wayne sheldon

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  1. Victor Page wrote many automobile books, care and maintenance, explanations of the principles of design and operation. Many of the books were updated nearly every year, some of them for more than a decade. As such, many hundreds of his books are still around, in private collections, and very often for sale. Those charts were probably usually tacked on a wall in the shop or carriage house. Probably not a lot of them survive, and especially not in that condition. If it isn't something that you particularly want? You should get it into the hands of a proper collector. How much should you ask? I do not know. As nickelroadster says, "It is worth whatever anyone will pay for it."
  2. What a wonderful show! A great cross-section of automotive history. For me? If I could have but one of those? I would want the 1907 Peugeot road racer! What an incredible automobile! The 1911 Chenard & Walcker is a fine looking car also. I'll bet when the restoration is finished it will be amazing! The Delage of 1905 is a wonderful example of how much automobile technology was growing in those few years. The Renault next to it is a fine looking roadster also. What year is it? I would guess about 1911/'12? I have always thought the '20s Citroen cars were intriguing. But then, I really do like so many of the earlier cars. Thank you for sharing the pictures!
  3. Such can sets were after-market and not for any specific car. That is a fairly rare variation of an uncommon manufacturer, and in VERY nice condition! Boyco was probably the largest manufacturer of such cans. Most of their sets were open and held in a carrier on the running board or trunk (if the car had a trunk?). Boyco did make a similar enclosed box to mount on the running board, and I have seen a couple of those. I have seen a few Bear brand can sets, but not many. There were several other companies that made similar can sets.
  4. I would say look a bit earlier if you want to find differences between makes of cars in a narrow time frame. Like the 19-aughts. Take a couple years, say 1904 and 1905. Look at an Oldsmobile (curved dash, Fords, a Rambler, a White, a Cadillac, a Buick, a Franklin, an Autocar. A big Pierce may resemble a dozen other big cars in those years, and there were a lot of small makers that copied bodies from some specific car. 1903 and '04, Cadillac and Ford were virtual twins, body wise. To tell them apart, look under the car, the front axle and location and size of the flywheel can be seen and are quite different. Actually, the bodies for both were supplied by Wilson body company and designed by Henry Ford. But they soon parted ways and looked quite different. By 1910, things began to settle in, and cars began looking very much alike across the industry.
  5. Personally, I like that you want to try to use one of these. I also like to use era accessories on some of my cars, and experience the variety of ideas tried back in the day. One used to be able to find a bunch of the winter-fronts at swap meets. Many of them appeared to be nearly new-old-stock.They were were manufactured to fit many specific makes and models of cars from around the early '20s. I did once see one on an early '20s Essex if I recall correctly. Essex had a heavy looking radiator shell and actually looked good with the winter-front on it. I have seen a couple other winter-fronts made to fit Essex's distinctive radiator shape. I have also seen them for '20s Overland cars as well as a number of other marques. I suspect winter-fronts became obsolete after thermostats became more practical and reliable. I know the '29 Reo I had many years ago had a thermostat, as did many of the finer cars by the late '20s.
  6. I see some questionable repair under that paint. But if it isn't too bad, that fender can be repaired. Any "body shop" that says it can't be repaired? Is just a "cheap replacement parts changer" shop. As long as you are alright, that is the most important thing. I have seen many antique automobiles re-restored after much worse wrecks, and fenders far more seriously mangled made to look like new again. Do check the frame for any signs of stress around the corners and rivets. Many years ago, a good friend of mine was hit in his '29 model A Ford fordor sedan. The first thing he did, was at a swap meet, he bought a rear fender. Then he took the car and fender to an old master body man (long since gone now). The man looked at the damage, and the replacement fender, said "put that back in the junk pile you found it" and then said "I would much rather fix this (the one that had been hit) one." Except for make and model, his fender looked just about like yours, and it came our beautiful! Two years from now this should be the tale you tell in hotel parking lots at the end of a long day tour.
