T head engines who used them?

[1912Staver]

Here is a restored version of what my basket case will hopefully look like some day. Teetor Hartley " T " head in a Staver Chicago. This one has a dual plug set up. Mine is a single plug , but it is really only a mater of fitting the correct Magneto and threading the other set of head plugs for the additional spark plugs to convert to dual plug. Some of the premium makes used a coil ignition for one set of sparkplugs and a Magneto for the other set.

 

Greg in Canada

Edited January 21, 2020 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[lump]

51 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:

Here is a restored version of what my basket case will hopefully look like some day. Teetor Hartley " T " head in a Staver Chicago. This one has a dual plug set up. Mine is a single plug , but it is really only a mater of fitting the correct Magneto and threading the other set of head plugs for the additional spark plugs to convert to dual plug. Some of the premium makes used a coil ignition for one set of sparkplugs and a Magneto for the other set.

 

Greg in Canada

Wow, fascinating info. Thanks, Greg. 

 

[playswithbrass]

40 hp T head in our 1912 McIntyre

[edinmass]

Interesting old post covering T head engines with someone asking about T heads with four valves per cylinder. Obviously my newly acquired White motor cars have the T Head Dual Valve set up. Interestingly, the valves are  not parallel to the cylinders but on a seven degree angle to further improve performance and cooling. It also increases the compression ratio significantly………my car is 5.7 to one according to my quick calculations…..if I pull it apart I will CC the head and get an exact number.

[Terry Harper]

1 hour ago, edinmass said:

Interestingly, the valves are  not parallel to the cylinders but on a seven degree angle to further improve performance and cooling.

That is interesting Ed. 

 

Here is my 18 liter Wisconsin (5-3/4"x7"). They made two versions - the model "P" which was intended for use in fire trucks etc. and the model "PT" which was intended for tractors and industrial applications. Interestingly Wisconsin produced T-heads well into the late 1920's. This one dates from 1926 and is serial number 1145. Like locomobile the crankcase is manganese bronze.

 

 

 

4 bolt caps on the connecting rods

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[1912Staver]

There used to be one of these in my area. I believe it came from a Fire Truck . It was at a local Vintage engine and Tractor club site. But I have not seen it for a number of years now.  I expect it is still around but no longer on public view.  They also have a good sized, tripple expansion marine engine.  It was salvaged from a small ship and put on display. I think it is currently closed to visitors due to covid. But a good way to spend a day during normal times. Normally open most weekends , but once a year they have a organised show weekend. Lots of engine displays, tractor pulls etc.

Atchlitz Threshermans Museum, Chilliwack B.C.  About an hour east of Vancouver City in the Fraser Valley

[edinmass]

Always liked the bronze crank case cars.......didn’t Winton use them also? Another fantastic car that few people have ever seen........I worked on a nice one about ten years ago.........it’s in Europe now.

[mikewest]

Here is a nice T-head Sterling  made in Buffalo NY . The motor  for my 1911 Sterling  chain drive speed car. Its a bronze  base as well. No oil pump , splash system. Above all the cam and main bearings are wells cast into the case so  she is gravity feed. Its dual ignition. It should make a good power plant. It came  from the office of a  friend,  Bob Kern, founder and CEO of Generac Corporation  in Wisc. He bought the motor in the 1970s  from The Henry Ford Museum  at a collection  decommission of excess  goods. He had  his boys take it completely apart and  " give it whatever it needs"  Its never been started  since .  I dont approve of the color..... oh well I change that. ( I dont know why the images came out turned)?????

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[Terry Harper]

 

Mike thats a heck of an engine and a magnificent find!

 

Catalog cuts for a Sterling Model "F" which is the big brother to Mikes engine. These big Sterlings T-heads were top quality and costly and intended for marine services though some where used in heavy equipment and industrial applications. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are the remains of a model "F". It's now under cover and the owner has quite a few of the missing pieces stored away. This one dates to about 1920.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[keithb7]

Thanks for sharing this interesting information. I've had little exposure to T-Head engines. It's interesting to see the large bore and stroke engines with relatively small HP numbers compared to what we are used to today. I quite enjoyed seeing the Stutz in Jay Leno's video. Seemed like it made great torque at a low RPM.

[LI_BENTLEY]

White made a 16 valve 4 in 1917/1918. A twin cam T head great engine, put them out of the car business.  The truck engines were L head same as earlier car engines. Posted before saw Ed's reply.

Edited December 26, 2021 by LI_BENTLEY (see edit history)

[konstantineaquavi]

On 10/27/2016 at 9:09 AM, Rusty_OToole said:

Around the WW1 era a number of quality cars used T head engines. Pierce Arrow, McFarlan, and Stutz had them. The subject was suggested by Jay Leno's recent show about a 1918 Stutz Bearcat. I was wondering what other cars used the T head especially with 4 valves per cylinder.  Showbox jiofi.local.html tplinklogin

The first time you see one in person it will leave you speechless

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by konstantineaquavi (see edit history)

[Sunchaser]

Here is a 1922 American LaFrance engine, 855 cu. in.

[George K]

On 12/25/2021 at 5:07 PM, edinmass said:

Always liked the bronze crank case cars.......didn’t Winton use them also? Another fantastic car that few people have ever seen........I worked on a nice one about ten years ago.........it’s in Europe now.

Here’s a project that has a Seagrave F6 bronze crankcase engine. In a Stevens Duryea big six chassis with a period sport wood body. Anyone interested let me know. I will never finish it. I too like bronze crankcase engines.

[George K]

Better shot of the 1013 ci. Seagrave. 

[Sunchaser]

DFD was the initials for the department I retired from, Dunedin Fire Dept.

[Bill Boudway]

 The'17 Locomobile, winner of the Zenith award, sports a t-head engine.

Restored and owned by John and Mary McAlpin

[STREAMLINER]

Hello guys! help me identify this motor. does anyone know what brand and model it is? It looks like a motor from 1905-1920. Found on the ground where battles took place in the First World War in Ukraine and Poland.

[1912Staver]

You might have to do a bit of detective work. Do you have access to it or do you just have photo's? My first step would to try to figure out a Country of origin. Bolt diameters and thread form as well as head hex size . That would at least help narrow it down to European , British , or American. 

[edinmass]

Most likely a WWI truck engine. Lots of obscure manufacturers participating in the war effort. Also, many civilian vehicles were donated or confiscated for war use. I would post photos on the UK military web site......they can probably figure it out.

[George K]

7 hours ago, MB Streamliner said:

Hello guys! help me identify this motor. does anyone know what brand and model it is? It looks like a motor from 1905-1920. Found on the ground where battles took place in the First World War in Ukraine and Poland.

I don’t know what make it is but I’m intrigued by the unique front mount making it a three point suspension. That should help ID it as well as the glad exhaust packing. Good luck.

[STREAMLINER]

nobody knows. Many have seen 6 cylinder engines from the First World War era.  There is an opinion that this is an engine from a tractor or from a generator. Produced after 1924. It is clearly seen that the engine is built on the principles of Rolls Royce Silver Gost. But this engine is not a Rolls Royce.

Edited January 13, 2022 by MB Streamliner (see edit history)