK, we'll see... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Forgot to mention, also decided to move a few pieces of old Buick iron (parts cars) whilst the loader was here. I had had the opportunity to get some free fill hauled in a couple years prior to this point, so had the grading guy level and compact it and make room for these cars which had been all in the way for years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Buick Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Build it, and they will come! Count me in, Lamar! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Here's the 2nd house I pulled tin and lumber from. Once all the inside insulation and tin is off and the side bracing is knocked down, it is a simple matter of either hooking a cable to the center center beams and pulling it over with a pick up truck or the we did this one was with 4 guys just started pushing and shaking on it and once gravity takes over it comes down like dominoes. The old pine posts were not treated other than having been dipped in tar before putting up so they typically just break off at the ground. Easy pickin once it is on the ground. And by the way, the houses were cleaned out of all the chicken litter years ago. And to answer the question before it is asked, no the BS&SG isn't going to smell like a chicken house when finished. (at least I hope not A I said earlier, I spray it all down with a Clorox and wate mix and will also spray for powder post and they will have had plenty of time to air out so lets hope not. Here is a neat tool the guy I bought the material from made popping the purlin's up off the rafters. I usually use a mattock but this works even better. Here are the rafters. Typically not many nails to deal with in them as I just cut the ends off above the birds mouth and at the other end and still end up with a good 13 ft board. There are staples on the bottom of the rafters from the insulation but I typically just hammer them in flush. The 2x4x12 purlins were of course full of nails though. Rafters were set on 3 ft centers so 2 nails ever 3 ft. For best production, just lay them down, nails all lined up and hammer them from one side turn them over and pull from the other side.... some nice clean $1 2x4's After about 6 hours, nice load of 4,6 and 10x's and the next days haul of 14 ft 6's A pile of the 4x6 rough cut posts. I'll use them to build work tables and shelves. The tin I will use on the exterior sides. I will use new tin on the roof. I passed on this pile as it is a bit too rusty Short 6's that I will use on the interior walls Tha's pretty much it for the salvage part for structural lumber. (Wait til you see what I found for interior walls). Will be posting the actual start of the BUILD next. Hope you enjoyed MrEarls way of acquiring building materials 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY F Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Great video and I love the old pictures. I enjoy all your build projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, GARY F said: Great video and I love the old pictures. I enjoy all your build projects. Thanks for the comment Gary. Glad you're following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 What a great combination of ability, resourcefulness, passion, and smarts! When I read about stacking and restacking, it reminded me of a stack of bricks I have that I have used for a couple of different projects. Right now they are restacked again behind my shed Carry on there fella! I’ll be reading! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Oh Lord, don't bring up bricks, it makes my fingers cramp up. I have cleaned mortar off literally thousands of old brick (a hatchet is a great tool for that) and stacked, moved and restacked for several projects around Buick Gardens. I still have a big stack that I will probably never use. Thanks for the kind words Billy, and thanks for following. At one point when I saw the ground was going to be too wet for a couple weeks to start boring holes for the poles, and I had traded my old 96 Buick hauler in for a newer '03 model and couldn't wait to take a road trip, the wife and I took a very enjoyable ride from Athens GA through Gadsden AL up to Savannah, TN and back down to Vicksburg MS to pick up some CL and eBay purchases made for the new build. Need some music to go along with the ride... Rita's heart throb... Steve Earle. First stop was Gadsden AL. These lights were installed along the streets of Gadsden back in the early 40's and removed in the mid 80's. I scored 2 of them and the gentleman had 7 more left. Should fit the period of my build. Then on to Savannah TN where I picked up this sign I have been talking to the seller about for a couple years now. He finally accepted my offer and it will probably be hung under the front canopy of the BS&SG. The front was originally dark blue, same as the back but years of it being used to block a front door to a corn crib in the hills of TN tooks it's