  7. John M, Quite true. Restoration of such huge projects is not for those unwilling to work hard for a lot of hours, probably a few years, with no guarantee of success. Also, it is best if one has very deep pockets. But it can be done by someone with the passion, a little (preferably indoor ) space, tools and skills to do most of the work themselves. I have restored about a dozen cars over the years. About half of them were considered beyond restoration when I began them. I won't claim they were ready for the big shows when I was done. But most of them became decent and presentable cars that I was able to drive on tours with the clubs and enjoy for a few years. And most of them were nice enough that I could park them next to some of the finest cars on big car tours, and not be ashamed of my car. Many, but not all, were model T Fords. I have also had a Reo, two fairly early Studebakers, a series 80 Pierce Arrow (the '15/'16 Studebaker and the Pierce were not restored by me), along with a couple others. I helped a friend rebuild the engine on his '25 Lincoln sedan, and drove that car quite a few times. Ten years ago, I could have been very interested in taking on a Lincoln or two if I could have gotten the right three of those for what they sold for. But I cannot be taking on something like that now. I have a '27 Paige I still hope to get to, after I finish the '15 T I am currently working on. There are still a few people around that could take on such a project. But how can they when the cars are marketed as badly as these were. I hope someone will restore that Judkins coupe. I have seen a couple of them on tours and at shows. Such a beautiful car.
  8. Been there, done that. I have very rarely sold an antique car because I wanted to. Never because I was "tired of it" or "I need the garage space". Usually, family needs jumped up and money was needed NOW. Usually, I end up selling too cheap because I need the money. Often to someone looking for a bargain, and something to put "their universe in order". Several of those buyers truly became a P I T A because they didn't understand what they were doing. One consulted his "machinist buddy" who convinced him the hundred year old car was total junk just because everything wasn't built to a one thousandth inch spec! I won't go into a few other complaints. Eric, I am saddened the deal didn't work out, but as others have said, it is probably for the best. I do hope you can work out a way to go forward with your hopeful new project.
  9. I just cannot be taking on big projects at this point in my life. But it was really tempting. Two or three of the right cars together could have resulted in one or maybe even two restorable projects. That Judkins coupe, along with two of the '29/'30 sedans (at least the one with the headlamps!) could have almost made sense. The '25 probably needed to be sold separately, unless there were a lot of other earlier parts added to it, it couldn't have made sense as anything other than a parts car or chassis for someone with a loose body. The later cars would not have provided enough nearly correct pieces for it. Of course, if they could have had someone with a bit of knowledge put the loose parts with the cars that needed them? Could have made a couple more viable projects. But sold separately that way, maybe getting one of the cars one wanted, but not the other one needed to make a good project, made bidding on them individually even more risky. Just so sad. Someone's unrealistic hopes and dreams mostly turned to scrap before all is said and done. It could still have meant something if the sale had been handled well.
  10. A '69 Mercedes engine? Personally, I would rather have a put-together model T speedster using era correct parts. But that is me.
  11. If I wasn't so broke as I am, I would want to buy about forty acres of high desert over Nevada way, and bury everything I own in vaults under the sand. Maybe someone a thousand years from now could find it and appreciate it! On the other hand, if prices can fall enough, I sure would like to get another series 80 Pierce Arrow to enjoy for a few years before I go.
  12. Nice! Should be a good thing for both of you. Also a nice '13 by the way!
  13. Beautiful truck! But 1916? Not likely. The year given of trucks is quite often off by as much as ten years. In many states, they were not licensed or registered until the 1920s or even later. Many were used industrially, or on farms, and again not licensed. Most were abused, parked out behind the shed, and nobody kept the paperwork if there ever was any. A decade or two later, people looked at them, thinking about the styling of the cars they knew, and "dated" by "style". The problem was "style" on trucks lagged behind cars by decades in those days. Most cars had electric headlamps before 1915. However, many trucks still had acetylene (gas) headlamps even as late as 1925, a few even as late as 1929. Trucks often still had no windshield as late as the early 1930s (many did, many did not). Solid tires (non-pneumatic) were common on heavier trucks until about 1930. All these things often confused people into an absolute belief that a truck they had was much earlier than it really was. I am not a truck expert. And I certainly am not an expert on Kelly Springfield trucks. But I have seen a lot of pictures of them, and I do a lot of research by studying era photographs. At a glance, I would guess that to be a mid-'20s. Besides, keiser31 is usually quite accurate.
