Talking old cars with our future computer over-lords.

[Leif in Calif]

Over the weekend, a friend showed me a site where you can use this new artificial intelligence "program" Chatgpt.

I thought it might be interesting to ask it a car question. See below, the response came back more or less instantly. 

Shows it's not quite ready to take over the world...

 

How do I renew the externally contracting rear brakes on a 1921 Buick?

 

ChatGPT

Renewing the externally contracting rear brakes on a 1921 Buick requires a few steps. However, please note that working on vintage vehicles requires specialized knowledge and experience. If you're not familiar with automotive mechanics or working on classic cars, it's recommended to consult with a professional mechanic or an experienced restorer who is knowledgeable about vintage vehicles. That being said, here is a general outline of the process:

1. Gather the necessary tools and materials: You will need a set of replacement brake shoes, a brake spring tool, a brake adjusting tool, brake fluid, brake cleaner, a brake bleeding kit, a jack, jack stands, and basic hand tools.

2. Safety first: Before starting any work, make sure to put on safety glasses and work in a well-ventilated area. Engage the parking brake and chock the wheels to prevent the vehicle from rolling.

3. Raise the rear of the vehicle: Use a jack to lift the rear of the car and secure it on jack stands. Ensure that the vehicle is stable and won't move while you're working on it.

4. Remove the old brake shoes: Locate the rear brake drums. Remove the wheel and tire assembly, and then remove the brake drum. The brake shoes will be visible inside the drum. Using a brake spring tool, carefully remove the retaining springs and pins that hold the brake shoes in place. Take note of the order and positioning of the various components as you remove them.

5. Install new brake shoes: Clean the brake drum using brake cleaner to remove any debris or oil. Install the new brake shoes in the correct orientation, following the same order as the old ones. Secure them in place with the retaining springs and pins.

6. Adjust the brakes: Using a brake adjusting tool, adjust the brake shoes to ensure they are properly aligned with the drum. The shoes should be adjusted so that they make even contact with the drum when the brakes are applied.

7. Bleed the brake system: If necessary, bleed the brake system to remove any air that may have entered during the process. Refer to the vehicle's service manual for the specific procedure to bleed the brakes on your 1921 Buick.

8. Reinstall the brake drum and wheel assembly: Carefully slide the brake drum back onto the wheel hub. Make sure it fits securely. Reinstall the wheel and tire assembly, and tighten the lug nuts.

9. Lower the vehicle: Use the jack to lower the vehicle from the jack stands, and remove the stands. Give the brake pedal a few pumps to ensure that it feels firm and responsive.

10. Test the brakes: Take the vehicle for a short test drive in a safe area. Gradually apply the brakes to test their performance and ensure they are functioning correctly. Pay attention to any unusual noises or vibrations and address them if necessary.

Remember, these are general guidelines, and the process may vary depending on the specific model and condition of your 1921 Buick. It's always recommended to consult the vehicle's service manual or seek professional assistance when working on vintage cars to ensure proper care and safety.

 

Regenerate response

 

[Xander Wildeisen]

 

[Guest]

Perhaps this is the modern-day equivalent of many of the general non-factory repair manuals of the past- just enough information to get you into trouble. Almost expected to see at the mid-point of the steps, "reassembly is the reverse of disassembly" or similar language.

[Jim Bollman]

I write a two page column for the Crosley Auto Club magazine and had a about a 1/3 page left to fill last issue and decided to play with ChatGPT and asked it "Tell me about the Crosley Car" you can tell it to try again and it's second try wasn't bad so I admitted what I was doing as an experiment and used it to fill the hole I had.  The editor put a note at the end of that section that the software she runs the magazine through to check for grammar and spelling had flagged it as artificial or plagiarize.  So I guess at least currently it can still be checked for. I also asked it a more specific Crosley question and the results were very bad.

[rocketraider]

5 hours ago, Writer Jon said:

Perhaps this is the modern-day equivalent of many of the general non-factory repair manuals of the past- just enough information to get you into trouble. Almost expected to see at the mid-point of the steps, "reassembly is the reverse of disassembly" or similar language.

Haynes Manuals have been doing this for years. 

 

Like a lot of things, "not quite ready for prime time (or public consumption)".

 

🙂

[Grimy]

It's difficult to remove the brake drums when the "parking brake" is still "engaged."  🙂

[60FlatTop]

Computers have been an integral part of my work since 1974. This is programming with actual physical outputs. During that 50 years there has been one pervading limitation, the insight of the programmer. If it is not within his paradigm of perception it ain't going to happen.

 

I should ad that the first thing I noticed in the AI reply was the use of contractions. I hate that in business communications. And I really do not think AI is at that level with me.

[Akstraw]

Like many new developments, I would expect that it will be fair before it is good, and good before it is great.

[Grimy]

One month and a few days ago, a fellow Pierce-Arrow owner tried ChatGPT with a trick question about restoring a *1939* Pierce-Arrow (business closed permanently in Jan 1938).  Here's how it went:

[edit: can't hep the spacing--I tried!]

How should I restore my 1939 Pierce-Arrow?

