edinmass Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: That 'Chrysler' is a 1930 Buick. Bottom photo…… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 8:50 AM, 58L-Y8 said: Ed: Any identification of this coachbuilder? I'll guess Willoughby. Steve Is the Auburn like bead on the hood stock on all Lincolns or unique to this body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Is the Auburn like bead on the hood stock on all Lincolns or unique to this body? As far as I know, it's unique. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Looks like a Canadian Model-T, based on the hinged driver's side door. The photo appears to speak to a time of hard living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 How Motor Meter collecting started. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 22 hours ago, LCK81403 said: Looks like a Canadian Model-T, based on the hinged driver's side door. The photo appears to speak to a time of hard living. All the 1926-27 Fords had four working doors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Make and location unknown, looks like a steamer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, twin6 said: Make and location unknown, looks like a steamer. Looks like Bennington Vermont Battlefield Monument......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, edinmass said: Looks like Bennington Vermont Battlefield Monument......... I agree, and he is sitting on the passenger side holding the tiller for no reason. Any idea where this monument is? Photo was taken on the 1950 Glidden Tour, the 1912 T is in my garage as I type this. Bob Edited June 13, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I don't think it's the Bennington Battle Monument. The top is shaped differently, and there's no opening for the observation room. Don't know where the 1950 Glidden photo was taken. I'm not much help today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Thanks to Neil Settle on Flickr for this one. "Nash Kelvinator prototype automobile air conditioning unit circa 1930 factory photo." Since the Kelvinator Division made appliances, including refrigerators, it’s ironic that Packard was first to make AC a production option in 1940. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 5:47 PM, edinmass said: Look close, an aftermarket seat cover kit. In my neighborhood we call that “creamed” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 5:48 PM, edinmass said: Parts is parts. The credo of any junk man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 From a facebook page of old NY pics - "Broadway and Hotel Victoria, New York City ca.1905" The wiki page about NY plates says 1910 was the first year for state issued plates. The plate on this car fits the pattern of the 1910-thru 1912 issues but looks to be a light colour. I guess the plate on the car is an 'owner supplied' one. I guess, as happened here in NZ, there was enough demand that there were businesses that would make plates for you. Vehicle registration plates of New York - Wikipedia Any ideas what the car might be? Maybe a Kreiger electric cab? I am guessing that is hand crank piano on the cart on the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1912Staver Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Thanks to Neil Settle on Flickr for this one. "Nash Kelvinator prototype automobile air conditioning unit circa 1930 factory photo." Since the Kelvinator Division made appliances, including refrigerators, it’s ironic that Packard was first to make AC a production option in 1940. Complete with its own air cooled, gas engine power { Briggs and Straton I believe }.. No parasitic drag on the cars engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 Gillig top - that is a new one for me! thanks Ed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Walt G said: Gillig top - that is a new one for me! thanks Ed. Gillig is a local (to me) company, founded in San Francisco in 1890 but no longer family owned. My generation knows of their school buses built approx 1932-1992. Now they build transit buses. A short-read history is on Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillig 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 This one is a mid 1920s Peugeot Type 172 Quadrilette. From the registration plate the photo may have been taken in the Dijon area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 21 hours ago, edinmass said: Ed: Is the top on your 1915 White by Gillig? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 22 hours ago, edinmass said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Still trying to figure that out. It’s certainly possible that some of the hardware is identical. There is also a company in Cleveland that was doing the exact same thing. I’m sure I’ll get it figured out over time. Edited June 15, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Just now, edinmass said: Still trying to figure that out. It’s certainly possible that some of the hardware is identical. Like from the top to the frame and radiator to tail light. Give it up. It’s 1918 or later. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edinmass Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, George K said: Like from the top to the frame and radiator to tail light. Give it up. It’s 1918 or later. George……I have more casting dates I haven’t posted yet………..it’s a 1914 40hp chassis(one year only). Not a 45 hp chassis. With the engine casting date I can make the cut. The other 15 with the same chassis and dash has been in the club since the 50’s. We will be back on it next month after the Pierce meet in California. Phil and I want to run it up against your current project………..we will lose, but it will be a fun time. Most importantly, we will drive it like we stole it. 😎 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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George K Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, edinmass said: George……I have more casting dates I haven’t posted yet………..it’s a 1914 40hp chassis(one year only). Not a 45 hp chassis. With the engine casting date I can make the cut. The other 15 with the same chassis and dash has been in the club since the 50’s. We will be back on it next month after the Pierce meet in California. Phil and I want to run it up against your current project………..we will lose, but it will be a fun time. Most importantly, we will drive it like we stole it. 😎 Only good number on your car is the engine # which is mid to late 1917 production. No White automobile has a side cowl vent till 1918. Do your homework and get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Problem is the wheels on the car were only used in 1914. As well as the rear end. Steering column is also 1914. The pressurized fuel system isn’t shown on any White literature, as is the dual plug head, and then there is the 15 casting date……which is in a different location from all the other known engines. Frame is the same length as the 1914 40 hp model. Then there is the 1914 front axel, spindles, ect. Ultimately…….it is what it is…….a one of a kind car, with a casting date on the engine from 1915……….also has the small brake drums and linkages of the 1914 40 hp model. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, edinmass said: Problem is the wheels on the car were only used in 1914. As well as the rear end. Steering column is also 1914. The pressurized fuel system isn’t shown on any White literature, as is the dual plug head, and then there is the 15 casting date……which is in a different location from all the other known engines. Frame is the same length as the 1914 40 hp model. Then there is the 1914 front axel, spindles, ect. Ultimately…….it is what it is…….a one of a kind car, with a casting date on the engine from 1915……….also has the small brake drums and linkages of the 1914 40 hp model. It’s what you said it is.A truck. Here’s a list of White commercial vehicles tires. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 45 minutes ago, edinmass said: It’s much smaller than a truck chassis……especially the wheels and hubs………the wheel bearings are much smaller than the 1917. So far I have personally inspected three 30 hp cars one 13 and two 15’s. It’s not a 30 chassis. (Early on I thought it was) I have seen two 45hp cars………both 1916’s. The front and rear end are not 45’s and neither is the steering box/wheel. I’m supposed to go see two 60 hp cars (in line six) in the next six to eight weeks. One is a 13 and the other is a 16. Really don’t know what to expect till I get my hands on them…….but they have bigger tires and hubs than this car……….to be honest……I think this is a bunch of parts tossed together at the factory………the other dual plug car was unavailable to me when I went to look at it last week due to a family emergency. That car has the same fuel system, wheel and box, dual plug head. The funny headlights on the car were patented in 1913 and fist installed in mid 1914 from what I have seen……but there are no less than five different electric headlights that are unique to white from 14 to 18 and no consistent install dates on them. The entire car is much smaller than my 17….. Buick size ……..it almost looks like a mid range priced/size car compared to the 17 which is basically similar in size to a Crane, Winton, Pierce or similar car. Body construction isn’t as good as the Rubay body……….windshield is smaller than the 1917 but very similar. Measuring the windshield compared to the 1916 30 it was larger. The wheels on this car are 1914 Goodyear’s that were last made in March/April(so I have been told), and are different construction than the 1917 wheels. The 17 is the flanged inner with a ring and lock ring on the outside…..the more modern version of the ‘straight sidewall’ style tire while the small car has the two reversible rings and lock ring to go either clincher or straight wall. So maybe truck wheels from 1915 as the truck reference is the only 24 inch wheel reference I have ever seen for a White vehicle…….all the car info shows no 24 inch except 1914 40hp chassis…………the listing above for trucks sure reads like Firestone rims. The small car has Goodyear rims. Then there is the possibility it’s a “estate car/truck” chassis with a car body instead of the multi purpose bodies they were building. Is there any material that is exclusive to the estate built lines? I have posted the advertisements for them, but haven’t seen anything else on them. You have Firestone rims. The body is Rubay. The rest is whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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