Marty Roth Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, bobg1951chevy said: Once again, the original question was only asking if a deduction would occur for radial tires, when being judged. Bob, the answer is yes, since the car could not have been correctly supplied by the factory to the dealer, or sold by the dealer to the consumer as a correct factory authorized dealer option with them when new 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 And once again the focus is in the bits and bytes and not on the big picture: If the issue with radials is the construction, why not deduct the same for bias tires that are not the same as OEM ? (and a "2 ply / 4 ply rated rayon" tire is not the same as a "4 ply polyester" and far removed from "bias-belted"). If going to pick nits on a maintenance and safety item then let's pick nits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 It's not picking nits. Ray Charles could tell the difference between a modern radial and a bias tire. It's the outward appearance we judge, not the internal construction. Same as we judge paint, by appearance, not formula. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Yes, I can feel the DOT and FMVSS markings also. So if a radial has the same outward appearance and markings as a BIAS tire, it would be OK ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 padgett, The original question has been answered many times in this discussion. You really don't have to continue to argue. AACA Judges follow the judging guidelines. We judge by those rules. If you don't like the rules, if you are an AACA member, you can lobby to have the rules changed. You have previously indicated not having an interest in judging. Why do you feel the need to continue to argue about something that you have claimed does not interest you? The rules require a deduction for inauthentic radial tires. Until those rules change, inauthentic radial tires will receive a deduction in AACA Judging. The fact that you don't like reproduction bias style tires does not change the rules. Please stop arguing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Marty Roth said: Bob, the answer is yes, since the car could not have been correctly supplied by the factory to the dealer, or sold by the dealer to the consumer as a correct factory authorized dealer option with them when new Marty, I understand the question was answered, but my comment was written because the conversation had become argumentative, which serves no purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 This is why I use the ignore option and it is not Bob or John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Curti said: This is why I use the ignore option and it is not Bob or John Many thanks Curti, and Merry Christmas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Frazee Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Bob, Tires are always a topic of lively discussions whenever AACA folks get together, as are hose clamps. The good news is that you won't have to worry about correct radiator hoses or clamps with your Corvair. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted December 25, 2017 Author Share Posted December 25, 2017 MERRY CHRISTMAS to all AACA members, and thanks for the ongoing guidance. It is certainly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted December 25, 2017 Author Share Posted December 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Roger Frazee said: Bob, Tires are always a topic of lively discussions whenever AACA folks get together, as are hose clamps. The good news is that you won't have to worry about correct radiator hoses or clamps with your Corvair. Very good Roger ...... very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Roger, Ah, but we DO have hose clamps on our air cooling/heater hoses! And yes, the OEM are not worm gear style.... Most are now! And there have been many a Corvair owner who used aluminum 4" dryer duct for the flexible fabric hose to the heater.... ARGH! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Frazee Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Frank DuVal said: Roger, Ah, but we DO have hose clamps on our air cooling/heater hoses! And yes, the OEM are not worm gear style.... Most are now! And there have been many a Corvair owner who used aluminum 4" dryer duct for the flexible fabric hose to the heater.... ARGH! Count me among the sinners who installed worm gear clamps and aluminum heater duct. Warm and toasty heat on a budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 My car in high school was a '60 Corvair 4 door. I remember it having a gasoline heater. Is this possible or is my memory playing tricks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 There was a gasoline heater option. It was on the passenger side of the trunk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, padgett said: There was a gasoline heater option. It was on the passenger side of the trunk. Yep, that's where I remember it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, padgett said: There was a gasoline heater option. It was on the passenger side of the trunk. Correct ! We had that on my Dad's 1960 Corvair 4-door sedan - lost to a snowplow blade on the Long Island Expressway on the way back to New Jersey, the night of my Cousin's wedding in 1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 In 1960, the only optional heater was the gasoline heater. Optional hot air heater was first on the 1961 model Corvair. I have seen enough smoldering fabric heater hoses on the driver's side of a Corvair from the wire reinforcement coming in contact with the battery stud of the starter solenoid that running an uninsulated duct seems to be asking for the big short-fire! Earlies had a foam rubber sleeve to keep the fabric hose off the solenoid. Lates had a metal bracket to run the hose through I have seen many with either safety feature missing, or just not used by hose installer later in their life. Of course I use worm gear clamps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Frazee Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Frank DuVal said: In 1960, the only optional heater was the gasoline heater. Optional hot air heater was first on the 1961 model Corvair. I have seen enough smoldering fabric heater hoses on the driver's side of a Corvair from the wire reinforcement coming in contact with the battery stud of the starter solenoid that running an uninsulated duct seems to be asking for the big short-fire! Earlies had a foam rubber sleeve to keep the fabric hose off the solenoid. Lates had a metal bracket to run the hose through I have seen many with either safety feature missing, or just not used by hose installer later in their life. Of course I use worm gear clamps! To avoid the danger of a short circuit, I cut a section of inner-tube and wrapped the aluminum duct where it is in close proximity to the solenoid terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 12/18/2017 at 8:41 AM, MCHinson said: I have not seen it in writing yet, but I heard from someone that I trust that the deduction for tires will be decreased in the new judging guidelines for 2018. I guess it is just a rumor now, but I trust the guy I heard it from. If this is correct, it would make it much easier to receive an award with inauthentic radial tires. When will the judging manual be available for 2018 ? Call headquarters for a copy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 They are available now. I picked one up at the Annual Meeting in Philadelphia. The major change for this year is that tires are now indeed a two point maximum deduction instead of a five point maximum deduction. You can order one from headquarters for a small fee, or you can download it in a pdf format for free: http://www.aaca.org/images/judge/2018_Judging_Guidelines.pdf You can also receive if for free when attending any National Judging School. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 They are out now Bob, I got one in Philly last week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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