edinmass Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Another...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Last one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Hello Every one does anyone know by chance any Horch 780 for sale was told there is one for sale in USThanksin advanceDav414 630 2853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I know of a Maybach for sale...http://www.ellingsonclassiccars.com/inventory/view/8108641/1939-Maybach-Model-SW38-Convertible-Sedan-Rogers-MN Edited February 3, 2015 by West Peterson (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I know of a Maybach for sale...http://www.ellingsonclassiccars.com/inventory/view/8108641/1939-Maybach-Model-SW38-Convertible-Sedan-Rogers-MNyeah I made them an offer last year in October. Still hope will buy it ThanksDav414 630 2853 Edited February 4, 2015 by Davlet (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 60electra225 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Hello Every one does anyone know by chance any Horch 780 for sale was told there is one for sale in USThanksin advanceDav414 630 2853No 780's, but there are 3 for sale here in Germanyhttp://thiesen-kg.de/angebot_galerieansicht.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 830 Sportcoupé from coachbuild.com: http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=584&t=9418&start=20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 WOW this is nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I posted a photo of a 930V here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?46454-Orphan-of-the-Day-11-27-1940-Horch Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 The 853 looks like the one that sold at the 2006 Steven's estate auction in Courtland NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Car Fan Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) Horch that was passing through Mike Fennel's shop in the mid 1980's when I worked there. I do not recall much about it except it was badged Horsch Auto Union. Edited December 23, 2016 by Classic Car Fan (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Looks like the car Noel Thompson owned. It's a one off if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share Posted December 23, 2016 Nice pictures! A 670 Cabriolet. Only about 60 produced with that body. I like the Talbot also. Ed, are you looking at the roadster in the back of the very first photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 2014 was this one have seen the car all origonal. Hard to find something like that this days. But still they are nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 There have been 3 or 4 of those in "barn find" condition the last 10 years or so. But, honestly, you are at Pebble and you leave the dust on it like you are posting an eBay auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, alsancle said: There have been 3 or 4 of those in "barn find" condition the last 10 years or so. But, honestly, you are at Pebble and you leave the dust on it like you are posting an eBay auction? As my mom always says "the original owner would not have tolerated that chip for even a minute." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Horch 853 For sale In Germany 700 000$ from Private collection Call text for more info 414-630-2853 Thanks Dav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1928 Horch 305 Very rare only $215 000 Please call or text for more info Dave 414 Six3O 2853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 how many of them have you seen ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harris speedster Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Does anybody have old records of pre war V-8 Horch cars? OR, anybody have records back into the 40's-60's that have David Biggs from Clarksville Missouri? David Biggs had two 1960's racing Ferrari's, Mercedes chain drive race car, 500K cab Mercedes, one of 3 pre war Blown Alfa's and MUCH more To the point; I ask, because I have a mid 1930's cowl tag off a Horch Cabriolet he owned, complete side cabriolet roof folding rack to windshield, big rear folding hinge side cowl panel. And the original cowl tag. Is there a Club that has any records? I want to sell these parts, but want to find out what I can about the car. It did not have side mounts, did not have wire wheels. It did have a rear seat, but was not seen when the top was up. triple hinge doors. It had a highly angled spare tire rack on the back trunk area and the framing that supported it was quite heavy and bolted directly to the frame rails.. Please let me know Regards, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harris speedster Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) As mentioned above, and like the Horch picture posted directly above my post: , I have the large carriage roof chrome hinge, I have the side cowl metal from windshield down to running board The original serial number Horch plate from the cowl. Also have the V-8 bronze engine tag too. Great for a man cave or Horch owner, hard to beat a story like this? Matter of fact, $300.00 plus shipping buys all. From the David Biggs collection, that had one of the rarest Alfa's and Ferrari's in the world at the time, even a chain driven early racing Mercedes. Respectfully submitted John Edited August 18, 2019 by harris speedster (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 The Horch got second in class behind the Talbot which was a finalist for best of show. It was really nice. Only change I would make is lose the flag poles. I’ve noticed that Horch got a nice rumble out of their straight eight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilomagnet Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Here is a period pic and another 2 photos in restored state of the 853 Voll & Ruhrbeck Sport Cabriolet that won PB ~ 10 years ago, owned by Robert Lee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 Barn find that was re-assembled and sold by Peter Kumar of Gullwing. Note the vent doors on the doors. I do not ever recall seeing that feature before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, alsancle said: Barn find that was re-assembled and sold by Peter Kumar of Gullwing. Note the vent doors on the doors. I do not ever recall seeing that feature before. I don't see the vent doors of which you speak, but I notice the Packard front bumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, West Peterson said: I don't see the vent doors of which you speak, but I notice the Packard front bumpers. Poor choice of words on my part. Window vents instead of being one piece door glass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Very slick. Beats the hell out of any 500/540 K. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, edinmass said: Very slick. Beats the hell out of any 500/540 K. 👍 You know I love you, but you’re a nitwit. edit: when I get some time I’ll do a comparison between a 500 K to 853. I’ve been around enough of both, but I think I can do one amateur job and explaining the differences. Edited October 22, 2022 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 A.J.: I'd be interested in reading and watching your comparison of the Mercedes-Benz 500 K and Horch 853. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Talk about over the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Always like a coupe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 Bernd Rosemeyer’s “Manuela” had a bomb dropped on it I think. Anyways. It does not survive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Never trust a car that has a star! Drive the 853 and you will never look back. The 500/540K jobs are outstanding cars…….buy one and you will be left out standing on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Bernd Rosemeyer’s “Manuela” had a bomb dropped on it I think. Anyways. It does not survive. This is what someone is calling “Manuela” 2018 Wikipedia. If it is or not still nice Horch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 hours ago, George K said: This is what someone is calling “Manuela” 2018 Wikipedia. If it is or not still nice Horch. George, there are two or three reproductions floating around. I’m about 90% sure the real one is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I believe that but they still did nice work for a repop. That’s a whole lot of work to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 I'm doing this stream of consciousness so assume some of it is made up. We have friends from Germany lurking so their opinions would be most welcome and should take precedence over anything I say. 1. A Mercedes 500K Cabriolet C and an 853 Horch Cabriolet are comparable. Both have 5 passenger Victoria bodies, both 5 Liter, both are 100HP (blower off for Mercedes), both have 4 speed transmission and they are about the same size and weight. 2. A Mercedes 540K Cabriolet C and and 853A Horch Cabriolet are comparable. The Mercedes is 115HP without the blower engaged, and the 853A 120HP. The later 540Ks went to a 5 speed, and a 2 speed overdrive became available on the 853. 3. I have lots of Mercedes seat time both driving and riding, and have driven two different 853 Horch and rode in another. Never been in an 853A and now that I'm older and wiser, I'm thinking I've only been in 1 or 2 fully sorted Mercedes. 4. The biggest difference between the 500K and the 853 is the supercharger. Fully sorted (a rarity in the US) the blower adds lots of oomph to the Mercedes. Top seed of the 500K is 100 Mph and the 853 is 83-88 mph depending on who you believe. The Mercedes number was achieved by Autocar in a test in 1935. A 540K and a 853A will be slightly faster. 5. The Horch has a longer wheelbase by maybe 6 to 8 inches? It is definitely roomier inside. I'm willing to bet the curb weights are similar even though the Mercedes is smaller. 6. The Mercedes is direct in third gear with overdrive in fourth. The Horch seems to be direct in 4th. I find the Horch easier to shift and I think it might be synchro in 2,3, 4. Watch some of my videos driving a 500k and look at the comment section. Our European friends can't help but make fun of the stupid American's poor double clutching. You would think by 1936 the transmission would be fully synchro above 1st. Both cars require you to be in 2nd gear by 10mph (at the latest) and you can start out on the flat in 2nd with both. The Mercedes owner's manual specifically calls that out. 7. The Horch is built to a very high level of quality. Thinking Senior Packard or V16 Cadillac. The interior materials are even better than that. The doors are huge and sound like a bank vault shutting. The Mercedes is a step above that. For comparison the radiator on the Horch is standard design with a shell like American cars. The Mercedes is a work of art with 16 thousand individual tubes soldered together with the shell. Also 75K to 100K cost to replace. If drop the gas cap of a 500K on your foot you are breaking a bone. if you drop the Horch's you might not notice. The Mercedes cap is very heavy and indicative of the over the top build quality. 8. The both were considered grand touring cars for the Autobann, but the Mercedes definitely has more of a performance bent with a higher top seed, the supercharger, outside pipes and a tachometer in the dash. To me, when I see a tach I always think of a sporting car. 9. The Mercedes is definitely harder to sort properly and is much more complicated. The fuel delivery system on the Mercedes with the Junkers Jumo aircraft fuel pump requires a PHD in fluid dynamics. In summary, I would be happy for anybody to give me either car, and would be thrilled to own either. The market says the 500K is more desirable and apples to apples on condition the Mercedes will bring about 1.75 to 2 times the price of the Horch. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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