1912Staver Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Here is a restored version of what my basket case will hopefully look like some day. Teetor Hartley " T " head in a Staver Chicago. This one has a dual plug set up. Mine is a single plug , but it is really only a mater of fitting the correct Magneto and threading the other set of head plugs for the additional spark plugs to convert to dual plug. Some of the premium makes used a coil ignition for one set of sparkplugs and a Magneto for the other set. Greg in Canada Edited January 21, 2020 by 1912Staver (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, 1912Staver said: Here is a restored version of what my basket case will hopefully look like some day. Teetor Hartley " T " head in a Staver Chicago. This one has a dual plug set up. Mine is a single plug , but it is really only a mater of fitting the correct Magneto and threading the other set of head plugs for the additional spark plugs to convert to dual plug. Some of the premium makes used a coil ignition for one set of sparkplugs and a Magneto for the other set. Greg in Canada Wow, fascinating info. Thanks, Greg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playswithbrass Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 40 hp T head in our 1912 McIntyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Interesting old post covering T head engines with someone asking about T heads with four valves per cylinder. Obviously my newly acquired White motor cars have the T Head Dual Valve set up. Interestingly, the valves are not parallel to the cylinders but on a seven degree angle to further improve performance and cooling. It also increases the compression ratio significantly………my car is 5.7 to one according to my quick calculations…..if I pull it apart I will CC the head and get an exact number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Harper Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, edinmass said: Interestingly, the valves are not parallel to the cylinders but on a seven degree angle to further improve performance and cooling. That is interesting Ed. Here is my 18 liter Wisconsin (5-3/4"x7"). They made two versions - the model "P" which was intended for use in fire trucks etc. and the model "PT" which was intended for tractors and industrial applications. Interestingly Wisconsin produced T-heads well into the late 1920's. This one dates from 1926 and is serial number 1145. Like locomobile the crankcase is manganese bronze. 4 bolt caps on the connecting rods 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 There used to be one of these in my area. I believe it came from a Fire Truck . It was at a local Vintage engine and Tractor club site. But I have not seen it for a number of years now. I expect it is still around but no longer on public view. They also have a good sized, tripple expansion marine engine. It was salvaged from a small ship and put on display. I think it is currently closed to visitors due to covid. But a good way to spend a day during normal times. Normally open most weekends , but once a year they have a organised show weekend. Lots of engine displays, tractor pulls etc. Atchlitz Threshermans Museum, Chilliwack B.C. About an hour east of Vancouver City in the Fraser Valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Always liked the bronze crank case cars.......didn’t Winton use them also? Another fantastic car that few people have ever seen........I worked on a nice one about ten years ago.........it’s in Europe now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Here is a nice T-head Sterling made in Buffalo NY . The motor for my 1911 Sterling chain drive speed car. Its a bronze base as well. No oil pump , splash system. Above all the cam and main bearings are wells cast into the case so she is gravity feed. Its dual ignition. It should make a good power plant. It came from the office of a friend, Bob Kern, founder and CEO of Generac Corporation in Wisc. He bought the motor in the 1970s from The Henry Ford Museum at a collection decommission of excess goods. He had his boys take it completely apart and " give it whatever it needs" Its never been started since . I dont approve of the color..... oh well I change that. ( I dont know why the images came out turned)????? Edited December 26, 2021 by mikewest (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Harper Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Mike thats a heck of an engine and a magnificent find! Catalog cuts for a Sterling Model "F" which is the big brother to Mikes engine. These big Sterlings T-heads were top quality and costly and intended for marine services though some where used in heavy equipment and industrial applications. Here are the remains of a model "F". It's now under cover and the owner has quite a few of the missing pieces stored away. This one dates to about 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithb7 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Thanks for sharing this interesting information. I've had little exposure to T-Head engines. It's interesting to see the large bore and stroke engines with relatively small HP numbers compared to what we are used to today. I quite enjoyed seeing the Stutz in Jay Leno's video. Seemed like it made great torque at a low RPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LI_BENTLEY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) White made a 16 valve 4 in 1917/1918. A twin cam T head great engine, put them out of the car business. The truck engines were L head same as earlier car engines. Posted before saw Ed's reply. Edited December 26, 2021 by LI_BENTLEY (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konstantineaquavi Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) On 10/27/2016 at 9:09 AM, Rusty_OToole said: Around the WW1 era a number of quality cars used T head engines. Pierce Arrow, McFarlan, and Stutz had them. The subject was suggested by Jay Leno's recent show about a 1918 Stutz Bearcat. I was wondering what other cars used the T head especially with 4 valves per cylinder. Showbox jiofi.local.html tplinklogin The first time you see one in person it will leave you speechless Edited January 8, 2022 by konstantineaquavi (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunchaser Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Here is a 1922 American LaFrance engine, 855 cu. in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 On 12/25/2021 at 5:07 PM, edinmass said: Always liked the bronze crank case cars.......didn’t Winton use them also? Another fantastic car that few people have ever seen........I worked on a nice one about ten years ago.........it’s in Europe now. Here’s a project that has a Seagrave F6 bronze crankcase engine. In a Stevens Duryea big six chassis with a period sport wood body. Anyone interested let me know. I will never finish it. I too like bronze crankcase engines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Better shot of the 1013 ci. Seagrave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunchaser Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 DFD was the initials for the department I retired from, Dunedin Fire Dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Boudway Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The'17 Locomobile, winner of the Zenith award, sports a t-head engine. Restored and owned by John and Mary McAlpin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STREAMLINER Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Hello guys! help me identify this motor. does anyone know what brand and model it is? It looks like a motor from 1905-1920. Found on the ground where battles took place in the First World War in Ukraine and Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 You might have to do a bit of detective work. Do you have access to it or do you just have photo's? My first step would to try to figure out a Country of origin. Bolt diameters and thread form as well as head hex size . That would at least help narrow it down to European , British , or American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Most likely a WWI truck engine. Lots of obscure manufacturers participating in the war effort. Also, many civilian vehicles were donated or confiscated for war use. I would post photos on the UK military web site......they can probably figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 7 hours ago, MB Streamliner said: Hello guys! help me identify this motor. does anyone know what brand and model it is? It looks like a motor from 1905-1920. Found on the ground where battles took place in the First World War in Ukraine and Poland. I don’t know what make it is but I’m intrigued by the unique front mount making it a three point suspension. That should help ID it as well as the glad exhaust packing. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STREAMLINER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) nobody knows. Many have seen 6 cylinder engines from the First World War era. There is an opinion that this is an engine from a tractor or from a generator. Produced after 1924. It is clearly seen that the engine is built on the principles of Rolls Royce Silver Gost. But this engine is not a Rolls Royce. Edited January 13, 2022 by MB Streamliner (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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