Walt G

I am in complete agreement with this. Knowledge not just in information on how to repair or evaluate a particular car or year, but in the facts ( most of the time there will always be those who guess what really happened) of what happened " in the day, era" they were designed and built. I will also add my sincere gratitude and appreciation to Steve M. Peter, Mark, Tom and all the moderators and also all those at AACA HQ - thanks Jen, thanks Matt. Many many clubs depend upon AACA for these forums to be known, it would be proper for them to acknowledge their thanks for the opportunity to do this. For 25 years AACA has provided this service, these forums , show your appreciation - join AACA if you are not a member.

Do not want to impose my contributions nor presence on a region nor club I do not belong to but will this one time to post a period photo that some have possibly seen before. This Duesenberg is a model X . Lot of focus on the model J , but the model X had some really good styling to it as well for the years it was built. So here is my one time contribution to the CCCA section of the forums with period material. A do - well cow - well , the photo taken on a New York City street when new. ( probably on the upper west side of Manhattan) . WEG ( yes I know most know me as Walt but CCCA moniker has to reflect more upper crusty lexicon. )

I totally agree with this, not from any standpoint on auction catalogs etc just trying to get the period information at all or find the resources of that era that are indeed fact. Even some history that was written about 50 years ago by "experts" can be questioned, as with many comments here there is a lot of "opinions" and guessing/assuming as to what the real story is. Myth becomes fact very easily if around long enough - yes, I have repeated that often and will continue to do so. I personally cringe when someone says I am an expert, will never ever agree to that. I have just been so very very fortunate to be able to see or talk to people who were there when the history happened or have access to the information/history in original documentation. Hey, I let a good friend know that a car he owned was referred to as a "BOTHA" body style after he bought it , even had a sales piece on it by the company that built the body stating that. 🙃🤩 fact is often stranger then fiction............................

Neat photo of the substantial touring car in Brazil ! OK everyone what is it. Look beyond the car and at the great architecture behind the fellow sitting on the fender. I love old cars but also period architecture when everything was not clad in aluminum and plastic.

I am guessing as I think I saw the car 30+ years ago. Bought new by a lady and remained with her as her driver. Neat car but at that price the rot in the bottoms of the doors- plating needed on the bumpers etc - OUCH

the three press kits you see here were given out to journalists on Press Day at the N Y Auto shows in the beginning of the year listed. PLEASE read and note contents of cars/models covered. 1981 Lincoln and Mercury 9 x 12 is size of folder . nine 8 x 10 factory photos in B & W . 34 pages of text/copy about the cars , 7 pages of specs and details. Covers: Cougar, Capri-Ghia, Continental MkVI , Marquis, 1984 Ford - Lincoln - Mercury 12 photos b & w with captions, 13 pages of text/copy and mentions trucks, 9 x 12 is size of folder. comes with tattered envelope that has one tear. 1987 Ford - Lincoln _ Mercury 10 1/2 x 12 folder that is wrinkled at edge, Ford: 9 photos, 18 pages of text, Lincoln-Mercury 9 photos 19 pages of text copy, Trucks photos 28 pages of text copy. ALL for $100.00 and that includes postage for MEDIA MAIL- if you want insurance and first class mail it will cost extra, the 1987 press release item is heavy. Or $40.00 each media mail. No discounts, make offers, or do beddas, the press kits did not go to anyone who wanted to buy a car etc they were for the media to promote the new cars. NO RETURNS and I can't guarantee any safe arrival once it is in the mail to you.

no description ( size , capacity etc) no photos, no location NO SALE.

Never was gifted a car but so very pleased to read about those that have, that shows true friendship and insight on the person giving you the car. Something they cherish and know in their heart that you will as well.

I did too! And then read with interest for suggestions . But will still fly solo for now. 🤩

