Walt G

We all understand and appreciate your enthusiasm but stay calm and DO NOT BE DEMANDING , ask questions like : does the car have cable ( mechanical ) brakes or Hydraulic brakes, 6 volt or 12 volt system etc.

If you join a car club like AACA and a AACA region you will then meet people who own the era of car you want to get " the feel of" and after they get to know you may take you for a ride. Eventually may even let you drive their car. Think about it if you went modern to a car show and someone walked up and said can I drive your modern car you didn't know would you let them? A little realism is needed here. I can understand your desire but you also have to appreciate why an owner wants to be selective about who drives his car.

that is why manufacturers issued Accessories " catalogs", and also the factory when you bought a new Buick would put you on their mailing list for the Buick Magazine, these showed Buicks being used all over the world and also usually a page devoted to the latest new (accessory) equipment that was available at your dealer. Buick magazine started to be issued early on probably right after WWI.

I was there at Hershey in Oct. 23 but was in fast forward overdrive with the activities of the AACA paper sale and the SAH book signing not to mention everyone who wanted to have a few words ( which turned into many) I am still not sure how everyone figured out who I was. I hope to visit again in the Spring and then tour the inside and maybe even contribute a few words...................more on that possibility later. It is a well run tight ship by Captain Moskowitz .🧐

Yes, planning to see your collection ( part or all of it) go to a specific place, club, society etc takes a lot of thought before you are no longer here to direct that. No guarantee that you will be here tomorrow, that not being stated in a "downer" attitude it is reality . Even with thoughtful planning what you have and cherish can go to the "wrong" place. This goes beyond car collections - many of us have collections of collections, where is all your period paper/sales literature/photographs/ books etc going? you collections of period toys, mascots, emblems etc? Start to act now at least by writing it down - My personal concern is that if gifted to a place will it be of easy or even moderate access to have people visit, not in a location that for 4 or more months a year the weather is so poor that no one can be there nor want to be. Also if you are donating to a library period material do they have qualified people who know what they are looking at? Are those people cordial? I have witnessed some collections where the curator/librarian is so grumpy ( I am being very kind with that description) that they have turned off major donations of material and the $ to sustain it. ALL this being stated look at where a major automotive collection like the one at the Philadelphia Library was dispersed to for further safe keeping and ACTIVE availability ( like the AACA Library at HQ in Hershey) Where are major collections of other clubs, societies etc keep in trust to be used and available?? Preservation is very very important but so is having cordial people in charge to let the material be viewed or it is like the material doesn't exist at all. thanks for taking the time to read this morning rant................. Walt

Don That is how I used to do it as well. I knew Bill Cameron- great guy . We had numerous letters back and forth because of Cameron being an air cooled car and I had a Franklin and collected assorted period material on pre WWII air cooled cars (Page, Chase, Franklin etc) a lot of which I still have in my collection. Walt

My son and I are both members and we have had our here on long island for about a week.

Not seeing much so far as contributions to any air cooled cars here by anyone so thought perhaps I would do another probably my last one. this spare parts sheet I am guessing dates from the 1932-33 era. NOTE they want the car color as well!! I have several letters dealing with the company bankrupt proceedings and knew one of the young interns who was involved with the NY bank at the time. I met him in the 1970s and he lived near by me and liked old cars and their history. those papers plus what he told me would make a decent story but there is no space here to do that .The Franklin club publications /magazine utilize the space to list people who attend club events, their town and state so that consumes a lot of room and leaves little for any period material/photos/data that I have or the club librarian could offer if he chose to. The focus is not what it used to be yet so much material never viewed since new exists in file folders to remain there.

Everyone if you are attending PLEASE make the time to see and talk to the Trade Show Vendors, they will all be there to talk to you and answer your questions thus a perfect benefit being all in one place at the same time .

My good friend JRA has stated wise advice and as you can see has brought to his country, his collection a fine array of pre war cars . This man works on his own cars and drives them. SAGE advice. thank you.

MORE INFORMATION! where is all this located? that can give a possible purchaser some idea of cost to ship - or is there a chance to possibly pick up in person? THINK of all the factors PLEASE. Shipping from Portland, Oregon to0 Portland, Maine can be a turn off to a possible purchaser. Are all of these in the USA? EUROPE, China ???? 🤑

Used to see these on long island as well but not to much, Good Humor was the main sales force in ice cream trucks that would drive up and down the neighborhood streets.

I based my comments on the area on long island where i live and at least a 30 mile radius around as well. Most of it was all built up by the 1950s - cape cod style houses were the last type and a few high ranch houses came when larger plots of land were subdivided. SO most of the houses here are from the late Victorian era up to the early 1950s. Our village was created in 1907. In NY State you have to have local history on the 4th grade level - not the schools choice to not do that it is state law. This may not apply to all areas of the USA but as mentioned I am supplying what applies here. If you are an incorporated village in NY state there is a separate number of laws that also have to apply or you are in VIOLATION. One of those N Y laws is that you have to have a village historian this started in 1919. We all look at what applies to the area we live in and can overlook that other areas may not have the same circumstances. I rarely had any local history to learn of when growing up as well, closest it came was an anniversary journal published when the village was 50 years old in 1957. This is why that 4th grade history lesson was created and that was done decades later. WE do have apartment houses in our village but not 6 stores or more high. Kids who live in those have to learn about the local history as well. I hope this clarifies things a bit . My whole point is that in order for the cars to be appreciated we have to be the ambassadors to make kids and other people feel they can talk to us to find out about them, I guess I didn't make that clear enough.

