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Matt Harwood

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OK, without dealing with the appropriate definition of "classic" is there any interest in trying to develop a day when everyone drives their collector cars to work? I'm constantly lamenting the fact that most old cars are squirrelled away from the public's eyes, and the hobby is suffering for it.

A friend of mine here at work has a motorcycle and just participated in "Ride Your Bike To Work Day" which is where I got the idea. Just one guy came up with it a few years ago, and it has really taken off. I don't know if anyone noticed a lot of bikes on the road a week or two ago, but that was when it happened. I saw a lot more bikes than usual, and discovered several people here at work who ride that I didn't know about. Pretty cool idea.

This might be a great way to increase the exposure of the hobby and have some fun with our cars. It won't cost anybody anything and everyone you pass will see your collector iron--kind of like a rolling car show. It might encourage more young people to join our hobby.

Thoughts?

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Well there is another consideration....insurance. I know that Hagerty does not want you driving your honey to work. Now, what they don't know, etc., but what if there is a fender bender? Hmmm. I will admit when I was working, I would drive my car as often as I could (clear days mostly) because A. I love driving my car, and B. it generates so much interest.

I wonder if we could convince the INS to accept a specific club day for such an event?

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I did this in the Corvair Society of America - it went well and the media covered it pretty good as well. The key is getting the word out to the hobbyists.

As far as insurance, I would "think" if approached that they would be flexible for this one day since it is a CAR EVENT - not just an everyday work day. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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As I recall, the limits to the use of "Antique " and "Classic" license plates in PA include language similar to the following <span style="font-style: italic">"Use is limited to...(club activies, displays, etc.)...and one day per seven day week for leisure purposes."</span> Driving to work will never fly as "leisure purposes". I do know of someone in Wilkes-Barre who had the misfortune to drive is "Classic" car to work on a day when a local cop didn't have anything better to do than to follow him into the office parking lot. Nothing $500.00 couldn't fix! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Antique plate limitations can be a....(insert female canine euphamism here). I know of another person in a Pittsburgh suburb who used an antique pickup to haul his picnic table over to his uncle's house. Yup, $500.00! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Check your local laws and insurance policy before you drive your classic to work! Or better yet, organize a car show in the office parking lot! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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You guys need to move a little further south. Virginia says you can drive your antique occasionally to keep it in good operating condition, to car shows, repair shops, paint shops, or anywhere you need to go for "estimates" on repair work any time of the week. Now I know everybody's work "20" has at least one resident mechanic in the building, if not, appoint one. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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"As I recall, the limits to the use of "Antique " and "Classic..."

YES! And make sure everyone wears a fresh new pair of environmentaly friendly saftey glasses too.

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I drive the Packard and ride the indian at least 40 miles each nearly every week to somewhere. BUT, it is BAD policy to operate any classic motor vehicle when the work-a-day rush hour crowd are out there trying to run over each other in the mornings or early evenings (and its getting to be that way at 'lunch time' too). Seems analogous to wearing a tuxedo to mow the lawn or something.

Maybe a better idea is to plan a national 'Take your main-squeeze out to a late evening Dinner' nite in your classic car. Or maybe a late afternoon lunch.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I recall, the limits to the use of "Antique " and "Classic" license plates in PA include language similar to the following <span style="font-style: italic">"Use is limited to...(club activies, displays, etc.)...and one day per seven day week for leisure purposes."</span> Driving to work will never fly as "leisure purposes". I do know of someone in Wilkes-Barre who had the misfortune to drive is "Classic" car to work on a day when a local cop didn't have anything better to do than to follow him into the office parking lot. Nothing $500.00 couldn't fix! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Antique plate limitations can be a....(insert female canine euphamism here). I know of another person in a Pittsburgh suburb who used an antique pickup to haul his picnic table over to his uncle's house. Yup, $500.00! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Check your local laws and insurance policy before you drive your classic to work! Or better yet, organize a car show in the office parking lot! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>

Dave, with all due respect, I gotta call BS on this one. I honestly don't know PA law, and I may be wrong, but I doubt very much that they would pass a law restricting use of your car to one day a week, and to levy a $500 fine just for driving a licensed and insured car is asinine. How do they know why you're driving your car? If I have Wednesday off and I drive my old car to work to show it to a buddy, do I get the $500 fine too? And how can they limit you to one day a week? Who's watching me and who is to decide what qualifies as "leisure" activities? Does this mean that I can't drive on a tour in PA that lasts more than 24 hours? I really hope all this isn't true and that somebody was feeding you a dose of "scare tactics."

