Walt G

I have never seen either one of these Derham bodied Packard convertible sedans in pictures other then shown here that were taken for Derham. Nothing in the era they were made nor now within the past 35-45 years as a collector car. Derham did some neat postwar creations but you never see any of them. I had spoken to a fellow who worked in their shop in his teens when he lived in the area of Rosemont, Pa. where Derham was located. He saw a Franklin I had at a show here on long island and it had a Derham body so he struck up a conversation. MOST interesting the modifications they made to cars he helped on especially in the 1960s when there were bombs planted to blow up politicians and other people riding in cars . Interesting to hear him tell how they secured the floors of the cars from being penetrated by bomb blasts. More stories to tell. Yes,, to many stories from first person experiences from people that I have met = I have always been a good listener, know when not to interrupt and just let them flow with what they were there to see or participate in 40+ years prior.

what do any or all of us call "reasonable" so far as cost of a hotel room for more then one night? Depends upon the event. I think the Hershey Fall meet has to be one of the annual largest attended car events in the world each year. What are you paying - IF you can get a room reasonably near buy? My son and I just booked ours for that , not "thrifty" but it is the one major event we have attended for nearly 30 years together ( me for over 55 years.) One also has to take into account the satisfaction of seeing friends once a year for a number of days in a row, if you are looking for stuff ( parts, automobilia etc) is the event one that maybe can let you bring home one "goodie" that you don't have! etc.

Tom Thanks so much for the explanation/education about Cuba. It makes all of us appreciate and understand that culture, country etc so much better when we can read it as seen ( so many times) by "one of us". I know we have had emails about cars in Europe, Cuba etc. but most reading this do not know that there was a very active automobile club in Cuba pre WWII era. Luxury cars had their own showrooms, as did a significant number of other makes and levels of cost. Cuba is so close to the USA the transportation of new cars there was significantly less then transporting them to Europe. Your comments here and the super story you did for Crankshaft magazine opens up another world for all of us. Thank you. Walt

It came out more then just fair. WONDERFUL. I have always been a "hands on" guy, taught art to kids for over 3 decades The feeling of seeing something that you did with your own hands is sensational, not just for you but for others like us here to see something created from raw materials. Create something! this goes for all - gals and guys alike. Or recreate something - restoring something is about as close to creating something as you can get OK lecture is over , class is done for now. 😄🙃

this is the connection between the horse drawn coaches/carriages and the adaption to the horseless carriage motor car. the eras from 1900 to the late 1920s saw this tradition and transition. Looking back to adapt to the current chassis. the ultimate example was built in 1927 on a Lincoln chassis , model L by the Judkins Body Company in New England. Note the trunk on that. I have seen the car in person at the Harrah Collection. The Franklin series 11 is very similar in shape and design. In my study of coachwork and who and what was designed ( all hand drawn on illustration board) the renderings of such cars was done in opaque water color, then photographed and used in advertisements in custom body salon souvenir programs. The Judkins coaching brougham was in the NY salon on display and in a color advertisement by Judkins in that shows program. The original artwork for the Judkins Lincoln still exists and is hanging on the wall of my library . As does a Franklin series 11 showroom photograph of a town car looking very similar - also an original piece. My friend in Ct. who posts here by the name of 3makes was the man who found the original artwork of the Lincoln for me done by Roland Stickney in a shop and alerted it to me so I could buy it. One of the very few pieces of artwork in color that exists by artist Stickney who did most of the renderings/illustrations for the custom body builders for their sales portfolios, advertising, sales catalogs etc. The original artwork is large and most all did not survive the last century much was discarded before WWII.

The glamor of old has been covered over by paste on signs. Put back the palm trees. I have mentioned before my involvement with my village Architectural laws, committee, review board so to see changes can be acceptable if appropriate and that gently blend in with the original design. Just like a pre war being painted circus colors because the current owner thinks it is theirs and they can do what they want with it. Anything can be justified by some people - painting on/adding a mustache to an woman in an original Rembrandt painting.

Best thing to do is JOIN the Buick Club of America!!! the publication is worth the cost of the dues alone even if you do nothing else. A full color magazine once a month that the Editor who is a great guy, works his axx off to produce at a high level of quality and information with a great mixture of eras, years, models etc. The regions and chapters are wonderful , at least the one here near me is that I belong to. couldn't be better. I have belonged to antique car clubs since 1964 long before I could drive, and the BCA "Bugle" magazine is one of the best single make car magazine I have ever seen. I have experience in Editing, and writing for car magazines - both club and commercial , national and local level. BCA is GREAT. You will have a great car and can share your joy if you belong to a club and go to meetings. Walt PS If you can connect with Pete Phillips you will never regret his friendship and vast knowledge and enthusiasm.