Entertainment is at the click of a button, on a phone or a larger computer, lap top whatever. If people - younger or any age are not welcomed by those of us who have had interests for years and had mentors to guide us ( now most long gone), how can one expect the future generations to have any interest at all? Their creativity is there, also the desire to know more , but has to be encouraged - a smile helps and an extended hand offering to talk to them or show them how or what helps. I taught 1,100 kids ages 5 to 12 every week for over 30 years. There were extra classes they could pay to attend on weekends in the winter months to make something, not all kids were into sports activities , i never was. NY State says you have to have local history classes in the 4th grade, I gave a talk on that as well. One of the things I did to "connect" them was ask them to write their address on a piece of paper - no names. I then looked up the address of their house in a phone book that was from 60+ years earlier and would also list who lived in the house then and the occupation. I then let the kids know who that was and it was THEIR history of THEIR house. they went home and told their parents and it was then a family connection for all.. One has to think out of the box ( yeah I do that most of the time all my life) It is up to all of us to pass the torch of interest and learning and it can be really fun for all if presented and offered the right way......

Indeed they have. When I first graduated from college with a teaching degree there were no jobs for art teachers ( each school had one art teacher plus 30+ regular subject teachers) so I worked as a laborer with a local contractor and one of the jobs was to float a new concrete driveway apron for a two car garage. long day, lot of physical effort but I had cash $ 40 for the effort doing so in 80 degree humid weather. No complaints. Used $7.00 of that to buy a color sales catalog for a 1933 Plymouth that I admired the art work in, absolutely beautiful air brushed artwork- yes I still have that catalog.

My suggestion was to donate to the AACA LIBRARY at the AACA HQ - that is a different entity then the AACA Museum so may be confusing to some people. Different staff . I am only familiar with the HQ staff and their abilities and dedication. AACA HQ library is home to several collections - Buick Heritage, plus others including the collection of material that was in the Philadelphia Free Library auto section for years that was headed by Mary Cattie and then my friend Lou Helverson who used to attend SAH Pioneer Chapter meetings here at my house on long island.

Just like the kid in the story "A Child's Christmas in Wales" ( by Dylan Thomas) says " let's get to the useless presents" Useless information?? Well think of where this is being presented on a world wide site for people who collected used cars and trucks.............and annually pay a lot of money to keep them in order or make them look like they did when new 50+ years ago. Useless is good, having useless parts to cars that we will never own or even see in person but have a bit of, make us happy - hey it is history of the arcane 😇

The photo of the restored club sedan shows a car with a later trunk fitted, was not what the factory fitted to the car, could have been added when new to the order of the original owner. To get back to the unrestored car originally posted. Cost just to replate will go near 20k, upholstery 15k or more, add cost of tires and structural woodwork alone ...... I restored a Derham bodied victoria brougham of that same era. the time it took to replace the main sills, entire cowl, both door posts etc. Neat car, great once done and a real pleasure to drive all day long. the car shown is a major project.

And the make and model/series of car is ????

Donate to the AACA . club headquarters have a great library tended to by excellent personal. Jen and Matt.

I have had an interest in how the American made vehicles pre WWII were promoted in England and Europe. I know there were showrooms, service areas etc and indeed some manufacturers saw literature to hand out to perspective customers printed/published in England and Europe as well as designed there. I have examples for Franklin, Buick, Chrysler( Plymouth), Lincoln , Hudson but seek others to do a comprehensive story on what was done and evolved. I know Lincoln Zephyr also had European produced sales literature an I have none of that but fortunately a good friend in England who is the LZ guy there has some and made me aware it even existed.

Most of all upon your inquiry to someone be polite! I have had a lot of people ask me for information and are demanding and rude because they want the information I have taken decades to find out and they want it yesterday. People today are used to instant information/gratification at the tap of a button on the internet, and if then supplied with the information they seek never ever give credit to the source. I am not talking about a huge thank you in 18 point type, just a small line at the end of who and where . I now ignore those people .

From looking at period material it seems that bumpers becoming standard equipment from the factory started in the early 1920s. Franklin had bumpers as standard equipment starting with its series 11 cars in 1925. From what I have found bumpers , along with head and tail lights, , instruments on the dashboard, fuel gauge on the gas tank , along with carburetors, generators, starters were all purchased or ordered to be manufactured by companies separate from the car manufacturer. Bodies were as well since it took a lot of $ and space to set up a department to specifically create all of the above. Bodies that were bought in series of large quantities were made then shipped by rail "in the white" ie gray primer - then were painted at the car factory to meet the customers need , which often was a numbers of colors offered to the public not just random "sure we will paint your car any color you want" yes, custom paint jobs were available but rare due to the extra cost. These things just mentioned were advertised in auto "trade" magazine like automobile trimmer and painter etc.

More information - diameter of face? depth of body from face to flat area at back.

more photos to show any cracking of the metal in the casting. that will determine $ value as will condition of the plating.