tole on the paint and now it has a beautiful rust patina. I like rust..... When leaving Savannah TN we happened to get on the Natchez Trace Parkway http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/parkway-maps.htm and stayed on it all the way to Jackson MS. Some of the most serene and peaceful roadway we have ever been on. Speed limit only 50 MPH which probably contributed to the fact that we probably only met less than 20 oncoming vehicles all the way down. So if you ever need to go south from TN to southern MS or Louisiana and not in a hurry but could use a break from the interstates, I'd highly recommend the route. Oh and a good place to eat around Savannah is the Hagey's Catfish Hotel has some awesome cat fish and frog legs. http://catfishhotel.com/ Last stop was down in Vicksburg where we picked up this 322 Nailhead out of a 54 Roadmaster. Main reason for purchase was the AC parts, the 5 blade fan and high output double pulley generator. And check out what was in the beautiful garage of the gentleman I bought the engine from. Also check out those gorgeous doors. You can bet that image stuck in my mind. and the view of the Yazoo from his back door Along the way we also spotted a couple of nice old buildings. This on Hwy 22 at the MS/TN line. I assume it was a Texaco? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 One day after getting back from the road trip, I was sitting on my tractor looking out at the graded building site and started wondering do I know just what the hell I'm about to do, and this song came to mind Oh Lord, grant me vision.... and he did....... it's going to turn out great Now Lord, grant me speed!!! So lets get on with the build. After a long wet winter helped to even more compact the fill, I was eager to get some poles in the ground. Had a hell of a time finding treated bottom laminated poles down south and Carter Lumber in Winder GA special ordered me some from up north. 10 16 footers and 3 18 footers. Finally time to pull out the ol' Gurley gun and plumb bob and start the layout. BUT NOOOO, the weather man says it's going to rain for 3-4 days meaning 3-4 more for it to dry out enough to bore holes. Get out the plastic and cover the ground hoping to keep it somewhat dry. It worked. Finally time to crank up the ol '74 Ford 2000 diesel and auger equipped with new cutter blades and start boring. Man that fill was like virgin ground. With only a 12 inch augered hole, better use a 2x6 with torpedo level to make sure the whole is centered where the pole will be. Bring the 4.5 ft hole up to 4 ft with a little wet Sacrete mix footing. One of the best tricks I came up with was to use the 2x6 in the hole at the end of the pole being lifted up to make it a smooth lift up. After walking the pole up and dropping into the hole, plumb it and center it on the marks on the string, then pour in a bag of dry Sacrete and juke and tamp it, add water, let it setup, then add red clay in 3-4 inch lifts and juke and pack it all the way up. I decided not to use any metal rebar anchors or notches cut in the 6x's to anchor the poles. If a tornado wants to take the barn, what the hell do I need a bunch of splintered poles left stickin out of the ground for Poles and truss carriers up. Ahhhm the engineered trusses have arrived. Let's add some cradles to the carrier beams to catch and hold the trusses. Hillbilly hurricane straps Get the north end poles up Hmmmmm, sure would be easier to grade dump and grade the stone if these braces weren't in way... Braces moved 3-4 inches of stone spread Stay tuned, here comes the roof... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Wow Lamar, I thought I had the most labor intensive way to get lumber but demo takes the cake. That’s young men’s work but there’s not many other options to get the look you’re looking to get. I have heard that the treated wood poles last longer when not encased in concrete; you must have heard the same thing. I have to ask about what kind of help you have? It’s tough to run a rod and transit by yourself but you could probably do it. I really enjoy seeing the useful materials get a new lease on life. That we’ll-patina’d tin probably has nearly a century left in it and that old wood will face a much less severe service. It’s easy to see that the same spirit that commits time and labor to repurpose materials also gives a cedar tree a second chance and makes room for old donor Buicks to continue their roles. One last thing, I swear I see a Georgia peach tree in the foreground of a pic. Thanks for sharing this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Lamar, The more I see of your efforts, the more impressed I am of your talent, your planning, your skill, your dedication. You've been monitoring our website, sharing advice, sharing your parts and methodology, and now in addition to your beautiful and amazing home, pond, landscaping, and garage, this project really caps it all - especially with the re-purposing of salvageable materials which are both great for the job, and also add to the look and feel of the entire property. You and Rita are a credit to yourselves, as well as to the hobby in general - just wanted to let you know how much Dale and I appreciate it. Wishing you, as well as all our Buick community, the very best for Christmas, and good health for the coming year. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 10:43 PM, JoelsBuicks said: I have to ask about what kind of help you have? It’s tough to run a rod and transit by yourself but you could probably do it. You gotta be fast. Stand the pole up, balance it, get back to the transit before it starts leanin, take and record the shot then run back to the rod before it hits the ground. It's really tough on a windy day. The really tough trick though, is taking a shot on the plumb bob string, just hold the target up with the plumb bob dangling over the point, let it go then get back to the transit QUICK. Problem is the string retracts so fast into that target you have really got to move. Seriously, Rita makes a good rodman woman. But do not, I repeat do not ever tell her "here you take the dumb end of the tape measure" Thanks Joel for the kind and appreciative words. And yes sir, that is indeed a peach tree you see. Given to me by some folks at work when I retired. It has a bunch of peaches but they're all wormy as I don't spray it in the early spring. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 12:31 AM, Marty Roth said: Lamar, The more I see of your efforts, the more impressed I am of your talent, your planning, your skill, your dedication. You've been monitoring our website, sharing advice, sharing your parts and methodology, and now in addition to your beautiful and amazing home, pond, landscaping, and garage, this project really caps it all - especially with the re-purposing of salvageable materials which are both great for the job, and also add to the look and feel of the entire property. You and Rita are a credit to yourselves, as well as to the hobby in general - just wanted to let you know how much Dale and I appreciate it. Wishing you, as well as all our Buick community, the very best for Christmas, and good health for the coming year. Wow Marty, your and Joels kind words have got to be some of the nicest anyone has ever said about me. Actually very touching! Thank you very much. Please know you and Dale are invited to stop by again anytime you are near. We so enjoyed y'all's visit last time. And a Merry Christmas to you and Dale too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Excepting malathion, I figured out how to make most of my pesticides and fungicides for peaches- still costs a mint and still have some worms. Dad always had me hold the “dumb end of the tape” but he taught me so much about this work, like the value of batter boards and how to set up a level to minimize error. He frequently repeats that it’s easy to build a building plumb level and square but it takes a real craftsman to build one that isn’t. He has a few other sayings but are not suitable for this forum. Maybe most of all, I learned to not fear any of it. I’m looking forward to the coming installments. Be warned that they do, in a way, expose some of the softer underbelly. Why I learned a little about you by just looking at the tapered legs on your sawhorses! I also want to echo the comments made by others and say thanks for what you do for the forum and the hobby. Have a great Christmas! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Wow, after all that flowery stuff, a simple man has no chance.. Seriously, Lamar and Joel, you two do some great work. I cannot even imagine how one starts. But I can put a semi-truck down an alley with six inches to spare on each side! Wormy peaches? Just eat around the worm. MERRY CHRISTMAS, guys. Ben 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 What's worse than biting into a peach and finding a worm? Biting into a peach and finding half a worm. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Dang,sorry I haven't replied sooner guys, looks like the "follow auto notifications" haven't been working. On 12/20/2017 at 11:04 PM, JoelsBuicks said: Dad always had me hold the “dumb end of the tape” but he taught me so much about this work, like the value of batter boards and how to set up a level to minimize error. He frequently repeats that it’s easy to build a building plumb level and square but it takes a real craftsman to build one that isn’t. It takes a REAL craftsman to build onto an existing building that wasn't built plumb, level and square. I learned that while working on our first house, an old Queen Anne that had been moved. No pls anywhere, just character. On 12/21/2017 at 7:50 AM, Ben Bruce aka First Born said: But I can put a semi-truck down an alley with six inches to spare on each side! My dad was a truck driver and I remember to this day from when I was maybe 4-5, his correcting me on backing one of my toy trucks, saying you can't turn that sharp, you're jack knifing it!!! Has come in handy over the years when backing the car trailer, can't wait to see how I do with a 24 footer behind the wagon. My sweet Reet just walked in from work, time for some wine and a stroll around the Gardens. Will try and get back later this evening with another "installment". