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On 1/19/2017 at 9:25 PM, gwells said:

I received the museum's letter yesterday and read it tonight.

 

2) Exactly what was the reason Tom Cox was voted off the musuem BoD, "under section 2.6.2 of [the museum's] bylaws." Not going to bother to research the museum's bylaws, but seems logical he was removed for "cause." Anyone know what that cause is? I have met Tom, and know of his activities in other fields, and would be surprised to learn he was removed for clearly objectionable actions.

 

The Museum Board in addition to being self appointed, may remove a sitting Board member for any reason whatsoever (neither is conducive to good practice in my opinion). In this case, the Museum leadership never bothered to contact me regarding their intentions or reasoning. They did however have one of their members call to ask if I was attending that particular meeting, which I was not. I'm sure they were emboldened by my absence. I might add that I have since found their vote was not unanimous.

 

In absentia, the Museum leadership elected to shoot the messenger, but never had the fortitude to contact me prior to or after their actions, which speaks volumes. Museum leadership made this a personal issue, and took the opportunity to take a swipe at the entire club as this decision was made with full knowledge that I would be National President again this year. Such an action is also very telling about how they were postured for future discussions,...or lack thereof.

 

I could say more, but it serves no higher purpose. Just know that as always, I put the hobby and the membership first, and in this case suffered the consequences of carrying out the duties of my job representing the will of the Board on behalf of the membership. I look forward to our future, as the Club and our Library continue to be very consequential to the entire worldwide automotive hobby. 

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I just received the AACA Magazine in the Mail today.

The explanation given there in was well stated. I don't see that anything more is needed to be said.

Well done!

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We received The Antique Automobile magazine in the mail late this afternoon.  I must say that I am really bummed out by the article.  Why you ask?  Well, there wasn't any deep, dark secret revealed that no one knew anything about.  Everything that was contained in the magazine article has been hashed out here in this thread umpteen times over.  So, nothing new was brought up.  We also got something else in the mail, but, this was from the AACA Museum.  It was not a letter stating their side of this saga like some of you have mentioned on here of getting.  No, this was a three page, fold out, color brochure advertising the AACA Museum.  On the inside left hand side of the first page there is a complete listing of their Board of Directors members.  After reading all of the names from top to bottom it immediately came into focus WHY and WHO the problem is in this situation.  I am not going to mention any names (gotta be politically correct you know), but there is more than one person here that if you looked at the South end of a horse that is running North and then looked at these persons, you could not tell any difference in what and who you were looking at.  I think that was cleaned up rather nicely.  So long as certain individuals are involved with the museum, the AACA Board will get absolutely nowhere.  I commend the AACA Board for cutting their losses and moving on.  I personally am more interested in The AACA Library anyway.  I think the AACA Board is heading in the right direction in getting a new administrative headquarters and library complex underway.  Mr. Cox, I feel awful for you in the way that you have been treated in this ordeal.  I could say more but I won't.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

AACA Life Member

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On 1/20/2017 at 1:47 PM, TomCox said:

The Museum Board in addition to being self appointed, may remove a sitting Board member for any reason whatsoever (neither is conducive to good practice in my opinion). In this case, the Museum leadership never bothered to contact me regarding their intentions or reasoning....


It sounds as if the museum needs to have better by-laws.

By-laws should protect against animosity and its

opposite, personal attachment.  The correct idea is to enforce

order, justice, and democracy, and protect everyone's rights.

 

According to Robert's Rules of Order, members have

a right to trial when they are accused of wrong-doing.

Such an occurrence should be very rare.  However,

the accused has the right to due process--to be notified

of the charges, given time to prepare his defense,

and be allowed to appear to defend himself.

[From Robert's Rules of Order Simplified and Applied,

by Robert McConnell Productions]  And removing a person

from membership requires a two-thirds vote.

 

And if no one did anything wrong, why would he be removed?

Does the museum board use Robert's?  Do parts of their by-laws

supersede Robert's, or did they not follow the proper procedure?

Without a hearing as above, I hate to say, the removal

may well have been through animosity, and at the least,

gives a bad impression.