Hummmm all this discussion of adult beverage - Rye - as in Catcher in the Rye? I like Canada but like Terry Bond my preference is for whiskey of the Scottish decent - the same stuff my grandfather consumed, and so did Austin Clark before anything else - on the label is two terrier dogs one black and one white - and old WASP drink. When I first met Austin it was in November of the year and I went to his house in Glen Cove NY on the north shore. He greeted me with " Well the sun is over the yard arm, and it is getting frosty outdoors , I'd like to give you a drink to thaw things out a bit" My Dad was with me and when Austin pulled out the bottle of scotch with the puppies on it we looked at each other and knew we were with a kindred spirit in many was - old cars, great dogs, and then to see his library of materials in the 20 x 30 foot addition of the library at the rear of his house , it was like heaven. Within 3 years I was working for him full time in his library to help keep it sorted as well as answer questions on vehicle history. That was an education for me just to see all the material and thus build my own library because I now knew of things that I didn't know existed before.

I have a envelope full of reports of the Bird estate auction in Oyster Bay NY that were in magazines at the time, plus a copy of the auction catalog with the prices written in and who bought and paid what when it happened. I was there ( although young - now am older/ish) and recall Austin Clark arriving to attend in his Silver Ghost RR limousine. Some amazing cars attending driven from all over - many classics . Grace Gluck did a good story on that auction for the Metro Region CCCA some time ago and I am working on ( but slowly) my remembrance of that auction for her even though I am no longer in CCCA . Some amazing cars at that sale beyond the classics - several minty condition low mileage Buicks in the 1937 era. Tunick brothers car dealers of Ct. were there bidding/buying and making more noise then most people could tolerate. I believe that Austin Clark did buy that type 35, and it sat in a storage building out at his museum in Southampton NY for decades in the original condition he bought it in . I used to crawl over it to get to stuff when Austin would have an "Iron Range Day" to sell parts and invited people there to look through stuff. Those were the days......🙂

Not going either , to many Dr. appointments to check if I am still vertical 😇 . I plan a visit to AACA HQ in the Spring and may be able to visit with some people there.

SO very pleased to see this my friend! Indeed a time capsule. thanks for sharing this with all of us. To all reading this - the owner of the car now is a great fellow and good friend , and we are able to spend some time in conversation with at Hershey each year. The car now has an premier excellent caretaker and will be used/driven etc. I am so pleased he has this great 4 cylinder Plymouth . That is a pretty neat heater box on the rear floor as well. 😀 It is nearly a year away but I hope we can once again have dinner together with the rest of the squirrels at the SAH annual dinner meeting in October 2024 at Hershey. Walt

Great advice here , polishing - winter work (??!!) if your favorite machine is in a heated garage.

Apparently there is now an Evaporust gel - any one have any experience with that ? I have looked on line and saw some demonstrations of it.

Nope, long gone.

I bought a can of this to use on the wheels of my 2004 Envoy - then bought a pre WWII era running board spotlight that had not been cleaned since it was new. I put some of the mag polish on a rag ( actually a piece of fine plastic wool) and tried it on an area of the spotlight - wow - cleaned it off ! - of 90 years of grime and tarnish and the plating shines. Have used it on a grille for a 1936? DeSoto that I got , wet sanded the loose plating off the face of the grille bars and then used the mag polish - it polished up the cast base metal of that grille great too.

Craig WOW, I thought all would have had issue 7 by now. Amazing how the USPS works at "speed"?? sometimes. I am working on a story for issue # 8 at this moment, hope to see it done, typed, saved, images scanned, resized, saved etc etc. by early next week and in to Richard . It takes more then just writing the story - especially if the topic is somewhat "different" and requires thought about where to find the information and images in period material. I don't assume something /anything happened I have to see proof it did from a pre WWII source and some are now a century ago time wise . But it is worth the time to present a good accurate story to all of you. thanks for your patience. Happy New Year to All. Walt

I think it may be a 7 passenger capacity. Note the height of the top and the depth/length of the body from the rear doors back.

MORE INFORMATION - diameter of the face please, note in your title that you have a clock you want information on.

Many of us here will not know where or what Rock City is or was. perhaps if you can share an image/photo of what you are looking for? Was it just words? did it have any image? Be as specific in detail as possible please.

Thank You so much for adding this /making a change and getting all the posted information /conversation switched over! REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. So much easier to view on a broad focused basis. GREAT.

I have seen them mostly on rear doors on pre WWII era 4 door cars, on station wagons they could also be found on the front doors . ALL DIFFERENT styles of lettering plus possible additions of a shape, flower, etc. I remember as a kid my parents bought a 2 year old 1949 Pontiac deluxe station wagon - came off an estate went to a car dealer to be traded in on a new car. that had a monogram on it and it was on the front door at the belt line .

Very sad to read this

If a 6 volt coil is the only thing it requires then why not pay someone to install a new one to have a running car to sell? I will never understand the excuse of a car for sale yet the owner not getting "minor" things sorted to offer a running car. Sure a pain jane car but a neat one.

You would be best to put in your title what kind of car not just the year and body style- It may attract more people to answer your question. Or put this in the Franklin section of the forums if you want to leave it as is. there were many many makes of cars that offered club sedans in 1930.

To read this is just so very neat, thanks to all who comment to add more information - I love stuff like this. Locations with then and now photos. WOW. ScottyK welcome to the forums - what would be do without them! Walt