  14. Thanks George! So did the car finally get a good caretaker? I wish I could have kept it. It should have been driven and enjoyed, but maintained to preserve its low mileage originality. Especially, that interior! I think it was one of the finest original mohair interiors I have ever seen. The paint on the body had been redone at some point a long time ago. However, many people thought it was original. And of course the fenders aprons etcetera was redone more recently, but looked very nice. I heard years ago that it was almost completely restored. As long as it is being well taken care of. Maybe one day I will be able to get back on tours again. I sure hope so. I miss the cars and antique car people, following a line of incredible nickel era cars, horseless carriages, even model Ts. I hope to see you on another tour before too long.
  15. Some nice stuff you have there Terry B ! Anyone wondering how reliable or accurate a Motometer is sitting above the water, should try putting their hand into the blow of a whistling tea kettle! On the other hand, no, DON"T! Burns happen VERY fast! The point is that the air above the water,in an enclosed environment will be a very predictable temperature only a few degrees below that of the water itself. And the hotter the water gets, the more precise they become.
  16. When I had the '25 Pierce Arrow series 80, every night, before turning in, I went out and stroked one of the headlamps! I sure wish I could have kept that car.
  17. I hate to think how many years ago this was, almost fifty! A couple good friends went together and bought a 1925 model 36 (?I think?) seven passenger limousine. We all lived in the San Francisco area, and the car was down near Los Angeles. It was not restored, more than a bit rough, had had some poorly done work on it, and barely ran. I went along to help bring the new baby home. An attempt was made to tow the big beast. But it quickly let us know that was a very BAD idea. It was too heavy and wanted to control everything from behind. So, we pulled it slowly to a good friend of Ed's that lived in the area. We worked on it for several hours. Did a bunch of general maintenance and service, and combined pieces from the two independent ignition systems to make one single system work well. We then drove it the 400 miles home through he night! Then to a swap meet about fifty miles from home and back again. What an incredible experience that was! I drove it up an over the grapevine. Why do I mention this? Because it was one of the few. It had the biggest, most beautiful drum style headlamps I have ever seen on any nickel age era car! I wish I had a photo of it. The two fellows that bought it played round with it for awhile, eventually selling it to someone that owned about a dozen Pierce Arrow automobiles. I have no idea where it went after that, or what ever became of it. I have seen probably four or five Pierce Arrows with such headlamps since, and always think back to the one I drove. Those cars are fantastic! And I love them whichever headlamp style they have. I have heard the New York story about those headlamps nearly all my life. Never really quite bought it myself (although I have repeated it as a legend a few time myself). More and more, in recent years, as I study so many hundreds of era photographs showing automobiles in their day, I have noticed quite a lot of pictures showing Pierce Arrows with the standard fender lamps. And a lot of those pictures were taken in New York. So, I have trouble thinking they could not have been sold that way in New York. I would like to hear something really definitive about it. Although an opinion by ED in Mass is pretty close to definitive. Sure is disgusting about that beautiful Pierce's radiator cap being stolen! Cannot say what I really think about it on a family friendly forum. Unfortunately, that sort of thing does happen, always has, probably always will, even in our wonderful hobby. I have lost a couple items at shows myself. However nothing as valuable as that cap! (I do still miss my Homburg hat. It was old era, perfect condition,and fit me perfectly. Stolen out of a friend's '26 Buick four-door sedan because we thought it would be safer there than in my open model T! In forty years since, never found another one that worked for me.)
  18. It is a little too new for my interests. But I think I can safely say that I have never seen a Pierce Arrow that I didn't like! I just like the ones from the '20s, '10s, and even earlier, better! I really wish I could have kept the series 80 I had years ago. As for the OP car? I like the color! From very unenlightened Califunny, running the wifi on my generator.