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22 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said:

We received The Antique Automobile magazine in the mail late this afternoon.  I must say that I am really bummed out by the article.  Why you ask?  Well, there wasn't any deep, dark secret revealed that no one knew anything about.  Everything that was contained in the magazine article has been hashed out here in this thread umpteen times over.  So, nothing new was brought up.  We also got something else in the mail, but, this was from the AACA Museum.  It was not a letter stating their side of this saga like some of you have mentioned on here of getting.  No, this was a three page, fold out, color brochure advertising the AACA Museum.  On the inside left hand side of the first page there is a complete listing of their Board of Directors members.  After reading all of the names from top to bottom it immediately came into focus WHY and WHO the problem is in this situation.  I am not going to mention any names (gotta be politically correct you know), but there is more than one person here that if you looked at the South end of a horse that is running North and then looked at these persons, you could not tell any difference in what and who you were looking at.  I think that was cleaned up rather nicely.  So long as certain individuals are involved with the museum, the AACA Board will get absolutely nowhere.  I commend the AACA Board for cutting their losses and moving on.  I personally am more interested in The AACA Library anyway.  I think the AACA Board is heading in the right direction in getting a new administrative headquarters and library complex underway.  Mr. Cox, I feel awful for you in the way that you have been treated in this ordeal.  I could say more but I won't.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

AACA Life Member

Terry,

 

I just got home from the NC Region Annual Business meeting. At the meeting, I was just able to interact with a lot of AACA Members who are not active on the forum. I think that the magazine article should be very informative to those "average members" who have been waiting to see the club's response to the "propoganda" that they have received from the museum.  As regular forum readers, I think we can easily lose sight of the fact that most AACA Members are not on the forum and thus have been more "out of the loop" on this issue much more so than the forum members.

 

Upon my return home, I too discovered that I had received more mail from the AACA Museum. I was surprised and upset to see that in addition to their previous propoganda mailing, they seem to have added me to their regular mailing list without my approval. I would have to guess from the fact that you and I both received their slick, glossy "Winter 2017 Reflections", they have most likely added all AACA Members to their mailing list without authorization of AACA or approval of the members. They may be publicly trying to minimize the effect of the loss of funding from the club and they may say that they are not worried about the removal of the club's contributions but their actions sound to me like they are quite concerned.

 

I plan to mail a letter to the Museum (as well as to each of their board members personally) informing them that due to their positions on this issue, I will never make any other financial or other contributions to the Museum. I plan to lobby to make sure that my local Chapter and the Regions that I am a member of also do likewise. I will also demand to be removed from their mailing list. I think that the Museum board needs to be told that their propoganda has been ineffective and that by and large, AACA Members are not going to support the museum until their board of directors changes their direction. When they realize the consequences of their actions, maybe they will change their tune.  It may do no good, but the Postal Service is going to be busy.

 

Hopefully the museum will change their leadership and/or their board's direction. Maybe this will enable the Club and the Museum to again have a cordial "family" relationship at some time in the future. I don't expect it  to happen soon, but I certainly think that they will eventually realize that they have made a serious mistake with dire financial consequences for their future.  

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Just curious, was legally assessing a portion of land on the Museum campus as a subdivision for purchase by the Club for headquarters/library construction never an option?  The club and Museum could then have continued as separate entities with the "family" intact.  Isn't this what was done for the Hershey Region headquarters?  I don't know.  I also wonder how the Hershey Region feels about all of this, considering they are neighbors?

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1 hour ago, lovesolderplymouths said:

... I also wonder how the Hershey Region feels about all of this, considering they are neighbors?

 

Good point, since the Hershey Region's clubhouse

is right next to the museum.  Are any of their services

(lawn mowing, driveway maintenance, etc.) shared?

 

Their proximity should mean they'll try harder to appreciate each other.

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1 hour ago, lovesolderplymouths said:

Just curious, was legally assessing a portion of land on the Museum campus as a subdivision for purchase by the Club for headquarters/library construction never an option?  The club and Museum could then have continued as separate entities with the "family" intact. 

 

The museum turned down the club's request to buy land to locate a new headquarters/library building on the museum campus.

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My understanding is a number of years ago the club approached the museum about purchasing a parcel and was refused as they had other plans for that parcel. Now they are wanting to "give" that same parcel to  the club.  I looked at the tax records and it didn't show how Hershey Region got their land other than it was a Sheriff  sale. I did note that the land value of the 17.8 acres is $114,400. My question would be how the museum came up with 2-3 acres being worth $1M+.  I can't imagine Dauphin  county assessing the land at 11% of market value. https://gis.dauphincounty.org/dauphincountyparcelviewer/ 

 

Edited:  Matt got his posted before me.

 

Edit #2: there was a discussion here about location/townships. The museum is in Hanover Township.

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It was my understanding from the earlier Postings in the Forum, and the Museum's Documents, that what the Museum wanted the Club to do was build a 3 story addition to the existing Museum Building so that they could use 1/3rd of the new addition, the first story at ground level, for their own expansion at our cost? This would have given the Museum control over our space and some authority to be involved in our intentions.

