kar3516 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Not mine. $22,000 https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/lehigh-acres-pierce-arrow-1928/7442669995.html# Per owner: “1928 Pierce arrow all original all factory. NO TRADES NO HELP SELLING. Great condition some mechanical work needed has factory papers and records 239-645-6121 $22,000 can only be seen by appointment” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.f.jones Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The tools on the running board and the pile of parts on the back seat are a little worrisome. Skewed front bumper, not so much. Glad it doesn't have those frog-eye headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I like this car. Somebody hasn't painted it metallic red yet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Perkins / Mn Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) I believe I have several pictures of this car somewhere deep in the recesses of my computer. I will post them if found. I’ve seen this car at the Naples (FL) Depot Car Show. It sure looked like a very nice survivor. UPDATE: my pictures of this car (3) are prints, not digital, and are not as good as those posted. Sorry! Edited February 9, 2022 by Jeff Perkins / Mn (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63RedBrier Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I'll wait for Ed to weigh in to see his thoughts... He must know about this one, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I like it a lot. I wonder if PA guys like it less due to lack of signature headlights. I understand buyers could have either chouce but Ed would certainly know the detail on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Don't know the car. They are very nice drivers......but at 22k, that should be sorted and need nothing at all. Drivers can be found for 12-15k. Engine work on them is expensive and parts are very difficult at best. In my humble opinion, its not worth much more than 6-7k needing engine work......and thats if you like it. Pierce Arrow repairs are much more expensive than most people understand. It has new tires on it......and not running....sort of a bad sign that there was intent to drive and enjoy....and they hit a wall. The wall is usually money. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, edinmass said: Don't know the car. They are very nice drivers......but at 22k, that should be sorted and need nothing at all. Drivers can be found for 12-15k. Engine work on them is expensive and parts are very difficult at best. In my humble opinion, its not worth much more than 6-7k needing engine work......and thats if you like it. Pierce Arrow repairs are much more expensive than most people understand. It has new tires on it......and not running....sort of a bad sign that there was intent to drive and enjoy....and they hit a wall. The wall is usually money. Ed: What are the usual mechanical issues with the 81, same as the 80? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, edinmass said: It has new tires on it......and not running....sort of a bad sign that there was intent to drive and enjoy....and they hit a wall. I guarantee it's far more than a carburetor tweak away from being roadworthy. Personally, I think it looks kind of downmarket without the Pierce headlights. Like a Willys-Knight or a Star or something like that. It doesn't have presence. Decent interior, though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: Ed: What are the usual mechanical issues with the 81, same as the 80? Steve Yes....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: I guarantee it's far more than a carburetor tweak away from being roadworthy. Personally, I think it looks kind of downmarket without the Pierce headlights. Like a Willys-Knight or a Star or something like that. It doesn't have presence. Decent interior, though. I agree, I like the trademark Pierce fender lights, make it stand out. The interesting thing is that, had Pierce not patented lights in the fenders, lots of other makes would have had them. Because of the patent, other makes HAD to use bracket lights. Thus, it’s what people are used to seeing on early cars, and that familiarity makes the Pierce lights objectionable to some people. When the patent wasn’t renewed in the mid to late 30’s, other cars immediately started putting headlights integral to fender metal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) The Series 81 was a warmed over S80 (1925-27) to get another year out of an obsolete platform. It had an aluminum head (corrosion issues) secured by studs and nuts (problems removing [especially] an aluminum head from a car whose cooling system has not been very well maintained), and aluminum rods. It does have a Stromberg O-3 carb with a choke, replacing the adjustable main jet Pierce-Stromberg unit used in S80. Same gearing as S80 (4.45, 4.64, 4.88 depending on where the car was sold--no owner option) with 20" wheels, so cruising speed is 45 at best with the fastest 4.45 gears. The bracketed headlights on this car are AGA [brand] discussed a few weeks ago on another thread, and are very high quality. A local friend has them on a 1928 81 conv coupe and I think they were the P-A option for non-fender-mount headlights. These are properly proportioned and are MUCH more attractive in person than in these photos, especially when cleaned and polished. On a S81 (only), I prefer the AGAs to the one-year-only small-visored fender-mounted headlights. From the limited photographs, I can't tell the cause of the tweaked front bumper, but it *could* be as simple as a broken coil spring in the "1 mile per hour" bumpers that Pierce used from about 1914 thru 1928. Each side of the bumper has a cast boomerang-shaped mounting arm which pivots on the spreader tube between the front frame horns, and movement of the bumper in parking situations is resisted by a VERY heavy coil spring. So the bumper will give about 1.5 inches and rotate *up* to protect the front fender tips. If the cause is a broken boomerang casting, not a real problem because it's the same as 1925-27 S80. Edited February 9, 2022 by Grimy fix typo (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I have never seen a model 81 with bracket lights before, not a fan. Unlike many I liked the 28 "streamlined" styling including the smaller fender lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Don, you're our authority on S81 since you had a nice one. Can you comment further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63RedBrier Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 So, Grimy, just to be clear, the original buyer of the subject PA could have bought this PA with bracket mounted headlights instead of the fender mounted headlights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, 63RedBrier said: So, Grimy, just to be clear, the original buyer of the subject PA could have bought this PA with bracket mounted headlights instead of the fender mounted headlights? Yes, indeed. Here is a 1928 catalog-custom Phillips convertible coupe with the same AGA headlights. Even in the late 1910s, bracketed drum headlights were available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The fender-mounted versus bracket-mounted headlights are a polarizing matter of taste. The 81's smaller, visored headlights are less imposing in appearance. But personally, the feature that renders the 81 less attractive is that integrated heavy brow sun-visor and those downward sloped upper door frames. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 19 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: The fender-mounted versus bracket-mounted headlights are a polarizing matter of taste. The 81's smaller, visored headlights are less imposing in appearance. But personally, the feature that renders the 81 less attractive is that integrated heavy brow sun-visor and those downward sloped upper door frames. I just love that sunvisor. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 11:46 AM, Grimy said: Don, you're our authority on S81 since you had a nice one. Can you comment further? George, I am certainly no authority compared to yourself. My 81 was my first prewar car ever which was a really big bite for someone with NO PA knowledge! I bought it because I loved the unique styling and the amazing rarity factor for all PA cars. My car had been "restored" by the PO with lots of amateur enthusiasm but very little accuracy. I got it running and driving but it was never more than a round the block car, I sold it for about what this guy is asking and it wound up becoming a parts car... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 hours ago, TexRiv_63 said: George, I am certainly no authority compared to yourself. My 81 was my first prewar car ever which was a really big bite for someone with NO PA knowledge! I bought it because I loved the unique styling and the amazing rarity factor for all PA cars. My car had been "restored" by the PO with lots of amateur enthusiasm but very little accuracy. I got it running and driving but it was never more than a round the block car, I sold it for about what this guy is asking and it wound up becoming a parts car Oh no! Sounds like @edinmass got hold of it! 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Grimy said: Oh no! Sounds like @edinmass got hold of it! 🙂 Nope.....I only do 8’s & 12’s. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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