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Well forget that, after she looks at me like I'm crazy and says "you haven't been out of the house all day have you, the pond is frozen over and it's 2 degrees above freezing out there" But to defy her, I grabbed a couple shots of antifreeze (Bulleit whisky and Coke) and me, Elvis and my cat named Kowpi walked out and hung out in the garage for awhile. So back to the build. But first, some may think I'm being so ecologically savvy by re-purposing all this lumber and stuff when all it is really about is So time for the trusses to go up. Since these were 40 ft long trusses I hired a crane at the minimum rate of $450 for 4 hours and the roofers who had installed the tin roof on my house a couple years ago to help. The cradles I had set for the trusses made quick work of setting the trusses. Trusses set and the crane gone within 1 1/2 hour of starting.No mercy from the crane operator, still charged the full $450. But he was good. The roofers didn't spend a lot of time getting the trusses perfect while the crane was here. The cradles and one or two temp 2x held them in place. They plumbed and set a couple and then headed off to lunch. While they were gone I checked the plumb on the ones they set and the first one was good but not the second one. So before they returned I fixed the second one and made a jig for them to use on the rest of them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 The first day they got all the trusses and the purlins set. The next morning they started installing the blue board insulation and the tin. I had them set the purlins 2 ft apart so the salvaged blue board would fit between. The blue board is 2'x8', 1 inch thk Extruded Polystyrene and has an Rvalue of 5. I paid $1.00 per sheet and have enough to insulate the roof and walls with 2 layers. (in addition to regular sheathing and batt insulation) Note here also that I had installed some of the salvaged pine 2 x 4's as girts for the siding tin. I spaced them 2 ft apart vs on center so that the blue board insulation would fit in between them. Roof was on and roofers gone by a little after noon. I was not as satisfied with their quality of work on the barn roof as I was the house. I had the building (posts and ends of the truss carriers) square to within 1/4 inch but in the end the tin overhang (that which hangs past the bottom perlin) progresses from the planned 2 inch on one end to almost 3 inches on the other. Oh well, I can live with it. a better view of the girts 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 I am so much farther along with the build than I am here and it gets hard remembering the sequence of the build and correspinding pictures so bear with me if I forget and have to come back to something *hmmmmm, farther along....never miss a chance to let a thought help pull up a song. This one by The Byrds.....with Gram Parsons... So after the roof was on it was time to start preparing for the concrete floor. After fine grading the subgrade to within 1/4" of grade, I spread and leveled 3 inches of gravel and cut out two 5' x 5' areas for installation of a lift in the future. Placed a double layer of 6 mil poly and taped the seams to act as a moisture barrier. Set the front and back form boards and drove iron pins on 10 ft centers with tops at final floor grade to act as screed guides. They were driven 2-3 inches below top of concrete prior to troweling of concrete Just need to remove the front 2x8 form board and ready for the first of 4 1/2 loads of 3500 psi concrete. Poured 5 inches thick over WELL compacted red Georgia clay, no rebar, no wire, no fiber. Ran a proctor on the soil and 2 density tests as it was being filled and one on top after it had sat a couple of months during rainy season and got 98-100% density on all so I think I will be alright. Started on the back side, made one pour one day, installed an expansion joint and made the other the next day. The back pad only got hand troweling and broom finish. I had gone to the concrete plant and measured the height of an empty truck to insure clearance under the trusses. It measured 12'. I had 12' 6" clearance BEFORE I installed the 3 inches of stone so that meant I now had 3" of clearance. The dispatcher told me that was the tallest of the trucks the had so figured no problem. He also told me they are the same height loaded as unloaded. I found that hard to believe but when checked upon delivery and as the truck pulled out after unloading, there didn't appear to be any difference loaded or not. I kept close watch on them while screeding to ensure they used the pins I had provided them and drove them in before finishing. I watched for puddling of the set water. After it was power troweled and hand blue troweled I hosed it down and didn't have more than a couple of 1/8 in deep bird baths over the whole thing. I can live wit dat. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 You saved a bundle reusing that insulation. I’ve been pricing it at the local big boxes and it isn’t cheap. It’s too bad about the roof running out of square. It takes very little effort to make some measurements and check point marks and make that come out right. You spend all that time to get the structure square only to have the roofers do that. Maybe they know that these sort of things are really easy to forget about in short time. I bet bet you thought long and hard trying save the crane bill. You want to save where you can but some things are just out of reach and the older we get the more out of reach they get. The pics show that you’re on a pretty good slope - I didn’t realize that from the previous pics although you did have to bring in a lot of fill. lookin’ good and thanks again for sharing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 10 hours ago, JoelsBuicks said: Maybe they know that these sort of things are really easy to forget about in short time. one inch in 40 ft., no telling where it came from. You're right, I hadn't really thought about it anymore until I started thinking back and writing this. Hell, from the ground you can't even see it anyway. 10 hours ago, JoelsBuicks said: I bet bet you thought long and hard trying save the crane bill. You want to save where you can but some things are just out of reach and the older we get the more out of reach they get. Right again! I considered borrowing a fork lift or renting a material lift. But that would have taken men working on ladders on either end of the truss and me straddling those trusses like you see those guys that do it every day doing. Some things are well worth the money spent. That crane and the roof crew were that for sure. 10 hours ago, JoelsBuicks said: some things are just out of reach and the older we get the more out of reach they get. Music with poetry that stirs the soul is the one way to pass on to others, the feelings and emotions you are feeling in the moment. Those words Joel just wrote brought this song to mind. ......using ideas as my maps "We'll meet on edges, soon," said I Proud 'neath heated brow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Click it if you like, if not just pass it by..... The material for the walls. Salvaged 2 x 6's 2 ft on center. This is some of the solid but more weathered boards, saving the best looking for facing the interior walls. As an example of "using ideas as my maps" I found some nice little 2 ft wide pine french doors on sale at Lowes for $69 each and will use them for windows on the east side of the building and also on the interior separating the "service" area from the "sales" area. After building frames for the windows, I got started on the walls. These old pine 2X6's are HEAVY and by the time I incorporated the window frame into the 10' wide X 12' tall sections it was about all I could do to raise them into place by myself. Keep in mind this is a pole barn, there's typically no stud walls in a pole barn. These studs were not really structural but rather something to nail all the interior 2 x 6 wall board to and to accommodate the blue board insulation. Also incorporated spaces for thru the wall air conditioners and combo AC and heat in the office area. Funds just not there for central or split system heat pumps. The west side was easy, no windows!!! and from the outside... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Keep up the good work, Lamar. Envious! Music is an added bonus. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thanks Ben. I'm sure lots, probably most are viewing this on cell phones and not able to see in detail nor hear the music well enough to appreciate some of it. I really need to catch up on here to where I actually am on the build, which is basically that the outside is 95% complete, so I can start entering my activities daily. But anyway, thanks for following and the kind words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Your build and Joel's build have been my favorite morning entertainment . Would be neat to be side by side. Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think those 2x6’s are going to make a great looking wall. It will be interesting to see how you run them. I’m amazed at how straight they are. I’m curious about the wall height of 12 feet. I think it will give you that “voluminous” look and feel. Is that what you are after or do you need that for displaying old signs, etc? I noticed that most of the building will have a vaulted ceiling (the show room) and the upfront office ceiling is flat. I’m guessing maybe an 8-ft ceiling there and storage above that? It has a very solid look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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