My father drove a '41 Buick Super coupe to work every single day for four years when I was a kid, through rain and snow. It had historical plates. Never a problem with the law.

I do respect the position of the insurance companies in this issue. This proviso in the policy is largely to prevent us from getting their cheap insurance on our daily drivers. That's why they want us to have something else that we use to drive to work. They couldn't keep their rates reasonable if everybody started insuring their regular cars through their agencies. Part-time cars have fewer accidents than full-time cars. It's that simple.

Nevertheless, I believe that every single insurance company would be in support of this opportunity. Yes, you're technically driving it to work, but it is only one day a year, and it is for a hobby-related purpose (showing off the car to the public and getting them interested). But if you feel uncomfortable, by all means, that's an understandable position. You certainly don't have to participate.

Because of the overwhelming feedback (about 98% positive), I'm going to call the second Monday of September "National Drive Your Classic To Work Day." Most folks are back from vacations, it won't interfere with Labor Day, the weather in most parts of the country is still great, but cooler, and you'll have a weekend to prep your car for the "show."

Let's get this ball rolling! If you're interested, tell all your friends, especially those who are not on-line (I have no real way of reaching most people). Tell everybody at work! Let's get the word out and make this thing a success!

PS: I'll be contacting insurance companies to discuss the insurance issue and will post more about that when I have info...

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Matt

Dave is correct - read it for yourself before you try to apply logic to the law!

Not only 1 day a week BUT sunrise to sunset ONLY!

https://www.dot3.state.pa.us/pdotforms/fact_sheets/fs-ant.pdf

Thank God I moved from PA to Jersey when I was a kid.

We in NJ can use all hours of the day with no number of day limit but still must be for Educational, Display or Club function purpose - 3,000 mile / year limit.

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Both the cases I cited are true. The guy at the office was my supervisor, who had a bad habit of driving his "Classic" Lincoln Mark III to work and finally got caught at it. The guy with the pickup was a classmate of mine in an auto restoration class. The $500 fine is the same citation in the PA Code as for driving an unregistered car with no plates at all. The fines in question both occurred about 15 years ago. It could be more now.

As for the one day in seven violation, about the only way to get caught at that is to show up at the same bowling alley two days in a row, or some other such foolishness.

Most cops have a lot more important things to do than chase around antique car license plate violations. However, in both cases there could've been even more fines piled on by the police officer in question. Once it's been determined that the car is not being used within the confines of the state's "Antique" registration limitations it would've been possible to pour on insurance violations, inspection violations, emissions test violations, etc.

How much do you trust the police where you work? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Or bowl? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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Matt

Just a suggestion - how about contacting the press about this new event. That way you will not only reach the car owners BUT those that would appreciate viewing the cars at lunch time. Would suggest USA today and hope that it gets picked up by the Associated Press and UPI for National Coverage. Also a Club communication would go a long way.

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I stand corrected on the PA thing. I just didn't think such things could be possible. What idiot thought those laws up, anyway? Can you put regular plates on your old car and drive it any time you want? What if I'm poor and can't afford a new car--can they restrict my driving time? What a bag of worms...

Good call on the USA Today. I'll see if I can do something like that. Thanks!

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Matt,

Should anyone want to participate in this event in a state like PA which strongly restricts the use of antique registrations it probably would be sufficient to issue a site specific flier for the event at one's place of wrok. I believe that if you can prove an organized display/event is taking place then you should have all the bases covered under the law and under most insurance policies.

TsandAs,

Thanks for that link. I tried to find one and couldn't. Also I'd forgotten about that sunup/sunset limitation. It only applies to vehicles whose lighting does not conform to the "normal lighting requirements of the PA Vehicle Code", which I've been reliably told means sealed beams and turn signals. I don't know that for a fact, however.

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Matt,

I live in PA and just researched the tag thing when I was close to buying a Model "T" a few weeks ago.

You can put a regular PA plate on an antique car as long as it conforms to the state code for motor vehicles and will pass the annual state safety inspections.

