B Jake Moran Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (1) Marketplace - 1947 Dodge coupe | Facebook 7 Dodge Coupe. Runs good. Starts drives and stops. Cruise as is, or a nice start to a project. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I like it. Original paint seems honest. I hate quickie resprays in stupid colors. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 Most of us like these Mopar 42-48 3 window cars because they are different. If I had a chance to buy one, I prefer the Chrysler Windsor 6 cyl and grille, the New Yorker is the most desirable but that 8 cyl is expensive to rebuild and parts are harder to get. Now, this one obviously needs a seat, appears to missing door panels and carpet. Needs pretty much a complete restoration. While all restorations are expensive and economically unfeasible, perhaps this one costs a few bucks less, given it's Dodge 6 cylinder status and failrly low chromage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 20 minutes ago, B Jake Moran said: Most of us like these Mopar 42-48 3 window cars because they are different. If I had a chance to buy one, I prefer the Chrysler Windsor 6 cyl and grille, the New Yorker is the most desirable but that 8 cyl is expensive to rebuild and parts are harder to get. Now, this one obviously needs a seat, appears to missing door panels and carpet. Needs pretty much a complete restoration. While all restorations are expensive and economically unfeasible, perhaps this one costs a few bucks less, given it's Dodge 6 cylinder status and failrly low chromage. The eight cylinder cars are made of a unobtainium. I have seen two of the big New Yorkers for sale in the last 20 years. They just don’t seem to exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 55er Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Body might be more solid than most but this coupe has had a hard life. Still a major moneypit restoration project. Needs a complete interior and a lot of body work with all those bumps & bruises. Says cruise as is but I don't think it's safe to drive with all the broken glass. IMO it's more of a curse as is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, The 55er said: Body might be more solid than most but this coupe has had a hard life. Still a major moneypit restoration project. Needs a complete interior and a lot of body work with all those bumps & bruises. Says cruise as is but I don't think it's safe to drive with all the broken glass. IMO it's more of a curse as is. No , no cruising as is, and yes I agree that the New Yorkers are too rare, unless someone else has restored it. I don't know, but I like the Dodge front end more than the Plymouth, a bit less than the Chrysler Windsor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil morse Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, alsancle said: The eight cylinder cars are made of a unobtainium. I have seen two of the big New Yorkers for sale in the last 20 years. They just don’t seem to exist. I believe they only made 699 New Yorker business coupes from 1946-1948. I had a friend about 40 years ago who loved them and had two of them. They are almost a "cartoon car" with that long wheelbase, huge trunk, and single bench seat. Certainly the ultimate 40's three window coupe, but difficult to find, as you say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 43 minutes ago, neil morse said: I believe they only made 699 New Yorker business coupes from 1946-1948. I had a friend about 40 years ago who loved them and had two of them. They are almost a "cartoon car" with that long wheelbase, huge trunk, and single bench seat. Certainly the ultimate 40's three window coupe, but difficult to find, as you say. The one I want is the 41. They are better proportioned than the postwar cars. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 55er Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 They made 3600 Saratoga business coupes and 3635 New Yorker business coupes in 1941. Both those models had 8 cylinder engines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, The 55er said: They made 3600 Saratoga business coupes and 3635 New Yorker business coupes in 1941. Both those models had 8 cylinder engines. I'm surprised by those numbers. Given that they don't exist I would have guessed in the 100s was more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StutzM Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I'm with you on the 41 Dodge Luxury Liner, had one in college, still love the looks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edk Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Here is my 41. AJ has seen this one. 14000 original miles super nice I am lucky to have it. I also question those production numbers I remember looking but can’t remember exactly but more like a couple hundred is what I remember. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edk Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 That number may have been all body types. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 55er Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 MY PRODUCTION NUMBERS FOR 1941 8 CYLINDER BUSINESS COUPES LISTED ABOVE ARE INCORRECT! After further review, my source shows there were a total of 771 Saratoga and New Yorker business coupes combined produced in 1941. I don't have any further breakdowns. Sorry for the wrong information. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, The 55er said: MY PRODUCTION NUMBERS FOR 1941 8 CYLINDER BUSINESS COUPES LISTED ABOVE ARE INCORRECT! After further review, my source shows there were a total of 771 Saratoga and New Yorker business coupes combined produced in 1941. I don't have any further breakdowns. Sorry for the wrong information. It's OK. So, I used to have a rule of 10%. It's non scientific, but was based on some research some of us car guys did about 30 years ago. We figured that 25% of the cars production, whatever car, was gone in the 1st 4 years. This being a pre war model right at the war, maybe the survival rate was higher initially. So let's say 6 years for this 1941 model, since some were bound to be traded in post WW2. 