Gary_Ash Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Ed may have the great 1917 White, but President Taft had a 1909 steam-powered White with a 40 hp engine and 122” wheelbase. Today it lives at the Heritage Museum in Sandwich, MA on Cape Cod. We toured the shop at the museum this evening, enjoyed a lot of neat old cars. Here are a few. The 1909 White steamer with President Taft (400 lb) aboard. The White Model M steamer today. Gary Cooper’s Duesenberg J. The Duesenberg engine - impressive even now! 1916 Crane-Simplex with 565 cu in straight six, 110 hp. A monster! Oh, and an electric Red Bug in the background. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I'll add my photos of a couple of Great Whites. Craig 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Another Auto Red Bug, and a Briggs & Stratton. Craig Edited May 20, 2021 by 8E45E (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The Duesenberg is interesting. Was that the color combination when Gary Cooper owned it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Thanks for the great pics! The White is impressive, and I love the little Briggs and Stratton machine. Complete opposites of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, GregLaR said: The Duesenberg is interesting. Was that the color combination when Gary Cooper owned it? Those are the colors from new. It sat for thirty years and recently was made into a runner and cleaned up. Great car, colors........so-so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Gary, it’s been over forty years since I have had a ride in a White steamer. They are true road locomotives. My 1917 is probably faster on the top end, but out of the hole, steam will win every time. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Not so sure on the Duesenberg... Looks like a restoration sometime? Frame was black or darker than it is now, side mount mirrors are gone, interior is a new color, side mount covers were painted, looks like the original has a lighter color body side molding most likely matching the fender color, the top cover is a cheap copy of the original, door hinges were painted, looks like the steering wheel was lighter color also? no wind wings.... 2021...gray scale 1931 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) GM, This is very interesting when you show the two pictures side by side in gray scale. There are quite a few differences and it does make the orig. main body color look darker than the later pale yellow. The pattern is different as well with a color change above the upper belt line. Greg Edited May 20, 2021 by GregLaR (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) I know the shop that did the most recent work on the car. The colors are correct. I can’t answer to the gray scale side by side, but differences in film and electronic technology are probably the reason. The car underwent a restoration many years ago, and has lacquer paint on it. Besides seeing it in the restoration shop being serviced, I was parked next to it with J-357 three years ago on Cape Cod at a CCCA Grand Classic. Edited May 20, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 A black and white photo may not be simple grayscale. Sometimes colored or polarizing filters were used to increase contrast or just change the look. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The bright yellow as seen on that Duesenberg was not all that unusual on higher end cars in those years, but was usually paired with dark brown or black. For example, Studebaker offered the combination of Canary Yellow & Chippendale Brown in 1931. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Since it was Gary Coopers car... and if it was yellow and green, there would be an account of the colors in some Hollywood star magazine from 1931, they would have described the colors because they would be as outlandish then as it is today. My money would be this classy combination....with light green leather, to match the side molding and under the fenders. This is the only other Duesenberg I could find in bright yellow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 18 hours ago, edinmass said: The colors are correct. I can’t answer to the gray scale side by side, but differences in film and electronic technology are probably the reason. I agree with Ed's judgment on the Duesenberg colors. Even something as simple as shadow and shade may account for the perceived differences between then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Edited May 21, 2021 by mike6024 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, mike6024 said: What color combo was this one? Gary Cooper's Supercharged Duesenberg 35 SJ. I could be wrong? (Like that has never happened?) But I am pretty sure that car is a Mercedes? Don't know who the girl is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, mike6024 said: That is a Motor Trend photo shoot with Gary Cooper's car Female Model Working Supercharged Duesenberg 35 SJ UNITED STATES - AUGUST 24: Female Model Supercharged Duesenberg 35 SJ. You could't overestimate an SSSJ owner, for there were only two, Clark Gable and Gary Cooper, who constantly raced. This one was Cooper's It's now at Briggs Cunningham, Museum in California. This car and caption appeared in the December 1967 issue of Motor Trend. (Photo by Gerry Stiles/The Enthusiast Network via Getty Images/Getty Images) Something about "never let the facts get in the way of a good story"?🤔 Edited May 21, 2021 by Ozstatman spelling (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) They got the captions for the photos wrong I guess because they were going by the table of contents of that magazine issue? Edited May 21, 2021 by mike6024 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Female Model Working Supercharged Duesenberg 35 SJ UNITED STATES - AUGUST 24: Female Model Supercharged Duesenberg 35 SJ. You could't overestimate an SSSJ owner, for there were only two, Clark Gable and Gary Cooper, who constantly raced. This one was Cooper's It's now at Briggs Cunningham, Museum in California. This car and caption appeared in the December 1967 issue of Motor Trend. (Photo by Gerry Stiles/The Enthusiast Network via Getty Images/Getty Images) (This pic shows the 3 pointed star best) Those pictures obviously are not taken from that magazine. Edited May 21, 2021 by mike6024 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 In the black and white picture, the yellow area looked darker than the green, which didn't seem right, so in searching for more pictures using "Gary Cooper Duesenberg" these photos showing the Female Mechanic showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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