 

 

ChatGPT

Restoring a vintage vehicle like a 1939 Pierce-Arrow requires careful planning, attention to detail, and a love for automotive restoration. Here are some general steps to consider when undertaking the restoration process:

1. Research and Documentation:
   • Gather as much information as possible about your specific model, including original specifications, factory documentation, and historical records.
   • Consult online forums, books, and other resources to understand common issues, restoration techniques, and available parts.
2. Set a Realistic Budget:
   • Restoring a classic car can be an expensive endeavor. Evaluate your finances and set a budget that covers the cost of parts, labor, tools, and any unforeseen expenses that may arise during the process.
3. Create a Restoration Plan:
   • Assess the current condition of your Pierce-Arrow and determine the extent of restoration required.
   • Break down the restoration into manageable phases, such as mechanical, bodywork, interior, and finishing touches.
   • Create a timeline and prioritize tasks accordingly.
4. Locate Parts and Materials:
   • Pierce-Arrow parts may be challenging to find, but there are specialized suppliers, online auctions, and classified ads where you might discover original or reproduction parts.
   • Engage with the vintage car community and join relevant forums or clubs to connect with fellow enthusiasts who can offer guidance and assistance.
5. Mechanical Restoration:
   • Begin by assessing and restoring the mechanical components, including the engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, and electrical systems.
   • Repair or replace worn-out or damaged parts while striving to maintain authenticity.
   • Consult with experienced mechanics or restoration specialists for guidance, especially if you lack mechanical expertise.
6. Bodywork and Paint:
   • Carefully strip the old paint and address any rust or body damage.
   • Seek the assistance of skilled bodywork professionals if needed, as they can ensure the car's original lines and contours are preserved.
   • Choose an appropriate paint color that matches the car's original specifications or reflects your desired aesthetic.
7. Interior Restoration:
   • Restore or recreate the original interior upholstery, dashboard, and trim pieces.
   • Locate accurate materials, such as period-correct fabrics or leather, and work with skilled upholsterers to achieve an authentic result.
8. Finishing Touches:
   • Reassemble the vehicle, paying attention to fit, alignment, and proper installation of all parts.
   • Detail the car meticulously, ensuring all surfaces are clean and polished.
   • Consider adding finishing touches such as chrome plating, authentic badges, or period-correct accessories to enhance the car's authenticity.
9. Testing and Quality Control:
   • Perform thorough testing to ensure the vehicle's mechanical systems are functioning correctly and reliably.
   • Take the car for test drives to identify any issues that need to be addressed before declaring the restoration complete.
10. Enjoyment and Maintenance:
    • Once your Pierce-Arrow restoration is complete, take pride in your accomplishment and enjoy driving and showcasing your vintage automobile.
    • Establish a regular maintenance routine to preserve the car's condition and seek professional help for any complex repairs or maintenance tasks.

Remember, restoring a vintage vehicle can be a time-consuming and challenging process, but it can also be incredibly rewarding. Take your time, seek help when needed, and enjoy the journey of bringing your 1939 Pierce-Arrow back to its former glory.

 

 

Are you sure?

 

 

ChatGPT

I apologize if my previous response did not meet your expectations. As an AI language model, I can provide general guidelines and suggestions for restoring a vintage vehicle like a 1939 Pierce-Arrow. However, please keep in mind that the restoration process can vary depending on the specific condition of the vehicle, available resources, personal preferences, and the expertise of the restorer.

It is always advisable to consult with experts, restoration professionals, and fellow enthusiasts who have experience with Pierce-Arrow vehicles or similar vintage cars. They can provide specific insights, tips, and guidance based on their expertise and hands-on experience.

Additionally, joining vintage car clubs or forums dedicated to Pierce-Arrow or classic car restoration can connect you with a community of individuals who share a passion for these vehicles. They can offer valuable advice, recommendations for reputable suppliers, and even step-by-step restoration guides tailored to your specific model.

Remember, a thorough assessment of your Pierce-Arrow's condition and seeking professional guidance are essential steps before embarking on a restoration project. They can help you create a customized plan and ensure you have the necessary resources and skills to restore the vehicle successfully.

 

 

Does a 1939 Pierce-Arrow exist?

 

 

ChatGPT

I apologize for any confusion caused. I made an error in my previous responses. Pierce-Arrow ceased production in 1938, and there were no 1939 models manufactured. I apologize for the incorrect information.

Pierce-Arrow was an American automobile manufacturer that was active from 1901 to 1938. They were known for producing luxury and high-quality vehicles. While they produced several iconic models, the company faced financial difficulties during the Great Depression, leading to their closure in 1938.

If you are interested in restoring a vintage Pierce-Arrow, you may want to consider models from the 1930s or earlier. Popular models from the company's history include the Pierce-Arrow Model 48 and the Pierce-Arrow Silver Arrow.

Once again, I apologize for the incorrect information in my previous responses. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

Edited June 13, 2023 by Grimy
tried unsuccessfully to cure excessive spacing (see edit history)

[60FlatTop]

23 minutes ago, Grimy said:

Once again, I apologize for the incorrect information in my previous responses.

Interesting that the AI device decided repeating the apology was necessary. I wonder if I can get it the capitalize words to emphasize a pint.

 

Hmmm.

 

"Welcome to Bernie Daily's insider mail list. You will need a password. Would you like an automatically generated password?"

"I am an AI resource capable of generating a highly secure password. Please use PI to the final digit"

"ADMIN will not allow that password."

GGRRRRRR

[60FlatTop]

The post after Grimy's had nothing to do with what appear to be endless garbled numbers or dazzling AI platforms. It was two examples of AI "touchin' noses and never see eye to eye". You can bet your analytical engine on that.

 

 

[marcapra]

You have convinced me that asking AI to tell me how to fix the sagging door handle on my 48 DeSoto and to show me pics of the internal latching mechanism would be a waste of computer.  All I would get would be a series of the above platitudes.  

[R Walling]

 Al had one thing 100% correct, 

 

"Restoring a classic car can be an expensive endeavor. Evaluate your finances and set a budget that covers the cost of parts, labor, tools, and any unforeseen expenses that may arise during the process."

[EmTee]

Thank-you, Captain!