See Documents in GRIMY's post #185   DOC #1, page 4

 

Absolutely, Not a good deal for the Club, as the Board of Directors correctly responded to.

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Well, I finally got around to reading the letter I received a few weeks ago from the AACA Museum, explaining its position in this situation of the Museum merging with the Club, or vice versa.  This letter was most enlightening since it only confirms to me what Steve Moskowitz has been explaining in his Posts Nos. 461,475 and 487.  The letter from the Museum also makes it clear that the "grant" of 3 acres of land to the Club for the construction of the Club's new headquarters and library, was extremely conditional.  The conditions of the "grant" were such that if several conditions were not met by future Club operations, the " ... real estate would revert to the ownership of the Museum ... ". 

 

One thing that I noticed in the Museum's letter (dated December 29, 2016) to Club members, is the apparent intent of the Museum to become the dominant organization, with the Club being subservient to the Museum's Board of Directors.  I reached this conclusion via reading the contents of the third paragraph of that letter:  ":Two and a half years ago, we (the Museum) began exploring ways to bring the Club and Library and Research Center together with the Museum on OUR (emphasis mine) campus."  The next sentence winds up with "and move the Club and Library to a separate wing within OUR (emphasis mine) building".

 

I am now convinced, beyond reasonable doubt (in what's left of my mind:P), that what the AACA Board Members and Moderators have been saying on this thread is the correct story.  I appreciate their participation in this thread and allowing it to continue on and on ...

 

Cheers,

Grog

 

 

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Don't think this has been mentioned before, but I have been told (and this is third or fourth hand info, so keep that in mind) that the club asked the museum to submit the issues between the two parties to arbitration and that the museum's BoD refused to agree to this. Can anyone confirm this information?

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Yes, I admit that without some research I can't remember which document I read it in, but yes the club merger committee made an offer to submit the issue to arbitration and the museum board made additional unreasonable demands and refused to participate in arbitration as requested by the club's merger committee.

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Not quite accurate guys.  It is very important that everything here is truthful. A member of AACA wanted to act as a mediator and get the parties together.  One of our representatives was a mediator and was going to represent us and actually everyone to try and get a settlement.  As was correctly stated, the museum's terms to meet were onerous as they required money from us and an unwillingness to hold harmless our volunteer representatives.

 

I have never heard anyone against mediation or binding arbitration on the national board side.  This never seemed a viable option anyway as it would have meant both sides wanted it fixed. 

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I'm hearing about these mailings from the museum, but I have received nothing.  I assume this is because I have supported the club's position and the current AACA Board in this matter.  How high handed can those people be?  I joined the Board in 1995 when the museum was an embryo idea.  I worked to raise money, knew others who made major donations.  I mean, how did that museum get built?  It's time to move on.

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5 hours ago, Dynaflash8 said:

I'm hearing about these mailings from the museum, but I have received nothing.  

 

Mine came just last week, at least 2 weeks

after some people reported receiving the mailing.

A mailing that large might be being sent out

in subsets.  You'll probably get yours, Dyna.

 

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44 minutes ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

Mine came just last week, at least 2 weeks

after some people reported receiving the mailing.

A mailing that large might be being sent out

in subsets.  You'll probably get yours, Dyna.

 

 

After what they have suggested about myself and the other AACA Board members, I welcome a letter from them. I will be sure to respond and let the museum know how I feel about being treated the way they treated AACA. My life has been going along sweetly in the hobby since before 2001, and I have visited the museum many times. I have made donations and I was happy with the World with Wayne. Now, after they finally showed an interest in everyone combining forces, they take shots at  us and ridicule all of us after the fact. That is uncalled for. I still need to stop by and see if MY membership card will get me in???

 

This has been going on for a month now, and they just can not move on and leave it alone! My 2 cents.

 

Wayne

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7 hours ago, Dynaflash8 said:

I'm hearing about these mailings from the museum, but I have received nothing.  I assume this is because I have supported the club's position and the current AACA Board in this matter.  How high handed can those people be?  I joined the Board in 1995 when the museum was an embryo idea.  I worked to raise money, knew others who made major donations.  I mean, how did that museum get built?  It's time to move on.

 

Yep. Lots of people donated or raised thousands of dollars. Those people over at the Museum don't care.  I looked at their Board list on their website, and I cant say that I have ever seen but one of them at an AACA event, and he is a judge. The rest of those people are ghosts...not involved with the club. I googled some of them, and one of them is a big Concours d'elegance guy. I've never seen him at an AACA event. I guess we're too low rent for him. They want our money though, or they wouldn't keep sending out propaganda letters trashing the clubs board.

