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When I was miraculously able to obtain the original sales invoice for my Mercedes the buyer had traded a 34 LeBaron Speedster towards it. I believe they gave him 3k towards the Mercedes. This was June of 1936. A.J.

George just had the blower and not the entire car or the engine. He put the blower on a engine he had "lying" around the shop. You can see where I mention that it was a tired motor to begin with but they still got a 40% boost out of it. The Stutz blower is very similar to the 540k/500k Mercedes setup and I can tell you from personal experience they are a bear to get tuned right. Ivan, do you know how to decipher the markings on the rear end to determine the factory ratios? A.J>

Ivan, great information. I have the catalog from that sale and if it was held today you would really see some high prices. The blown 29 M has resold a couple of times, with the price doubling each transaction. In fact, the picture at the bottom of this page: http://home.townisp.com/~alsancle/StutzSuperCharger.html shows the blower from that car when George Holman was getting it to work for Skip Barber.

Meadowbrook is a nice show, especially if you are east cost and only want to deal with traveling half way across the country. Here is a picture of some of the Mercedes at last year's show.

Over in the Hamb thread which I linked in my topic it looks like this has been identified as Pontiac. Thanks for all the help. A.J.

Could somebody with access to a 282 measure the distance between ports center to center for me? regards, A.J.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Packard8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I recall, all of the manifolds from the 288, 327, 356 & 359 will interchange. </div></div> If this is true then I'll have to measure my Dad's 53 Caribbean again. It looked like it was too small when I measured it yesterday.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1937hd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you see a car that you like/want, TELL THE OWNER!!!!! I learned that the hard way years ago and lost a 1911 Hupmobile. Most people would like to know there is someone that is a ready buyer for their car if and when the time comes to part with it. My last two projects were bought that way, saw both cars years ago and asked for first shot. Calls came in price was given, I paid it and picked them up. Most of the good stuff is sold among friends. </div></div> Bob, there is problem a when you are discussing a car that somebody has owned for 40 years or so. It is not so much about letting them know you are interested as being the lucky guy that let's them know right at the small interval of time when the car is actually for sale. Many times that is right after they die. In the case of the Schumacher, it required my Dad checking in every other year for 20 years (and that was just to see it). A.J.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3Jakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Packard darrin, 1942. That's my choice. Of course this thread started out asking for identification of the cars. I'm 43 years old, so I'm not old enough to be totally knowledgeable about the pre-war cars, especially non production. BUT, I identified the 42 Packard and the Duesenberg. The other two I had no clue. I could not tell you years on Duesenberg J's, they all look the same. The horizontal grille section on the Packard gives that away as a 42. Because I know what that car represents, it means the most to me. </div></div> It's tough these days to distinguish 29,30,31 as they all have the radiator shutters now. The wheels went to 17 from 19 and the fenders were skirted on the later cars but basically there were no changes between 29 and 36. In fact, most of the chassis and engines were made in the first couple of years. On the Darrins, the 40 and earlier had custom fenders in front as well as the extended cowl and cut down doors. In 41/42 I believe the front fenders were stock.

I'm trying to identify this intake I found in my dad's basement. I know it doesn't fit pre-war super8 and I measured against his 53 Caribbean and it was smaller. Over on the Hamb: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190449&highlight=packard+edmunds there is a Edmunds catalog and this sure looks similar to 1751 which is for Packard. My question is did Packard have a smaller 8 in the 50s? I guess I should know this but I thought there was only the one straight 8 carried in all the lines. A.J.

I noticed that the SV16 Town Car project sold for only 17k at the Spring Kruse auction. I would think the Chassis alone would be worth that much. Anyone know the history of this car? http://www.kruse.com/results/detail.asp?CONSIGN=1030&MAKE=Stutz&AUC_CODE=AUBSPR07&AUC_BREAD=Auburn%2C%20IN%202007&SEARCH_NAME=Stutz&YEAR=2007&RESULTS=1&PAGE=1

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/258757/al_capones_armored_1928_cadillac_was.html

I'm traveling to Canada from the US (through NY) with an empty enclosed utility trailer. I'm returning to the US with the trailer full of pre-war car parts. The biggest pieces are a couple of doors, and a whole bunch of misc stuff that resembles junk. I think I know that: 1. Until Jan 1, 2008 a license and birth certificate should get us back in to the U.S. (When I went over the border one month ago they did not ask for the birth certificate but told us we would need passports soon). The passport makes them happy because the can simply scan it instead of typing in the id #. 2. The seller is telling me that because the parts originated in the U.S. that there should be no duty or tax. 3. The seller is going to give me a receipt for said parts. (any thoughts on what this should have on it?) 4. The border crossing in Niagara is a pain in the [censored]. Can anybody that has done this recently confirm what I'm saying? I know with a car instead of just parts there is more paperwork, and if I need anything I want to be prepared in advance. thanks, A.J.

