mribbich@wi.rr.com Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Could someone post some pictures of Buick engine lifters in the 1920"s ?????? Thanks!!! Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Marv: Here are photos of the roller lifter and sleeve from a 1924 6 cylinder engine. Pretty much the same design back into the early teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) I have these pictures too that someone sent me. 1925 vs 1928 roller lifters. Improvements to 1924 lifters for 1925. They should have 6 digit numbers on one side, and a U shaped piece opposite the numbers that us used to keep them straight. Hugh Edited October 26, 2017 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Roller cam followers in the 20's ? Buick really was on the leading edge !!!!! Mike in Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 And Mike, you haven't heard the best part yet. I picked up an almost new camshaft and camshaft gear for my 1916 D-45 off evilbay a couple years ago. I ended up sending it down to Competition Cams in Memphis to have it thoroughly checked out. They checked it for straightness, checked the bearing surfaces for roundness, magnafluxed it to check for any cracks or fissures, and then they micro-polished it for me. I was told that the cam was/is in absolute perfect condition. While they had it in their experimental department where they did everything to it, the Chief Engineer had a chance to look it over. What he told the guys really surprised them and me too. He told them that the technology used at that point in time at Buick really did not come into common practice until the late 1930's on other American built automobiles and trucks. It seems that Mr. Marr knew something about holding the exhaust valve open a bit longer to get a better scavenging effect in the cylinders. I'm totally convinced that this had everything to do with Buick engines being the powerhouse that they were for the time. When I told the guys about the roller lifter system that was used, they just about couldn't believe it. The coolest thing about this whole experience was that they only charged me $35.00 plus the shipping back to me for everything they did. Way cool. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mribbich@wi.rr.com Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 The lifters I have have no holes or markings on them could they be aftermarket ones or did some other make car use them also and what years?????? Thanks!!! Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 6:50 PM, FLYER15015 said: Roller cam followers in the 20's ? Buick really was on the leading edge !!!!! Mike in Colorado My 1908 Buick Model F has roller lifters along with my '15 truck, and '18 truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1924 6-55 Sport Tourer Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Im well into the engine rebuild on my '24 Master. New pistons, block bored, camshaft re-ground etc. The engine is now in a cradle waiting for me to deliver it to the engineer in 17 days time. A 938 km trip from home which includes an overnight trip on a ferry to get to mainland Australia. One of the tasks i need to do is find replacement rollers. Mine are like picture 3, some have galling and some have worn out rollers. Some are usable, but its easier to replace them all whilst the engine is apart. My question to you guys is - "who is the go to guy for replacement rollers"? No doubt i can get them made here in Australia, but sometimes its just easier if someone is already set up with the tooling etc to get the job done. Any ideas? David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Larry Schramm said: My 1908 Buick Model F has roller lifters along with my '15 truck, and '18 truck. This should also put the ZDDP oil additive controversy to bed for Buicks too. Flat-Tappet Cams "The design of flat-tappet cams makes them especially vulnerable to wear. As the name indicates, the tappet – or lifter – is flat. During operation the surface of the cam lobe slides rapidly over the surface of the tappet, producing high friction and temperatures. The camshaft and lifters are responsible for triggering the precisely tuned movements of the valvetrain Without the protective film barrier provided by ZDDP, the cams and lifters wear from the force of operation, negatively affecting cam and valve operation. Because most V-8 engines of the muscle car era came standard with flat-tappet cams, the problem is especially prevalent to classic-car and hot-rod owners." From: https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/classic-and-vintage/articles/reduced-zddp-and-wear-protection/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bourque Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 David When I rebuilt my 25 Master I could not find new rollers/shafts. Had new ones made. Make sure they "run true" before installing in your engine. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 And make sure that whoever makes these rollers for you gets the right heat treat on them. They are a ground finish on the OD. You cannot run two pieces of hard material against each other without having some serious problems. Check the old rollers very close on the HRC scale. You do not want to tear up the camshaft. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1924 6-55 Sport Tourer Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Jim and Terry, Thanks for your advice. I had already planned for that to occur, but it's a timely reminder for those contemplating this to think ahead. I was just thinking that if there is already someone outhere who can help it just saves time and effort by having to do it all again. Regards David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 9:30 AM, Hubert_25-25 said: I have these pictures too that someone sent me. 1925 vs 1928 roller lifters. Improvements to 1924 lifters for 1925. They should have 6 digit numbers on one side, and a U shaped piece opposite the numbers that us used to keep them straight. Hugh Are u going to use some supper polish on yours Hue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 10/28/2017 at 1:40 PM, 1924 6-55 Sport Tourer said: Any ideas? did u find some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1924 6-55 Sport Tourer Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Thank you for asking, The engine was delivered mid November. Extensive work to be done. The engineer is also going to make a complete set of rollers for me (it's just more expense that has to be done) while he is at it. Still yet to locate some better lifters, but at least i can progress on the engine whilst i am waiting. Now is a good opportunity to put it out there, that if anyone has 1, 2 3 or more good/half decent ones that i could use and that they would be interested in selling, please let me know. In the interim i still have enough to keep me occupied. I picked up my newly recored radiator at the same time and now need to concentrate on getting the surround repaired. Nothing money wont fix??. Then onto the body. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 10 hours ago, 1924 6-55 Sport Tourer said: Thank you for asking, The engine was delivered mid November. Extensive work to be done. The engineer is also going to make a complete set of rollers for me (it's just more expense that has to be done) while he is at it. Still yet to locate some better lifters, but at least i can progress on the engine whilst i am waiting. Now is a good opportunity to put it out there, that if anyone has 1, 2 3 or more good/half decent ones that i could use and that they would be interested in selling, please let me know. In the interim i still have enough to keep me occupied. I picked up my newly recored radiator at the same time and now need to concentrate on getting the surround repaired. Nothing money wont fix??. Then onto the body. David. Where abouts are you having the work done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1924 6-55 Sport Tourer Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hidden Hunter, I took the engine to Edge Machining in Dookie. I had heard good reports and after visiting, dropping off the engine and talking specs i was quietly impressed. I suppose time will, but i am not in the least bit worried. I will provide photos once i get it home. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 How do you know the old rollers are worn out and need to be replaced? As long as the rollers turn and don't have play, and there isn't any sign that the wheel is worn down, why not just put the old ones back? Maybe I was lucky with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On the spares I had from my spare 1924 engine some had about .003 play. Others had over .020 and the "axle" was noticeably worn on one side. The shop in Cazanovia NY. has not indicated how many will need redone on the 1925 Standard engine yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well, I have 12 spares for the 242 engine (6 cylinder 1918-1924) if anybody needs. Don't know how much to charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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