To pass inspections, the vehicle MUST have four-wheel service brakes (don't necessarily have to be hydraulic, but a Model "T" does not meet this requirement), and all factory lighting, glazing, and safety equipment must be present and functional. The vehicle must have at least one windshield wiper, and if equipped w/ two, both must work.

Things like 4-way hazard flashers, seat-belts and emissions inspection are grandfathered....

I have always put regular plates on my old cars since moving to PA, to avoid any hassles from the smokies...if I want to drive my '41 De Soto to work everyday when the weather's nice or haul stuff in my '61 Willys pick-up, I don't want to be hassled by "John Law".

Don't know if it's a revenue issue or what in PA; if you buy the Historic plate, it's a one-time fee of $90-odd; if it's a regular passenger car plate, they get $36 every year.

Since "Historic" vehicles are exempt from the annual safety inspection, they probably also don't want folks to be putting Historic tags on "death-trap" jalopies and running them every day, causing a potential hazard to other motorists ?

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Desoto, I hate to bring this up and show my true colors, but being a truck driver/owner....are you ready? As a group we get so tried of cops picking on us, so as a means to stay sharp, we always spent a couple hours each day, while driving, thinking of ways to beat the system. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Now, since your state, Pa, is so restrictive, why not license it in some other state, a relative's, for instance. My boy, who lives in North Carolina, bought a '69 Chevelle from me back a few years ago. Him being tight like his Dad, he wanted to keep it tagged in Virginia where the insurance and license factor is cheaper. He never had a problem with the cops bothering him, even though he got caught racing once by the boys in blue. Since it's an antique and not on the road everyday, it's not seen enough to arouse suspicion. And, with the car tagged in Virginia, the local cops don't ticket you for the rinky dink stuff like they do the local boys. Shoot, I drive my hot rod out of state everywhere, no fenders, no windshield wipers, no problems. Some of you might think I skirt the law, but I think I already paid my share of fines to last a life time. The last "bad" DOT audit cost me about $5700.00. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Just food for thought and my opinion, for whatever that's worth. Wayne

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Hi, Matt...

I echo what Dave, Frank, and, others stated about PA's Antique license rules.

In 1997, I had Antique plates put on my 1972 TR-6. Why? Back then, my thought pattern was I only put 2-300 miles per year on it. I travel with extensively utilizing a company vehicle, and, I guess, basically to save a few bucks back then. In 1997, the fee was only $65. (Though I do not have to get it inspected yearly, I have it done annually just for safety. The only difference is an inspection sticker does not have to be on the windshield.)

Had only 2 experiences with the local police: Both involved police facing me at red lights with, I suppose anxiety at its height to pull me over and see why there was no inspection sticker. Of course, when the light turned green, these 2 guys made immediate U-turns, follow me close, see the antique tag, then, back off.

Relative to Dave's case example, there was a guy in the Reading, PA area that could be seen 365 days a year driving a ratty looking old Mercury Comet around. He had antique plates. I pondered how he received them, considering, one must send in photos of all 4 angles of the car, along with the application, as they "state the car must be in restored/good condition", not a rust bucket.

I suppose some "who gives a damn government employee" in Harrisburg rubber stamped it. Who knows.

As for antique auto insurance...it is clearly stated that the car must adhere to parades, car shows, etc., but, not for daily use. If someone creams the car in the workplace parking lot, it may raise eyebrows of the insurance company. The annual mileage limitation of an antique tag, I really can't remember as I never came close to it, is 2500 Antique/5000 Classic. Don't take that to the bank, but, I think that is what the law states. Dave is also on the mark, that, the police have better things to do, however, you always risk an aggressive cop. Also, you risk someone, maybe a fellow worker, that decides to be a whistle-blower out of jealousy, nothing better to do, or, whatever.

The mileage limitations I can accept for the owner's safety if they receive an antique/classic plate just to buck the system, totally forget to have it checked over for safety for, say, 12,000 miles. I guess that's the reason for the rule.

Regards, Peter J.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....there was a guy in the Reading, PA area that could be seen 365 days a year driving a ratty looking old Mercury Comet around. </div></div>

I think there's a car like this in every town, especially in PA. I've always been convinced that they belong to the less successful brother of the local Magistrate. (Trying to enforce environmental laws in PA you'd be <span style="font-style: italic">amazed</span> how many times something like that'd come up!)