  19. I am not a 100 percent, but I am fairly certain that is one of the less than 1000 true 1915 Ford center-door sedans built for 1915. They are unique in the T world, although they appear to be very similar to all the thousands of center-door sedans that followed from 1916 into 1923, the entire body (including the rear fenders) is totally different. Aluminum instead of steel over wooden framework. The interior was quite elegant, and could rival all but the most expensive cars of the day. The gasoline tank was located underneath the rear seat (and didn't work out very well). The windshield was a multiple pane arrangement that doubled as a windshield, and ventilation system, and a visor (I think I can see the multiple panels in the photo). I know of about five true '15 center-door model Ts that survive, but I do not think this is one of the ones I know of (although two of the survivors I do know of, I have never even seen a photo of?) Years ago, I had a '16 center-door sedan. While most '16 center-door sedans are total fakes, back-dated later cars, there was good reason to believe the one I had was the real thing. Unfortunately, it had also been the victim of a bad '50s restoration where keeping the car correct was NOT a priority. I had to make a lot of corrections to the car. Eventually I sold it to buy a bigger and faster brass era car. I sure do like this Buick! I wish I could be in the market for it myself, but that is not to be. Maybe I can at least bump it back to the top?
  20. If somebody on the other end of the continent wants to get rid of some? I would be interested. I can't afford to pay much anymore. I started to try to fill in my very incomplete collection about ten years ago. About six years ago I bought several hundred (including a fair number of multiple duplicates) from a fellow in Canada.. The price was right, but as said, the postage was a bit tough. Unfortunately, one of the three boxes shipped disappeared somewhere out there. Double unfortunately, the box that disappeared had the dozen or so I mostly wanted! Oh well. Because it was USPS and Canadian postal, both blamed the other, and no compensation was paid. The seller and I settled no problem, we both shared some loss. I still filled in about a hundred issues I didn't have before, and eventually donated the rest to a museum fund raiser. It is a good local museum with a bunch of good volunteers restoring their many displays including a '20s fire truck. They figured a couple hundred issues selling for about a dollar apiece would be a bit of a help. Good antique automobile hobby magazines before about the late '60s can usually find good homes if the price is reasonable. EBad sellers tend to be crazy there, however I have filled in a lot of my HCCA Gazettes from eBad. I am not trying to get a complete set, but I currently have all the way back to 1950 as well as a fair number from the '40s. I would like to get the AACA Antique Automobile that far back as well. I very much like to see people trying to preserve most of the magazines. Certainly, it may be unreasonable to save them ALL. However you can bet that a large percentage of the current issues do get trashed within a few months. I still have most of the ones from when I was a member in the late '60s and early '70s! But I do have hoarder blood in my veins.
  21. Some of those after-market caps had a simple way to fit and attach an adapter to work on any of several different makes of cars. Threading could be either internal or external, and thread count and diameter varied from marque to marque. A top piece and latch catch could be made, but costly enough to make this not expensive value wise. Wing size and styles varied, many dozens of different styles were marketed back in the day. That is a nice style!
  22. I have no way of knowing for certain myself, but I have suspected for a very long time that William Harrah spent a considerable amount of time and money trying to find one of the two only cars that would have been either the Sextoauto or the Octoauto prototypes. One of the cars used was a '13 Stutz touring car, and Harrah owned and restored a few of those (one of them is owned by a good friend of mine and I have ridden in it!). The other base car was an Overland touring car. Harrah had a few of those, but continued for many years advertising for Overland cars and parts. A rather common brass era car relatively speaking, the only real reason for his continued looking was to find that one car, or even one single frame, that had extra holes in certain places. I would think he was trying to find either one of those historically unique cars to resurrect one of the cars. Reeves had spent a lot of money, designing and building, only to rebuild and redesign again in an attempt to market his idea. He offered to build such a creation on any automobile chassis of the (potential) buyers choice. However, nobody came forward to buy one. I suspect he was discouraged by this. It has generally been believed that both "base" automobiles were soon after returned to their original configuration and quietly sold simply as slightly used cars. The upside to all this, is that I think a lot of Overlands survive today because of the search for that one Overland. I have personally known several people that owned and toured with brass era Overlands. A couple of them I have spoken with a bit on the subject and I have been told by a few of those Overland owners that Harrah's quest for that one Overland did push others to find, acquire, and restore Overland automobiles that otherwise would likely have not survived. And besides, I got to ride in a Stutz!
