48BuickRoadConv Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 16 hours ago, 31 LaSalle said: Now that's a Boat Tail Stunning { IN MY OPINION } How about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31 LaSalle Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 Just now, 48BuickRoadConv said: How about this? Very nice but to modern maybe better when its aged 40 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31 LaSalle Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Xander Wildeisen said: What a beautiful car what year and make is it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alsfarms Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 31 LaSalle..... I am sure you have already considered many things as you consider the gray Packard. The basic pictures do not show to what level this one was restored as in, trim, fit, paint, chrome, mechanics, detail of dash, top hardware, firewall and engine compartment. How much bondo was used to make the body lines straight, any fiberglass, body structure wood or steel tube. You are aware what it would cost to restore .mechanics, upholstery and paint. That would give you a starting point for establishing the ultimate value to you. Not everyone will arrive at the same value....but that is not your concern. With this car, I encourage you not to run on emotion only, (because you want it) but the reality of what it is....a modern shop built custom. As before stated, this car has the look of more "stoic" British tastes as shown in proportions, straight lines and boxy appearances. (I for one can appreciate a fair degree of British styling as compared to what we see here in the US). Provenance is important as you look at customs built in the 50's that still have exact history with them and how that history affects value and sale price. It just takes time. Good luck with this interesting potential adventure. Al Edited May 27 by alsfarms Spelling (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 There is a lot on the car that does not match a 1937 Super 8 Convertible coupe. Windshield pillar, wing windows, door fit to body tub, golf club door, placement of door, body line on rear quarter, shape of convertible top and the shape of the front door. My guess is a sedan with a custom made windshield pillars, rear door removed and body tub pulled forward, top custom made or modified from a different top. It is a custom car. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The Talbot is certainly a beautiful automobile. However can you appreciate the serious blind spots you would be dealing with to negotiate this car in traffic! Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The squared window frame hurts the flow of the car. Harder to fab a convertible top with a curved window frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 12 minutes ago, alsfarms said: The Talbot is certainly a beautiful automobile. However can you appreciate the serious blind spots you would be dealing with to negotiate this car in traffic! Al Guessing the days of this car dealing with traffic are over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1937 120. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The car in this topic appears to have a Super Eight engine and longer wheelbase. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 From your description of the owner’s position, it will have to be at the second auction. It will fail to meet reserve at the first one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, 48BuickRoadConv said: How about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I doubt anybody would cut up a convertible coupe to build this. I’m sure it started as a sedan. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) This is a cool custom. Edited May 27 by Xander Wildeisen (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I don't like to criticize but my opinion is this car is worth less than a factory convertible in similar condition, a lot less. I hope those who are more familiar with the values of prewar Packards and classic cars in general will weigh in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31 LaSalle Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 37 minutes ago, Rusty_OToole said: I don't like to criticize but my opinion is this car is worth less than a factory convertible in similar condition, a lot less. I hope those who are more familiar with the values of prewar Packards and classic cars in general will weigh in. A persons opinion should never be taken as criticism as to its value you are quite right it should a lot less than a factory convertible but a factory convertible in the same condition as this car would be outside my budget 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Buick96S Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 11 hours ago, 31 LaSalle said: HI alsfarms yes this car is for sale and i am interested I am trying to gather some history of the conversion unfortunately the seller thinks it has a high value as he advertises it as the only one in the world difficult car to value [anybody care to put a price on it]??? its overall condition is excellent ,engine and running gear rebuilt Interesting question. Value, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Modified vehicles are difficult to assess whether they will appeal to enough people to drive the price. I'm sure that many of us look at the resto-mods selling at auction and are amazed at the prices they bring. From the limited photos, this car looks to be well executed, only an in person inspection would prove whether that is an accurate perception or not. If I were looking to purchase this car, I'd start with recent sales of a 1937 Super 8 Touring sedan in comparable condition as a baseline. Only you can decide if the modifications add or subtract value to the vehicle and how much that dollar amount represents. Good luck! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) Here is a 1927 or 28 Peerless Model 8-69 Roadster and a 1928 Peerless 6-80 Roadster Coupe, both boattails. Good choices when you only wanted to spend 3 to 7 times what a Ford cost, instead of 12 times for a '28 Stutz Blackhawk Speedster. A Packard 734 Speedster, or the Duesenberg Model X, would set you back a lot, too. ($5,200 and $6,000+) Edited May 28 by jeff_a (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 1928 Auburn 8-88 Speedster Gullwing Motors had for sale. These were only about $2,200 new. To be fair.........the Auburn boattails were where the bargains were. How they turned out cars like that for the price I don't know. Edited May 27 by jeff_a (see edit history) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 hours ago, Xander Wildeisen said: This is a cool custom. The body looks ok because it is Auburn. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) To OP, I understand my opinions or views on valuing vintage cars are different than many others here, but this IMO is a very typical case in which the potential buyer (YOU ?) establishes the value for it, be it in an auction or private sale. YOU simply determine what this car is worth to YOU and make an offer based on that figure. If the seller doesn’t want to accept it, it just means it isn’t meant to be YOUR car, as he/she values it higher than YOU or doesn’t really want to sell it. As I’ve pointed out before, I have bought (and sold) hundreds of vintage cars in past 45+ years and the above suggestion has always been my approach. And 99% of them I've personally inspected and if they were running & drivable, test driven at any and all speeds, etc. I've never purchased any car, new or used, through an auction and probably never will because just about everyone I know or have met who bought a vintage car at an auction, whether online or physica venue, has later regretted it, some more, some less (most auction buyers won’t admit to this, especially publicly or to those they don’t know to be trustworthy to keep it to themselves). Only time I would recommend buying a car in an auction is if you or someone you explicitly trust knows the given car intimately. Edited May 27 by TTR (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 In the early 1980s I bought a pair of 1940 Ford front fenders and a hood. I sold the fenders quickly but hung on to that hood for a few years with dreams of making it my boattail on something. My delay probably ended up in getting a little more for the hood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 14 hours ago, TTR said: To OP, I understand my opinions or views on valuing vintage cars are different than many others here, but this IMO is a very typical case in which the potential buyer (YOU ?) establishes the value for it, be it in an auction or private sale. YOU simply determine what this car is worth to YOU and make an offer based on that figure. If the seller doesn’t want to accept it, it just means it isn’t meant to be YOUR car, as he/she values it higher than YOU or doesn’t really want to sell it. As I’ve pointed out before, I have bought (and sold) hundreds of vintage cars in past 45+ years and the above suggestion has always been my approach. And 99% of them I've personally inspected and if they were running & drivable, test driven at any and all speeds, etc. I've never purchased any car, new or used, through an auction and probably never will because just about everyone I know or have met who bought a vintage car at an auction, whether online or physica venue, has later regretted it, some more, some less (most auction buyers won’t admit to this, especially publicly or to those they don’t know to be trustworthy to keep it to themselves). Only time I would recommend buying a car in an auction is if you or someone you explicitly trust knows the given car intimately. This. The market is limited for this sort of stuff so if you are interested you set the price. I keep ending up with cars where it seems I'm the only guy that shows up to look. In these situations smart sellers don't say no. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 11 minutes ago, alsancle said: This. The market is limited for this sort of stuff so if you are interested you set the price. I keep ending up with cars where it seems I'm the only guy that shows up to look. In these situations smart sellers don't say no. I didn’t know you owned Hudson’s?😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, Xander Wildeisen said: I didn’t know you owned Hudson’s?😂 We could start a thread on this... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31 LaSalle Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 Would rear skirts add or detract from the style of this car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I vote NO on the skirts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CChinn Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I like it as is from a style and practicality perspective. BWTs look good too 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 "If it was my car" Skirts would not be considered. My first step for about the same cost as fabricating a pair of skirts and painting them would be to reverse the angle of the tail point. Bring it down at an angle similar to the later model Auburn Speedsters. Maybe sell that luggage rack to fund the modification. The sidemounts and running boards look fine but I think they are right at the limit. Adding extra would be like adding love handles to a pole dancer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) Definite no on the skirts. This is supposed to be a sport model, they never have skirts. When I say sport model I mean in the American idiom associated with tennis, golf, polo etc NOT in the European sense of sports car. Edited May 31 by Rusty_OToole (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Cluley Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 I was glad to see the picture with the top down. De-emphasizing the too short door and too square window improves the lines a lot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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