For the record, I think Matt's idea is terrific. I hope that it's very successful. Imagine one day driving to work among antiques and classics. I think it'll be great. (--if it don't rain! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> )

Just be sure to cover all the bases in your state and with your insurance company when participating! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Dave...thank you for agreeing with my thought pattern above.

Matt does, in fact, have a good idea.

As for Reading, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati? Heck, you have complained so much about all 3 over the years on the forum, that, I simply take it in stride.

Regards, Peter J. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Been there myself, Dave. Would not even think of getting you started as I would do the same. Ames, at the time, looked great in my rear view mirror.

Regards, Peter J. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I also think this is a great idea...except that I cannot work...ummmm....well I guess I can admit to driving my cl...uh...old car since I don't drive very far or often. I see no reason for me not to drive it but I really hate being dishonest and cheating makes me uncomfortable. I also have a old beater which I do drive mostly. I love to drive my Caddys just to do it...to show them off though. Fortunately in Colorado a Classic car registration is based on the car being 20 years or older, in good enough shape to pass a rudimentary emissions test, and money. You pay for 5 years at a hit with no restrictions on use. The only restriction is the insurance if you choose to use Classic car insurance.

I was going to 'go off' on the nature of control etc. but having just had a good talk with my father on a similar, though unrelated issue, I realise it is simply reality. Insurance companies and States have liabilities and fiscal responsibilities that can make life irritating if not down right impossible for people trying to make a living or just live. It is all a part of life and should not raise ire since that never really helps any way.

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Hey Matt,

Why not put together a "fill in the blank" flier that could be posted here or elsewhere. People could print off a copy, fill in their firm's name, and (with permission) post it in the office/lunch room/break room/use your imagination for others to read.

It could read something like this:

<span style="font-weight: bold"> [color:"blue"]______________________________________________________ invites you to join with us in participating in "National Drive Your Classic to Work Day". All employees are invited to bring whatever collector vehicle they may enjoy for a special display here on Sept. 8, 2003 </span><span style="font-style: italic">(your second Monday's date)</span> [color:"blue"]<span style="font-weight: bold">.</span>

You could leave a place for specialized artwork or artwork of your own. Also you should include a few blank lines for site specific instructions (e.g. directions to a specific lot, special street visible/photo op friendly spaces, time limitations, etc.).

By making each individual event a formalized display in this manner I think you'd cover a lot of legal bases that'd make the event much more successful.

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Thanks for raining on my parade guys! It looks like my antique plates in Indiana might have to stay for awhile once we get moved to Hershey! Sounds like we need to find a legislator who is in the hobby in Pa. that can help... <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Ts and As, you have misinterpreted the PA law. I can drive my 1956 Packard at midnight on a moonless night. Those people with acetylene headlamps, ie true antiques, should not be out driving at night because they do not meet the normal lighting requirements of the PA Vehicle code, and they do not pass the test of common-sense if they try.

PA law follows:

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Classic vehicles are subject to an annual vehicle safety inspection. Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code but must have their original lighting equipment. Antique vehicles are not subject to the annual vehicle safety inspection. Antique and classic vehicles are not subject to emissions inspection.

By the way, a friend who drives his 56 Packard parts car just about every day, but not to work or business, (just motors around), got stopped by a Monroeville cop who tried to cite him for having an old inspection sticker. Friend tried to tell him he didn't need inspection with antique plates and had just left the sticker on there as a momento of the last time the car had been inspected as a daily driver. Cop called in to base and was told he was all wet. Rather than say, I'm sorry I stopped you, he said the sticker should have to be removed. Friend said no and drove on his way. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

YFAM, Randy Berger <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Hi, Steve...

You can get the Antique tags when you settle in PA. Randy Berger's post was a good one detailing PA's regs. I think someone above mentioned it now costs $90 per car. I paid $65 back in 1997.

You have to take photos of the 4 angles of the vehicle and submit them with your registration form.

Matt: Dave has an excellent idea about posting a form within one's company. In my plant alone, there are no less than 3 managers that have about 23 cars between them. I'm going to poll them tomorrow for their thoughts.

Regards, Peter.