I am listing this here rather then to RR section as it is more of a curiosity in addition to being a car part , like spark plugs are with a brand name. It is a screw on hubcap for a Rolls Royce as is evident but the curiosity part is what series it fits and the story behind it. There are some great screw on hubcaps with names/logos etc and I am surprised no one has started a thread on that. This particular one fits a 1905 - 1907 Rolls Royce 30 Horsepower car. That was the series that just pre dated the Silver Ghost. The specs are 4 1/4 inches diameter at the threads and 3 1/8 inches at the flats where the wrench would be fitted to tighten and loosen it. The 30 Horsepower R-R saw a low production with nil survival rate. This hubcap was found by F.G. Wade - Palmer of the Jack O' Lantern Garage in Romsey, Hampshire England. . He found it when he was a consultant for a film company that was filming the movie Lawrence of Arabia in 1962 in Spain. Wade-Palmer was the mechanic on the set to make sure all the RR Silver Ghosts used in the film were in proper working order and stayed that way. He needed some parts to do this and went to the RR agency building that dated back to pre WWI era to see if they had any spare parts still there ( I believe this was in Barcelona) . Sure enough they did have some Ghost parts as well as this hubcap! He bought the parts as well as the hubcap and it came back to England when he was done with the film work. ( Wade-Plamer flew Hurricane fighter planes in WWII and passed away in 1986) Mike Worthington - Williams the noted automotive historian and author got the hubcap from Wade Palmer and when I was visiting Mike at his home in Wales decades ago I saw the cap and was fascinated by it and its history. We did a trade and it came back to the USA with me and has been in my library ever since .I Iook at it every day. NO it is not for sale nor trade. Hope you enjoyed the story. PS have to add that the cap is in excellent condition, the black areas you see is where the plating has come off in blotches like you see. Have never seen plating do that and it was this way when I got it 40+ years ago has not gotten worse. Surface is smooth. Perhaps this is due to the many decades it sat in storage in Spain?

Perhaps in your title be slightly more specific and note " late model LeBaron parts postwar in the 1980s - 1990s" late model LeBaron parts to me means something in the late 1930s..............

John states fact. The magazines ( social on the news stand, factory issued like the one here and also the monthly one sent to customers which was a trend that had been going on since the WWI era - Buick magazine, Packard magazine, Ford Times, Studebaker wheel, The Crest was what Cadillac called theirs etc ) there were specific magazines for certain areas of the car industry as well both here in the USA and in Europe. Note the magazines shown by Tom Gibson here on the forums from Cuba and Europe. The magazines give a lot more information and data then a sales promotion piece. A much broader view of what was really happening . These magazines are what authors and researchers seek when working on a story. I know I have for decades and still do.

Craig they were two different cars. The lighter car was not just a styling exercise, Derham did not have the time, staff nor space to be involved in that. They built to order not on speculation. They had two shops one in Philadelphia and one in Rosemont, Pa. to the west of Philadelphia. Walt

Tom This is fantastic to see and read. FINALLY some great information/history as well as recognition to a location/city so steeped in automotive heritage yet never ever talked about because so many think that the entire locale is OFF LIMITS - DANGEROUS etc etc. The vehicle history in Cuba was "fast and furious" pre war , just so many Americans and American companies doing business, vacations, etc there. Way to much ignored and forgotten, but some of us always held forth to seek and know what it was like then .................. Inspiration and friendship has always been what life is all about to me, I am only passing on what was passed on to me. I don't know how to be anything else, as a popular sailor once stated " I yam what I yam". Walt

That very few people now who know what happened . Groups today focus on their issues, and activities and do not look back to appreciate the era that our grandparents had to endure. Hardships for the most part today do not equal what it was like in the 1920s/30s.

When I still belonged to CCCA some years ago , I did a story on the experimental light 8 cars and included period factory photos, the hood cowl area was different before they settled on the final design. Just about every issue of the club magazine had a story in it I wrote for over thirty years , that will never ever happen again.

I have period hard cover color sample books - most for body colors but may have information regarding pin stripe. If I recall off the top of my head they were issued by Murphy ( not the body builder but by the same name used by a paint company) I am guessing but think perhaps a total of maybe a dozen colors were used. Stripe was a contrast to body color BUT not a bold contrast - no pink stripe on a orange car. the stripe and body color would compliment each other. Stripes were 99% of the time done at the factory unless it was a custom body that a customer went to the coach builder to specifically order. A.J. stated it best - LESS IS MORE. I will try to post further comments when I have the time, that may take a while - to many irons in the fire right now , a lot of people seeking information, answers etc - I thought I was retired...................

I have never seen either one of these Derham bodied Packard convertible sedans in pictures other then shown here that were taken for Derham. Nothing in the era they were made nor now within the past 35-45 years as a collector car. Derham did some neat postwar creations but you never see any of them. I had spoken to a fellow who worked in their shop in his teens when he lived in the area of Rosemont, Pa. where Derham was located. He saw a Franklin I had at a show here on long island and it had a Derham body so he struck up a conversation. MOST interesting the modifications they made to cars he helped on especially in the 1960s when there were bombs planted to blow up politicians and other people riding in cars . Interesting to hear him tell how they secured the floors of the cars from being penetrated by bomb blasts. More stories to tell. Yes,, to many stories from first person experiences from people that I have met = I have always been a good listener, know when not to interrupt and just let them flow with what they were there to see or participate in 40+ years prior.

what do any or all of us call "reasonable" so far as cost of a hotel room for more then one night? Depends upon the event. I think the Hershey Fall meet has to be one of the annual largest attended car events in the world each year. What are you paying - IF you can get a room reasonably near buy? My son and I just booked ours for that , not "thrifty" but it is the one major event we have attended for nearly 30 years together ( me for over 55 years.) One also has to take into account the satisfaction of seeing friends once a year for a number of days in a row, if you are looking for stuff ( parts, automobilia etc) is the event one that maybe can let you bring home one "goodie" that you don't have! etc.

