arcticbuicks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I have two brass carbs , wondered what they are for ? The big one “rayfield” has 200 3(or8) 09 and GL3P on other side, the smaller one has no numbers I would sell later also ……once we know what they are from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The Holley is for an early to mid teens Model T Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 thanks so much,is there any demand for these ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 i am a little bit familiar with the Rayfield carbs being aftermarket also........just wondering if this one is factory for a Brand of car ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) They were factory on a few cars, but I believe most were sold aftermarket. As far as I know there is no way of telling which ones would have been factory installed . Mostly small volume, higher end makes, late teens / early 20's. Information in general about many of this sort of car is somewhat hard to track down. And not a lot of Rayfield documentation out there either from what I recall. Carbking has posted information about Rayfield from time to time on the forum. It might pay off to do a search. Edited January 10, 2023 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoringicons Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 The Holley is a 1912 Model T Ford-one year only. It's a good and valuable Model T part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 Thanks, what’s a rough guess value price on the T carb ? from little I know there were good catalogues on the Rayfield……and apparently the “ p” at the end of the GL3P is possibly what brand of car it was for ? I am not any expert on these , just did some research today . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) carbking has several Rayfield catalogs and service documentation for sale on his website. But I believe Rayfield material is reasonably rare and generally rather expensive. I have been looking at swap meets for at least the last 20 years and have not yet found any Rayfield catalogs or service books. Quite a few Rayfield carbs however, they seem to show up quite frequenty .Prices all over the map. Edited January 11, 2023 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, motoringicons said: The Holley is a 1912 Model T Ford-one year only. It's a good and valuable Model T part. Yes. Now that you mention it and a closer look. Agreed. 1912. Edited January 11, 2023 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldford Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Reo used the Rayfield carburetor up through 1922 as OEM. After 22, they switched to a Schebler... Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 The early Lexington cars used Rayfield carburators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 what a fair price on the model T carb ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Rayfield carbs were used on lots of original applications. I have 431 different listings, and due to the lack of documentation, I am certain there are more. As to the comment about the scarcity of Rayfield documention; VERY true. In almost 50 years, I have found one "book B", two "book C", and one "book D". One would assume that were was also a "book A" or an unlettered book prior to "book B", but if so, I have not seen one; and no individual that I know, or library that I have contacted has seen one. "Book D" was published in 1919. So very little documentation post-1919. I have unashamedly begged on this forum before for either a later factory Rayfield book, or O/E parts books copies. Jon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 Thanks carbking,now I know what to watch out for in old car shop finds …..but that’s old and slim chance it sounds like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Very interesting Jon! Of those 431 listings , are they all OEM ? Or does that include Rayfields listings of applications where Rayfield is a recomended substitute for some other OEM carb ? 431 sounds like a very large number if all OEM. I did not think they were that popular as OEM. Edited January 12, 2023 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Those are all OEM. Of course some of them are for multiple years of the same vehicle. I show 84 different makes using them as OEM, including the 1914 70 HP version of your namesake As far as finding the Rayfield books: book B came from a junkyard in Michigan (Barney somebody) along with the ONLY Kingston book I have ever seen. The good book C came when we acquired the remains of Stromberg from the office of the chief engineer. The book D came from Carter along with the drawings from Carter Engineering. The book C with the torn cover I actually found on ebay about 25 years ago. Jon Edited January 12, 2023 by carbking (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Thanks ! Regarding the 1914 70 HP Staver Chicago. This model was in the 1914 catalog, but if any were actually made it was only a very smll number. It was a top of the line model with a Teetor Hartley 6 { same engine as some of the bigger American Underslungs } rather than the Teetor Hartley 4 that most Stavers used. Staver was on its last legs by 1914, and if any were made it would not have been more than a handfull. No 70 HP Stavers are known to survive. Not that there are many Stavers around of any sort. Some of the 4's may have had a Rayfield as well ? Same engine as a 1912 era American Underslung Tourist { the mid size, 4 Cyl American }. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLF Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 My 14 Mitchell 6-60 has a Rayfield on it from the factory. Seems to be a good carb. Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 nice,is the block aluminum or a alloy ? did mitchell have a 8 cyl ? the reason i ask is i know of a 8 cylinder similar engine in a garage with aluminum block on a whole chassis and did not see any tags or ID and your pic reminded me of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 That "Barney" from Michigan was probably Pollard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLF Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 11 hours ago, arcticbuicks said: nice,is the block aluminum or a alloy ? did mitchell have a 8 cyl ? the reason i ask is i know of a 8 cylinder similar engine in a garage with aluminum block on a whole chassis and did not see any tags or ID and your pic reminded me of it The crankcase is aluminum and the cylinders are cast iron. That was very typical in those days. Mitchell never had an 8 cyl engine that early. Maybe in the 20's?? You can see that my engine doesn't have removable cylinder heads. Again this was very typical back then . If the engine you know about has a removable cylinder head then it's probably 1915 or newer. Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 11:14 AM, arcticbuicks said: thanks so much,is there any demand for these ? I'd be interested in the Model T Carb, please send me a PM. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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