  23. I have no connection to this Franklin, no stake in its sale, no personal knowledge of its current or past caretakers. I wish I could make a connection, I wish I could buy it and take on the task of putting this puzzle together. I think I would enjoy it (in spite of the fact I already have too many projects I don't have enough time for?). But it won't happen, too broke, too far, and not enough time. So why do I keep doing this? Probably just because I hope I can give someone a nudge to take it on and bring it back! For the most part, antique automobile people are much better on the average than most other people are. They care about history, they care about preserving pieces of that past. They tend to care about other people. Antique automobile people often help other hobbyists, often for nothing more than the satisfaction of helping in return. I have found this to be true throughout the hobby, although certain marques more-so than others. Franklin is one such marque. I have known several Franklin collectors. Several hobbyists with one Franklin, a few with four or five, and one fellow that owned about a dozen of them. One thing they all said, is how wonderful the Franklin networking was for finding parts or information needed to get another one back on the road. I can't make promises for other people. However, I suspect that any good, sincere, hobbyist, trying to put this car back together will be able to find a good amount of help with it. (By the way, Model T people seem to be the same way!) Oh, and the other reason for commenting again is that it is listed on eBad again. If anybody wants to see a few more pictures of it (for the short duration of the listing), try this link https://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Franklin-Series-11-A/163880948858?hash=item262810d47a:g:VJcAAOSwjJddjUcM Unfortunately, not as many pictures as the previous listing. But a few to give some idea of how apart it is.
  24. Rule number one of old tube type radios. If it hasn't been on in quite some time, DO NOT TURN IT ON! Now, since it has been on several times, and apparently did sort of work once, you may be okay. Rule number two, if it won't work in the first few minutes after turning it on, TURN IT OFF! And leave it off until it can be checked out. Old tube type radios had old style paper and foil in wax capacitors. They can go flat over time, and often will short out if turned on or left on for any length of time. Those shorted capacitors can begin a cascade failure of shorts and burned out components throughout the circuits. My dad used to be a radio and television repairman way back when, and he collected antique radios for many years. He had over 200 radios when he passed away fifteen years ago. I know there are a few radio people that make a side business of restoring automobile radios from the '30s through the '60s. I do not know any personally, so cannot advise you there. But ask around. Ask friends with cars of your car's vintage, see if anyone can offer suggestions for either the good or the bad. Personally, I would encourage anyone with a '50s or '60s collector car to include the correct and/or original radio in that restoration. It is too easy to toss the thing aside because we don't understand it or how to fix it. It is too easy to stuff a phony guts behind a fake facade to play your MP3 on. A working correct radio is a special detail that can set any collector car above the rest! Besides, you can buy short range transmitters that work in the AM radio frequencies specifically made to broadcast your MP3 player onto your AM radio. They are cheap. I have one, and it works well. I used to use it in my modern car because I often drove to visit family through about a hundred miles of no good radio reception. And, HEY OUT THERE!? I am asking. Where can he get his radio fixed right?
  25. Brooklyn Beer, I don't know if they can be seen easily or not, but a few weeks ago, this car was listed on eBad with a bunch of what appeared to be good current pictures. Yes, it is about as far apart as a car usually gets. I understand it is an estate thing and needs to be sold and moved out. Beyond that, I don't know the car or the people involved. It did look as thought the upholstery could be salvaged if someone wanted to (frankly, a re-dye job wouldn't hurt!). But that could save a new owner a bunch in making this car a driver to enjoy. I wasn't kidding when I said I wish I had the money. I like Franklins, I had to sell all my good cars to care for bad family, and I am good at puzzles. I already have a couple good project piles, but I think this could be a better car for a bit less work. However, lacking the funds to purchase, let alone safely transport hundreds of loose pieces three thousand miles. It ain't gonna happen for me. I do really hope someone grabs this pile and does a good job getting it back onto the highways! Franklins are wonderful classic cars.