771 x .75 = 578 cars left in 1947. After this initial period, another 25% gone in the next 5 years, in other words, roughly 50% of the cars production gone in 10 years, more or less, with 10% per decade after that until it reaches collector status. That would have 386 of these left in both series at about 1951. The 50's were the era of planned obsolescence. I have 347 by 1960, 312 by 1970, and about 280 by 1980. By the late 70's these would be considered collectible I would think, but remember - this includes ALL cars including those in ravines, junk yards, backyards, etc. We were in a statistics class, and using data from national records. Remember the old ads touting 75% of all Chevy trucks are still on the road, or similar claims. Today it is hard to imagine that perhaps 50 of these Business Coupes exist from 1941, but I would say the number would be 50-100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, The 55er said: MY PRODUCTION NUMBERS FOR 1941 8 CYLINDER BUSINESS COUPES LISTED ABOVE ARE INCORRECT! After further review, my source shows there were a total of 771 Saratoga and New Yorker business coupes combined produced in 1941. I don't have any further breakdowns. Sorry for the wrong information. That makes a lot more sense. I’ll bet the split is 70/30 Saratoga to New Yorker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, B Jake Moran said: It's OK. So, I used to have a rule of 10%. It's non scientific, but was based on some research some of us car guys did about 30 years ago. We figured that 25% of the cars production, whatever car, was gone in the 1st 4 years. This being a pre war model right at the war, maybe the survival rate was higher initially. So let's say 6 years for this 1941 model, since some were bound to be traded in post WW2. 771 x .75 = 578 cars left in 1947. After this initial period, another 25% gone in the next 5 years, in other words, roughly 50% of the cars production gone in 10 years, more or less, with 10% per decade after that until it reaches collector status. That would have 386 of these left in both series at about 1951. The 50's were the era of planned obsolescence. I have 347 by 1960, 312 by 1970, and about 280 by 1980. By the late 70's these would be considered collectible I would think, but remember - this includes ALL cars including those in ravines, junk yards, backyards, etc. We were in a statistics class, and using data from national records. Remember the old ads touting 75% of all Chevy trucks are still on the road, or similar claims. Today it is hard to imagine that perhaps 50 of these Business Coupes exist from 1941, but I would say the number would be 50-100. I’m willing to bet there’s only a dozen or so New Yorkers, maybe twice as many of the Saratoga. They just don’t exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) There are some other interesting threads on the Mopar 3 window: Edited February 14 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 hours ago, alsancle said: I'm surprised by those numbers. Given that they don't exist I would have guessed in the 100s was more likely. A.J.: The Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942, edited by B. R. Kimes and H. A. Clark states the combined total only for the eight-cylinder 1941 Chrysler Saratoga, New Yorker and New Yorker Highlander 3-passenger coupes as 771 built. The 1942 Saratoga: 80; New Yorker: 158, unobtainium, indeed! Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: The Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942, edited by B. R. Kimes and H. A. Clark states the combined total only for the eight-cylinder 1941 Chrysler Saratoga, New Yorker and New Yorker Highlander 3-passenger coupes as 771 built. The 1942 Saratoga: 80; New Yorker: 158, unobtainium, indeed! Steve That jives with what I have seen. I keep track of both the Saratoga and the New Yorker and they just don't show up. Ever. You will see the occasional Royal but that is the 6 banger. I could have bought the New Yorker I posted previously but now refuse to buy projects because I'm sober. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 8 minutes ago, alsancle said: That jives with what I have seen. I keep track of both the Saratoga and the New Yorker and they just don't show up. Ever. You will see the occasional Royal but that is the 6 banger. I could have bought the New Yorker I posted previously but now refuse to buy projects because I'm sober. A.J.: As much as I hate to admit this, I have never encountered either pre-war Saratoga or New Yorker business coupes in any junkyard we tramped through years ago when pre-war cars were still common there or even at subsequent old car flea markets. And never even a postwar example of either 8-cylinder model, but plenty of six-cylinder Mopar 3-window coupe. There were the rough remnants of a 1941 DeSoto 3-window coupe in a junkyard in the late 1980's here in Western New York with a 1955 license plate still on it. You can imagine what was left of it. Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 42 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: As much as I hate to admit this, I have never encountered either pre-war Saratoga or New Yorker business coupes in any junkyard we tramped through years ago when pre-war cars were still common there or even at subsequent old car flea markets. And never even a postwar example of either 8-cylinder model, but plenty of six-cylinder Mopar 3-window coupe. There were the rough remnants of a 1941 DeSoto 3-window coupe in a junkyard in the late 1980's here in Western New York with a 1955 license plate still on it. You can imagine what was left of it. Steve Steve, I like the 41 Desoto 3 window and that was what got be going on the business coupe quest. A 42 would be the jewel but I think there may be 3 of them. For Chrysler I prefer the 41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, alsancle said: Steve, I like the 41 Desoto 3 window and that was what got be going on the business coupe quest. A 42 would be the jewel but I think there may be 3 of them. For Chrysler I prefer the 41. A.J.: I can still see in my mind's eye what '41 DeSoto 3-window coupe looked like. It was that light gray, half-covered with wild grapevines, floors gone, replaced with woodchuck holes and dirt filling the floor space, rags of interior, rust everywhere. A few of the grille teeth missing. Poor thing, the crusher was a mercy for it. If ever any '41 8-cylinder pops up to me, you are the first call...keep your fingers crossed. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil morse Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 8 hours ago, edk said: 14000 original miles super nice I am lucky to have it. Wow, what a spectacular automobile! I can't get over how nice the interior is with all of that irreplaceable dash plastic in such great shape. I agree, you are a lucky man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 @edkthx for sharing - a jewell! Subject car may not be road ready but it is not the worst I have seen and, if one is going to look to restore as a hobbyist - best closed body style to do on thesr imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhend50 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I guess someone liked it, listing is no longer available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I couldnt get the link to open but it looks like a pretty complete solid car. Even if it needs a total motor rebuild you wouldnt have too much into it. At the local shows I go to I am seeing more of these type of cars (worn paint, cobbled interiors) with younger guys and gals. I think the appreciation for an old car is there, the desire to enjoy it now outgains the 'lets spend a lot of time and money on a restoration'. All in all it seems like a good deal for an old car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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