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I restored a motorcycle years ago and when installing the rear fender scraped the old PA inspection sticker off as it had expired. No problem as I would just have it inspected again. Went for a ride (could not wait) and got pulled over for a vehicle running on the roads without a current inspection. The cop asked about the missing sticker and I told him the story. My license was taken for 15 days for removing a old inspection sticker and driving a vehicle on the roads without one. First offense and lesson learned. I was told that it is better to have a expired sticker then none at all and you are not to remove the old one as this needs to be done by a authorized mechanic?

Things may have now changed however before removing a old sticker I would check the current laws. There are a lot of police that do not know the laws when dealing with antique vehicles in my opinion.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hard to get a ticket if you just leave the vehicle locked in the garage. None of my vehicles were purchased to impress other people. </div></div>

Not to sound like a flame, but what good is any piece of art, auto or ? if it is "Locked up in the garage" If nobody sees and appreciates it, it may as well not exist. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> It's not about "Impressing" anyone (why would you care anyway?), it's about education and appreciation for the object and it's history. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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None of my vehicles were bought to impress anyone but to drive and enjoy. In fact when I do go out for a drive I find the least traveled and populated road in the area. I just got back from a invitational concours in New Hampshire and entered my car as a do not judge. But to keep them in the garage seems like a waste of a lot of potential fun.

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After moving to Ohio I made a point of leaving my PA inspection stickers on the car. It's fun to ride around PA on trips home with pointless stickers on my windshield that'd get me a fat fine w/o the OH plates. tongue3.gif

I've never seen a bigger waste of time taken so seriously in all my civil law experience, <span style="font-style: italic">and I used to enforce PA's environmental laws!</span> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> [color:"red"] My Dad was once pulled over on his motorcycle for <span style="font-weight: bold">15 minutes in the rain</span> because <span style="font-style: italic">his <span style="font-weight: bold">raincoat</span></span> was covering the inspection sticker (and no other violation could be found) <span style="font-weight: bold">[color:"red"]!!! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> </span>

p.s.--He was a balding, clean-shaven electronic engineer in office dress on a little Kawasaki at the time. Oh, police can be <span style="font-style: italic">wonderful</span> people.

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The hell with impressing people, most people on the road could care less and look upon my ancient vehicles as impediments.

This may have been true with my Stellite {35mph} and Horstman{40mph} But friend Vauxhall really shocks Lexus and Mercedes owners, this was the most formidable sprint car of it's day and still holds 'it's own with most "modren" vehicles.I truly enjoy the shocked looks of discomfiture on these yuppies faces as I pass them with ease and a booming exhaust!

Of course each mile I put on this car must be paid for in maintenance and/or replacement parts which fortunately are reproduced but at some cost.

That, however is another story suffice it to say I simply enjoy DRIVING prewar cars. web <a href="pagehttp://www.30-98.com/" target="_blank">pagehttp://www.30-98.com/</a> web <a href="pagehttp://www.30-98.com/" target="_blank">pagehttp://www.30-98.com/</a>

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I say hurray to the original post. Howeve to keep it real simple all you have to do is put regular plates on your vehicle. I have regular plates on my 30 ( the won't give me collector plates because it is not restored and I don't have another vehicle registered)and drive it to work every day. With minor exceptions I have done so for 44 years. I think most of the problems collectors have with their vehicles is that they are not driven enough.

Happy hobbying

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Hi Everybody,

Here is on big advantage of living in the UK. My classic insurance is limited to 3000 miles but allows occasional trips to work. I have driven my '50 Caddy to work during the last 4 summers and with the current heatwave most of this week.

As I gave up my comapny car last year I have been driving a 1973 Scimitar everyday on normal insurance and Tax, so I either cruise to work at 50 mph or blast down the motorway at 90.

Back to the main point I will put this idear to varius clubs and magazines and see what they think..

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At the local Cruise-in (any and all cars welcome) every saturday nite i drive my 56 Packard and park with the rice-rod-puddle-jumper Toyotas and hondas and so-forth. Plenty of Classics show up i COULD park with but prefer to hang with the 'other' crowd. Its a good way to pick up new ideas for my Packard even if i don't use them or maybe alter the concept. If all we do is hang around other classics then thats all we become are 'other classics'. A man that never changes his style nor his looks is destined to fail. AND, i always strive to keep my Packard, Indian and other CLASSICS as original as possible.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do those of us who are retarded...oops, retired do to celebrate this "Drive your classic to work day"?</div></div>

John,

I guess you could always go work on your classic drive instead! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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