Tom Thanks so much for the explanation/education about Cuba. It makes all of us appreciate and understand that culture, country etc so much better when we can read it as seen ( so many times) by "one of us". I know we have had emails about cars in Europe, Cuba etc. but most reading this do not know that there was a very active automobile club in Cuba pre WWII era. Luxury cars had their own showrooms, as did a significant number of other makes and levels of cost. Cuba is so close to the USA the transportation of new cars there was significantly less then transporting them to Europe. Your comments here and the super story you did for Crankshaft magazine opens up another world for all of us. Thank you. Walt

It came out more then just fair. WONDERFUL. I have always been a "hands on" guy, taught art to kids for over 3 decades The feeling of seeing something that you did with your own hands is sensational, not just for you but for others like us here to see something created from raw materials. Create something! this goes for all - gals and guys alike. Or recreate something - restoring something is about as close to creating something as you can get OK lecture is over , class is done for now. 😄🙃

this is the connection between the horse drawn coaches/carriages and the adaption to the horseless carriage motor car. the eras from 1900 to the late 1920s saw this tradition and transition. Looking back to adapt to the current chassis. the ultimate example was built in 1927 on a Lincoln chassis , model L by the Judkins Body Company in New England. Note the trunk on that. I have seen the car in person at the Harrah Collection. The Franklin series 11 is very similar in shape and design. In my study of coachwork and who and what was designed ( all hand drawn on illustration board) the renderings of such cars was done in opaque water color, then photographed and used in advertisements in custom body salon souvenir programs. The Judkins coaching brougham was in the NY salon on display and in a color advertisement by Judkins in that shows program. The original artwork for the Judkins Lincoln still exists and is hanging on the wall of my library . As does a Franklin series 11 showroom photograph of a town car looking very similar - also an original piece. My friend in Ct. who posts here by the name of 3makes was the man who found the original artwork of the Lincoln for me done by Roland Stickney in a shop and alerted it to me so I could buy it. One of the very few pieces of artwork in color that exists by artist Stickney who did most of the renderings/illustrations for the custom body builders for their sales portfolios, advertising, sales catalogs etc. The original artwork is large and most all did not survive the last century much was discarded before WWII.

The glamor of old has been covered over by paste on signs. Put back the palm trees. I have mentioned before my involvement with my village Architectural laws, committee, review board so to see changes can be acceptable if appropriate and that gently blend in with the original design. Just like a pre war being painted circus colors because the current owner thinks it is theirs and they can do what they want with it. Anything can be justified by some people - painting on/adding a mustache to an woman in an original Rembrandt painting.

Best thing to do is JOIN the Buick Club of America!!! the publication is worth the cost of the dues alone even if you do nothing else. A full color magazine once a month that the Editor who is a great guy, works his axx off to produce at a high level of quality and information with a great mixture of eras, years, models etc. The regions and chapters are wonderful , at least the one here near me is that I belong to. couldn't be better. I have belonged to antique car clubs since 1964 long before I could drive, and the BCA "Bugle" magazine is one of the best single make car magazine I have ever seen. I have experience in Editing, and writing for car magazines - both club and commercial , national and local level. BCA is GREAT. You will have a great car and can share your joy if you belong to a club and go to meetings. Walt PS If you can connect with Pete Phillips you will never regret his friendship and vast knowledge and enthusiasm.

Hummmm all this discussion of adult beverage - Rye - as in Catcher in the Rye? I like Canada but like Terry Bond my preference is for whiskey of the Scottish decent - the same stuff my grandfather consumed, and so did Austin Clark before anything else - on the label is two terrier dogs one black and one white - and old WASP drink. When I first met Austin it was in November of the year and I went to his house in Glen Cove NY on the north shore. He greeted me with " Well the sun is over the yard arm, and it is getting frosty outdoors , I'd like to give you a drink to thaw things out a bit" My Dad was with me and when Austin pulled out the bottle of scotch with the puppies on it we looked at each other and knew we were with a kindred spirit in many was - old cars, great dogs, and then to see his library of materials in the 20 x 30 foot addition of the library at the rear of his house , it was like heaven. Within 3 years I was working for him full time in his library to help keep it sorted as well as answer questions on vehicle history. That was an education for me just to see all the material and thus build my own library because I now knew of things that I didn't know existed before.