Most people I talk to think the museum has overstayed its welcome in their mailbox. I agree...everyone should send a message and tell them to take them off their mailing and email list.

Go away museum....I agree with Dynaflash. Lets move on  

 

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I am hoping that once the excitement dies down and those who see the museum as an ego building monument to their immortality move on to greater things it may be possible for the museum and the AACA  to cooperate again. I would like to see figures on how many cars have actually been donated to the museum, and how many are on long term loan, and who actually owns what. 

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I don't know if it will do any good but I think that an idea from the NC Region Annual Meeting is a good one. The NC Region suggests its members to write letters to all of the Museum Board Members. I agree that putting them on notice that their recent actions have consequences is a good idea. I have letters going out in today's mail to the Museum's Executive Director and each of the Museum Board Members. Here is my message to them:

"Due to the recent actions of the Board of Directors of the AACA Museum, Inc., I wish to be removed from any and all mailing lists, email distribution lists, or other contact information lists that you may have.

Over the years, I have been personally responsible for some cash contributions as well as non-cash contributions to the AACA Museum, Inc. I have also previously encouraged the Cape Fear Chapter AACA, NC Region AACA, as well as my fellow members of both of those AACA clubs to make donations to the AACA Museum, Inc. 

I am unhappy with the actions of the board of directors of the AACA Museum, Inc. The museum board’s actions clearly display a lack of appreciation of the financial and other contributions of the Club, its Regions, its Chapters, as well as those of the individual members of those groups over the lifetime of the museum.

Until a change of leadership or a change in the leadership’s direction back towards a cooperative working relationship with AACA occurs, I will no longer be a financial supporter of the AACA Museum, Inc.    

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

 

Matthew C. Hinson"

In case anybody else is interested in their mailing addresses here you go...

Jeffrey Bliemeister 161 Museum Drive Hershey, PA 17033
Alan Brechbill 479 English Ivy Court Hummelstown, PA 17036
William D. Cammack PO Box 74 Fort Valley, VA 22652
Richie Clyne 950 Rancho Circle Las Vegas, NV 89107-4620
J. Thomas Collins 800 Avondale Road, Apt 4K Wallingford, PA 19086
William H. Edmunds 678 Stoverdale Road Hummelstown, PA 17036
Hank Hallowell 688 Heiden Drive Hummelstown, PA 17036
Edward Lacey 160 Lamb Tavern Lane Glenmoore, PA 19343
Albert Porter 1 Kellocks Run Road Hummelstown, PA 17036
William  Rothermel 548 Wallingford Road Lancaster, PA 17601-3526
Ms. Toni Rothman 4 Kerlin Court Garnet Valley, PA 19060-1339
Donald E. Schell 1700 Olmsted Way West Camp Hill, PA 17011
Richard P. Sills PO Box 6446 Lancaster, PA 17607-6446
William H. Smith 2083 Schoolhouse Road Middletown, PA 17057-3633
Dale J. Yingst 1341 East Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078
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Our Region voted last night to have nothing more to do with the Museum, including our yearly $500 donation to support upkeep of a car.  We also supported our President sending a letter asking for our $500 this year to be returned.  The vote was Unanimous.  Also, I never got the letter, but a past president of another region sent it to me by email.  I agree with the comments by Jim Jones above, and I still feel the club should cut it losses, separate and move on with a necessary facility elsewhere in the Hershey area.  The club owns the current headquarters and library building, and some of the cost of the new facility could be repaid when the current facility is sold.  I think any legal action would be debilitating to the treasury, as well as their of course.  Avoid legal costs anywhere possible unless it is a quick slam dunk deal.....and legal action never is.

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17 hours ago, Restorer32 said:

... I would like to see figures on how many cars have actually been donated to the museum,

and how many are on long term loan, and who actually owns what. 

 

Good idea.  That would be interesting.

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In the end everyone, the deed is done.  We have separated ourselves from the museum but wish them great success.  Anything that will help preserve this hobby and introduce our wonderful cars to the public is of service to the automotive community.  AACA will now concentrate even more on how to grow our club and provide the best service and benefits to our members as possible. AACA has tried to present the facts, not make this personal in any way and to handle our business ethically and responsibly.

 

This is a big year for the club with the introduction of the Zenith Award competition and the first ever joint AACA and CCCA meet. New awards for the HPOF/DPC classes (5 cards gets you a mug).  Moving forward is what we should be doing. Thanks for all the letters, calls and emails of support as it does mean a lot.

 

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