studeq Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Though there are no production figures by body style for pre 1934 Studebakers we have determined by some extrapolation using the serial and body numbers that about 1500 '31 President Four Season roadsters were assembled. For many years Rex Miltenberger (Niles, MI) made it his responsibility to hunt down every known example and record the serial, engine and body numbers. According to his records there are 54 survivors. Over the years I have assembled photos of about 32 of these and they are shown below. Would be interested in seeing any additional photos or hearing of heretofore unknown cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Congratulations to both of you and thank you for sharing. It would be wonderful to get photos of the other twenty two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Interesting how the different color/wheel/tire combinations make them look so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Anyone that owns or spots a 31 roadster please attach a photo or contact me to update the roster. In the past the cars would change hands within the club. Mostly after the owner passing. The problem lately is the cars going through auctions and the auctions houses do not disclose the buyers. I not only keep the serial numbers, body numbers, and engine numbers, but also a owner history. Edited January 15, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Here's one you don't have. has no body tag sn 7034735 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Here's another. body 1103 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) another body 1054 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 another, This is in Spain. I found on a google search and do not know the owner. If anyone knows anything about this car please contact me. It might be a new one that is not on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Here another body 721 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Peters 31 speedway. body 1491 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) another body 316 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Ray Millers 31. Where is it now? body 1149 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You have all of these, I just thought it is a nice photo to include. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Here is a better one of Cades body 1220 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Bixleys 31 body 1470 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 One of my favorite 31 roadster photos. This is how to enjoy your cars on tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Here is another you don't have. body 1334 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Is this photo one of the cars that you posted photos of? body 324 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You have this one. It is my dad who was born 6 years before the car was built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) I am shocked that the number of cars produced was that high, and the survival rate is so low. They are great cars, and not often seen at the concours shows. There was one running around centeral Mass in the 90's with stainless Budd wheels, it might have been a 1932, it was all original. It was off white or light tan. Is that car still around or active? I don't have a photo, but I saw it at a CCCA local meet. Ed. Edited January 16, 2016 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I was shocked too when I heard the production numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Here is another one. Body 1141 Edited February 5, 2016 by studerex (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studeq Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Everyone who wants one has one. Some more than one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studica Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Better photo of 7037321 1491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studemax Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 One of our Midway Chapter members is awaiting the Four Seasons roadster he recently purchased... He's quite excited to have acquired the "Holy Grail of Studebakers". as he puts it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Studemax said: One of our Midway Chapter members is awaiting the Four Seasons roadster he recently purchased... He's quite excited to have acquired the "Holy Grail of Studebakers". as he puts it. I like the 31 a lot. But isn't the 32 the "holy grail"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 hours ago, alsancle said: I like the 31 a lot. But isn't the 32 the "holy grail"? The dictionary describes it as an object or goal that is sought after for its great significance. That is different for every collector. I have both, so some might say the 33 is the Holy grail. But not to me. Had one and sold it. There are 54 31 president roadsters, 8 of the 32, and 2 of the 33. Some like the 31 for its true roadster look and the 32 for the classic look. Both are great cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussi John 1 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 These were fast cars and would have been driven hard and fast, so a lot would have been lost to accidents. Studeq say everybody that wants one has one. Not everybody! I want one, but haven't won Lotto yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 17 hours ago, Aussi John 1 said: Studeq say everybody that wants one has one. Not everybody! I want one, but haven't won Lotto yet. I want one too, but I realise it is a pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So the 32 is 4 inches longer in the wheelbase which is all behind the door? Also, the suicide doors? Any other differences I can't see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussi John 1 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 These were fast cars and would have been driven hard and fast, so a lot would have been lost to accidents. Studeq say everybody that wants one has one. Not everybody! I want one, but haven't won Lotto yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Doc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Rex, Did you include the serial number, and body number of the '31 that went to Chile? Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Jet Doc said: Rex, Did you include the serial number, and body number of the '31 that went to Chile? Jeff Yep, It's in the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalowed Bill Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I thought Rex or Dick would have answered the question regarding, the differences between the 31 and 32, but a couple come to mind. The dash gauges are different, the 31 has rectangular gauges and the 32 has round gauges. The wheel size went from 19" in 31 to 18" in 32. I don't think that the chrome artillery wheels were available on the 31 Stude, but they had been available on the 1931 model 42 Pierce Arrow. The carburetor went from an updraft in 31, to downdraft in 32. 1932 was the first year for the synchromesh transmission. The later 31's that used the external salon horns, used larger horn with a "stovepipe" horn cover. The 32 used a horn that was smaller and had a rounded cover. The 1932 used the bird on the radiator cap the 31 didn't. You will see 31's with the bird cap, but technically it's not correct. We 31 owners use them because we like them. Studebaker didn't like set production year model changes. Instead they introduced the models when they saw fit. They continued to make running changes within the model run. The timing of the running changes, coincided closely to the model 42, model 54 and the 836/1236 Pierce Arrow, as well. As always the experts will step in to clean up anything that I got wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.Milke Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I hadn't checked the forum for a good while. Interesting to see such a post, making an internet picture roster of surviving cars. I hope we could have the same for many other interesting models in other brands. Agreed, to my eyes, the President Four Season Roadster has to be the most significant Studebaker of all. Just gorgeous! Victor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M29C3284 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Here's a few more pictures of body no. 1054, before and after restoration. Edited June 13, 2018 by M29C3284 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Love the colors, but just thinking about the amount of work there makes me tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studerex Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Yes Goran did a great restoration on that car. I had 2 for him to choose from and he took the bigger challenge for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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