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Todd Carlson

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Hello All,

 

I hope you are all well.  I'm trying to get information on the toolbox emblem that I've seen on some American Underslungs.  I can find pictures of three different versions.  1) A brass only version with cutouts.  2) A colored (paint or enamel?) version with "American" horizontal and 3) A version with "American" slanted.  Can anyone tell me if they are all original to the car based on a specific year? I have included pictures of each type that I've found.

 

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This is a new research topic for me with regard to American.   I will direct you to the American Underslung Repository that is hosted by another AACA forum contributor:

http://www.stanleyregister.net/AmericanUnderslung/  Hopefully he will also comment on this subject. 

 

Going through a lot of the old photos with the exception of the dark colored 1909 Traveler below I didn't see any cars that had the eagle emblem on the battery box.  But note that the lighter colored 1909 Traveler does not have the emblem.  I have only seen a couple of catalog ads that showed the eagle emblem on the battery box but they don't appear to be common. 

 

My guess is that the factory didn't add the add the eagle emblem on the battery box but it was offered as an accessory by a third party or through a dealer.   Larger Eagle emblems were definitely used on the radiators on the earlier cars but that ended later in production: 

http://www.stanleyregister.net/AmericanUnderslung/AUTheEagles.html

 

It is worth noting that the eagle radiator emblems have been reproduced.    

 

Alan 

 

 

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Thank you for your input.  I've looked at MANY period and post restoration photos, including those that I found on the stanleyregistry.net site.  Some seem to have the emblem, some don't.  I can't seem to get a good answer. There are also period manufacture brochures that show an eagle emblem on the battery box for some models.  There seems to be three different versions, likely depending on the year. 

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First, I will say after seeing one of these at the Simeone I think they are one of the coolest early cars ever. I thought the name was 'American Underslung'. Seeing all of the ads it seems that the name of the car is 'American'.  So, I gather the 'Underslung' moniker is a bit of slang/tag along that has been added through the years? When did this happen?

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If you like the look and you find a car that has an original one, take a nice picture, simple part to water jet or laser cut (need background contrast).  Thickness and size are numbers you need, the rest is digital magic.  Guessing you might be able to get it done under $100.  The Coker Underslung dose not have one.

 

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Catalog pictures, and period photos, never showed a toolbox on any full-size roadster or Scout - the one in the first picture of the original post was probably added for the purposes of the Great American Race.

 

The only catalog images to show a decorated toolbox were in 1909 - in an Advance catalog and in the regular one.  Those are the first 4 images below.  They all show a design with an eagle on a half-circle world, with the word "American" slanting up from the lower left of the half-circle.

 

The only period photos I've found showing a toolbox decoration are of 1909 cars - the next three images.  The first two are from factory photos of the Gadabout, and the third is from the W C Fields car.  They all show the same design. 

 

No Gadabouts or Wayfarers are known to survive.  The single surviving 1909 Traveler (one of my favorite antique cars of all time) carries a toolbox decoration similar to the brass cutout shown in the original post.  I've never seen any existing car with a decoration like this one.  What I can see of the swirly "American" word, and the texture of the eagle, suggests that the decoration was a decal.

 

Do you have an Underslung project going?  I'd love to learn more about it.

 

Kelly

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1 hour ago, TAKerry said:

First, I will say after seeing one of these at the Simeone I think they are one of the coolest early cars ever. I thought the name was 'American Underslung'. Seeing all of the ads it seems that the name of the car is 'American'.  So, I gather the 'Underslung' moniker is a bit of slang/tag along that has been added through the years? When did this happen?

The name changed from "American" to "American Underslung" in 1912.  Before 1912 American offered a conventional chassis car.  Later only Underslung cars were offered.  Only one conventional chassis car still exists. 

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Thank you all for the comments.  Kelly, I do not have a project ongoing.  I'm the owner of the brass red/white/blue toolbox emblem pictured below.  I just recently picked it up and am trying to investigate it's history.  It was tarnished when I purchased it.  After some moderate cleaning, it turned out nice. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Todd Carlson said:

Thank you all for the comments.  Kelly, I do not have a project ongoing.  I'm the owner of the brass red/white/blue toolbox emblem pictured below.  I just recently picked it up and am trying to investigate it's history.  It was tarnished when I purchased it.  After some moderate cleaning, it turned out nice. 

 

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Todd, that is a nice piece you found.  Does it have any kind of markings to indicate who made it?  

 

Alan 

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Here's a photo of the car pictured at the top of the original post, from 1978, soon after it was restored.  It confirms that the toolbox was a later addition.  It was probably intalled by Joe Atkinson, who bought the car in April 1986 from restorer Criss Savage, expressly to run the Great American Race.  It certainly was an American race, with that car in it!  A photo taken the following year shows the race banner and the toolbox.  IAtkinson ran the car ran in 3 consecutive GAR's.

 

I saw this car in the flea market at Hershey about 10 years ago - anybody know where it has ended up?

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4 hours ago, StanleyRegister said:

 IAtkinson ran the car ran in 3 consecutive GAR's.

 

I saw this car in the flea market at Hershey about 10 years ago - anybody know where it has ended up?

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Hope it was restored after the Great Race. 

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

 

Great Photo!

 

I don't want to ask how old you are to have an 18 year old Aunt in 1918.

She died in 1983 when I was 38 years old. Right now, in 2023, I'm only 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How's that?

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2 hours ago, alsancle said:

There must’ve been quite a spread on the kids in that family.

Not really tremendous, my mother was born in 1909 making her 9 years younger than my aunt and about 9-10 when the picture was taken.

 

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