I'm going to look for the detailed article that explained that GM was no longer a auto company but a health insurance and pension administrator. I don't think there is anything wrong with the individual trying to maximize his worth in an open economy (hell, improving one's lot is what makes the USA go). However, I can't help but feel that the collective bargaining that created the existing health and pension benefits for the UAW memebers and retirees was a bit of extortion . Years ago, you retired and then died not too many years later. These days people live for a long time and the agreements made 25, 30 years ago between the big three and the UAW are no longer realistic. It is way to simplistic to argue that U.S. auto companies are going under because there are boobs running them. When the genius Germans were running Chrysler then couldn't make a profit either. The writing is on the wall when a worker in a socialist economy on a 36 hour work week is cheaper than one in the U.S.A.

As long as GM has to pay 7500.00 per car for health and pension benefits to workers that no longer work for the company I would say they are screwed. http://www.nysun.com/article/25605

Those are all good ones. The "Frame off restoration" when used on a Mustang is also a hoot. But my all time favorite is when you see "MUST SELL" used with "FIRM PRICE". Translation, you must by this from me at my price because I have to sell.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. Ended up the Chief was the brother-in-law of the guy selling it. </div></div> Reckon it'd be kinda hard to find somebody to look at a car fer ya in Jawga if'n ya gotta find somebody that ain't kin..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /><img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div> Hey Lamar - sorry about the "moonshine" crack - I'm still aggravated about this 20 years later! This was actually not a tiny town, I think the population was around 5k - but it really was in the middle of no where. A.J.

I have a pretty good story about me trying to buy a 53 Packard Caribbean out of Hemmings located in dead center moonshine country in Georgia. This was back in 1987. Pictures looked good but before making the drive from Massachusetts figured that I would get someone local to inspect it for me. So I called the chief of police and asked if he could recommend someone reputable to check it out for me. Chief was a great guy and happened to be a car guy himself. Offered to go and inspect it personally. Called me back and raved about how nice the car was. Said I'd have no problem driving it all the way back north. Well, long story short, my dad, my brother (home on 7 days leave from USAF) and a friend did 21 straight hours down, took 15 minutes to look at the car (town was 40 miles down a two lane road from the nearest interstate) and got out of town as fast as possible. Of course the car was a POS and I doubt it would have made it to the end of the driveway, let alone 1500 miles. Ended up the Chief was the brother-in-law of the guy selling it.

I'm posting this for my internet challenged friend. See my personal comments below on the truck. 1941 Ford Truck (1-ton) asking $20,000. It was originally a Brush Fire Truck, bought by the late Leo Maroney, owner of Package Steel http://www.pkgmail.com/ in Sutton MA. In 1993 Leo had it very professionally converted to a working Tow Truck. Has old-style crank winch and newer style PTO unit. Both work great. 2 separate booms can be moved independently of each other. Overall, the truck is in super nice condition; new dry-cell battery, windshield and window rubbers and felts, rebuilt wiper motors, new wiper arms and blades, new plugs & wires. It was purchased from Leo's estate in Nov. 01 by the current owner, Byard Libby. Odometer says 7,900 miles and we are 90% sure this is correct. Engine is a 8 cyl which starts up easily. Now, some comments from me: Byard is a fairly well known restorer in the Classic Car circles (at least in New England). His specialty is Duesenbergs and he has worked on at least 20 of them. Right now he is in the process of a complete restoration of a 31 Model J Murphy. A previous full restoration earned best Duesenberg at the yearly ACD festival. I'm mentioning this because he is a fastidious [censored], and he doesn't mess with junk. I was with him back in 2001 when they were having the estate sale for Leo and he bought the truck. I also took a bunch of the pictures. In general it is a good idea to personally inspect anything you buy first, but I will say in this case the pictures do not lie. It is a really nice truck, there is zero rust. I don't think it was ever out in the snow. There are some minor scratches in the paint (it as not been rubbed to my knowledge). I don't believe there are any dings or dents. I will mention that it probably needs tires (although you can ask about that). Also, I know that it does about 45 mph with the pedal through the floor so without adding OD or changing the rear end you won't be doing any highway driving. I have more pictures at http://home.townisp.com/~alsancle/FordTowTruck.html If you have any additional questions you can email or call Jane Phillips who works for Byard. Her cell is 508-769-1121 email libsclassiccar-at-townisp.com. Note you need to replace the -at- with @ to make the email work.

