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Considering that the kit car that RM was selling at Hershey brought 75k I would say that 150k for this project is spot on.

The butcher lived in England and the car was quite rusted when it came out of the garage. It was auctioned off by Sothebys or Christies in the 1980s. Off the top of my head there were about 26 (I may be off a couple in either direction) of the "long tail" 500k/540k special roadsters made. Some had covered spares some did not. The 500 & 540 are visually indistinguishable in the long tail form.

YOu can buy a not-so-good looking one for even less! :-)

I know it's blasphemy but I've never been a huge fan. They are not exactly attractive cars. The limited production and unique mechanical characteristics certainly make them collectible but million dollar cars? Have you seen what else you can get for the same money????

This Horch was bought by a friend of mine and was behind the iron curtain for many years. This is a 540k that was owned by King Carol of Romania. It was in Russia for years (see botton corner picture) and restored more recently.

There have been some amazing cars found in the old USSR. 1. The 540k Roadster that Hitler gave Stalin as a gift (but Stalin found it too ostentatious). 2. At least one sliver arrow race car as well as at least one auto union D type 3. The Rosemyer Horch (pictured below)

This is one of the Yount Duesenbergs. There is a whole thread on the ACD site.

Tony, that is a beautiful car. I wish you luck. Did you ever find yourself the 320 Combination coupe you were looking for? regards, A.J.

Yeah, you can buy a whole car for that :-).

The period shot is circa 1932/33 and the wheel is clearly visible so I would like to put this one back on the car. If it was only going to be 1k then I would do it. The estimate was 5 to 7k to recast a new rim with a new still inner band. The steel rim is in very bad shape and none of the rubber would be usable. Ed, the wheel is an exact match to the later Stutz wheel George gave me but it shallower and is aluminum. Did Stutz use a standard hub pattern used by other manufacturers or farm or otherwise?

So here is a picture of a 28 BB wheel from a very nicely restored Stutz. They are not the same. This must be some sort of custom wheel?

Here are some pictures of the wheel that came on my Stutz Special. The chassis is 1928 BB but I'm not sure about the wheel. Can anyone identify it? The base is aluminum with a steel reinforced rim which is screwed on. The rim was covered in a hard rubber. It is 17 3/4 inches in diameter. The reason I'm asking is the restoration estimate I just got from a reputable wheel restorer was enough to give me a heart attack. I was thinking around 1k but maybe a bit more because of the amount of work.

If 810/812 then, early or late, cracks?

But the difference between a coupe roadster body vs. conv victoria body will make that moot - I think.

Someone else can chime in but I think the difference between super 8 prices & V12 prices are not that great. You probably did right with the coupe roadster over the victoria.

There are very few cars that you can be given for free, pay for a professional restoration and not be under water after. I agree with the comments regarding curb appeal. However, if a car needs paint, there are different degrees of prep required depending on how bad it has gone. This car looks like it was held together with string - I would imagine all the wood is gone - wow - that would be expensive.

You could see it from the bridge as you walked from the Chocolate field to the Red field. I was going to swing over into that corner to take a look (and some pictures) but got sidetracked. Very desirable cars.

I'm not a Packard guy, but as a general car guy I agree completely with West's assessment of the condition of the car as shown in the photos. I also agree with his general comments with regards to the color, vinyl, and standard 8 engine with respect to value. I know enough that the Super 8 and Twelve command a pretty good premium. As a general rule, the bigger the engine, the bigger the price. That said, still a pretty nice car and should generate plenty of interest if priced correctly.

Very nice car. I would think the Packard gurus on here could give you a pretty good idea on value.

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The original thread post is over 6 years old and the original poster only has 18 posts. However he did post as recently has 6 months ago so his profile is still active. I suggest using the profile to send him an email or a private message.

You should post a stand alone thread with the 35 Cadillac Phaeton FS heading. Very cool car and would love to see some pictures. I really like the styling of that year.

The CCCA article was written by Jon Lee I believe. Very interesting & well researched. I do not recall the 1 million number, but I would bet that the high production of Packard and Cadillac post 1938 or so accounts for a good percentage of that number. Most/Many classic chassis were made in very small numbers, in the hundreds or less usually. Pick any year in the Classic ear, total production of Stutz, Pierce, Marmon & Caddy V16, etc, amounts to next to nothing.

All the 8 cylinder Auburns are classics. I don't think John is actually selling that Speedster.

To my knowledge there is no commercially available steel bodies. There have been a few made by individuals as very nice quality reproductions. If you are going to build one you will end up with a ton of money in it. At Hershey 06 a fiberglass replica with original drivetrain instruments chassis, etc, sold for 70k. This car was impossible to tell from a real one. Cost to build would be at least 3 times that. My advice is to buy a decent coupe since the price is 20% of the speedster.