I'm posting this for my internet challenged friend. See my personal comments below on the truck. 1941 Ford Truck (1-ton) asking $20,000. It was originally a Brush Fire Truck, bought by the late Leo Maroney, owner of Package Steel http://www.pkgmail.com/ in Sutton MA. In 1993 Leo had it very professionally converted to a working Tow Truck. Has old-style crank winch and newer style PTO unit. Both work great. 2 separate booms can be moved independently of each other. Overall, the truck is in super nice condition; new dry-cell battery, windshield and window rubbers and felts, rebuilt wiper motors, new wiper arms and blades, new plugs & wires. It was purchased from Leo's estate in Nov. 01 by the current owner, Byard Libby. Odometer says 7,900 miles and we are 90% sure this is correct. Engine is a 8 cyl which starts up easily. Now, some comments from me: Byard is a fairly well known restorer in the Classic Car circles (at least in New England). His specialty is Duesenbergs and he has worked on at least 20 of them. Right now he is in the process of a complete restoration of a 31 Model J Murphy. A previous full restoration earned best Duesenberg at the yearly ACD festival. I'm mentioning this because he is a fastidious [censored], and he doesn't mess with junk. I was with him back in 2001 when they were having the estate sale for Leo and he bought the truck. I also took a bunch of the pictures. In general it is a good idea to personally inspect anything you buy first, but I will say in this case the pictures do not lie. It is a really nice truck, there is zero rust. I don't think it was ever out in the snow. There are some minor scratches in the paint (it as not been rubbed to my knowledge). I don't believe there are any dings or dents. I will mention that it probably needs tires (although you can ask about that). Also, I know that it does about 45 mph with the pedal through the floor so without adding OD or changing the rear end you won't be doing any highway driving. I have more pictures at http://home.townisp.com/~alsancle/FordTowTruck.html If you have any additional questions you can email or call Jane Phillips who works for Byard. Her cell is 508-769-1121 email libsclassiccar-at-townisp.com. Note you need to replace the -at- with @ to make the email work.

sweet picture Bob.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I winched it into the trailer two days ago. Yesterday, I put a battery in it and did the necessary work on it before starting it up. I then drove it around the block with that 8 year old gas. What other car would you dare try that one with..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div> If that was 8 year old gas, I'll bet it was racing fuel. Pump gas congeals really fast these days. I'm scared to let the cars sit over the winter without running them every month if they have pump fuel in them.

You are right that prior to WWII there were very few places you could go fast for any amount of time. This is basically the reason most of the pre-war cars wind out at 80mph. I also agree on the fuel keeping the compression down around 5.5 to 1 or so on average. Most of those engines can survive going to 8 to 1, and with premium fuel and a high speed rear end the top end goes way way up. The Germans had the Autobahn which was basically the first interstate system. In fact, the US system was modeled after it. Anyways, that is part of the reason the 500k/540k could cruise at 75 mph as it was built for those roads. As for post war engineering, it is still hard to beat a 300SL or 300S. However, my favorite is the 53 Caribbean

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wanna race ? Say..across the Mojave Desert...from Barstow, to Kingman...say around 3:00 in the afternoon in early August....! </div></div> I don't think his Stutz restoration is finished. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div> Bob - the engine guys are telling me that with the 4 carbs, high compression pistons, race cam and monster exhaust manifold that the Schumacher will be pushing 180 hp. Considering that the entire body weighs about 100 pounds that would be the car to race with :-).

Assuming stock rear end ratios, the 540k would have a higher top end then a Packard 12. I think it would probably out accelerate it too assuming the blower is set up right. If you wanted to do a road course, the 540k sits 6 inches lower and rides on 4 wheel independent suspension. I love Packards, (my dad has had about 20 of them) but the engineering the on Mercedes is over the top.