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keiser31, I hate to disagree with you as you are the god of old car knowledge, but the second car is a 51 Frazer not a 51 Kaiser.

Check the difference in tail lights.

51 Kaiser

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51 Frazer

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Kaiser/1951Frazer-c.jpg

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keiser31, I hate to disagree with you as you are the god of old car knowledge, but the second car is a 51 Frazer not a 51 Kaiser.

Check the difference in tail lights.

51 Kaiser

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0LEV7us1dZUZm0ApT0PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTB0ZjNuMHJ1BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwM18x?p=51+kaiser&back=http%3A%2F%2Fus.yhs4.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3D51%2Bkaiser%2Bphoto%26type%3Dvst_omxmedia_15_02_ff%26param1%3D1%26param2%3Dcd%253D2XzuyEtN2Y1L1QzuyCzzyD0DyEtAyE0Fzyzzzy0E0CyCzzzztN0D0Tzu0StCtCtDtAtN1L2XzutAtFyCtFtCyCtFyCtN1L1CzutCyEtBzytDyD1V1ByEtN1L1G1B1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyBtDyE0B0EyC0C0AtG0CyD0AyBtGtDtAtBzytG0DyDtBtCtGtC0Bzz0CzytC0Ezz0BzzzzyD2QtN1M1F1B2Z1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyEtBtBzy0Ezy0C0EtG0DzztB0FtGyEyCtC0EtGzzyByE0DtG0CyEyByDyDzytB0CyCyBtCtB2Q%2526cr%253D1736994034%2526ir%253D142905_s4%2526elng%253Den%2526elcl%253Dus%2526a%253Dvst_omxmedia_15_02_ff%2526f%253D4%2526cat%253Dweb%2526ulng%253Den-US%25252Cen%25253Bq%25253D0.5%2526sid%253D81e501de7508f314487045320782385f%2526stype%253Dvst_omxmedia_15_02_ff%2526sesid%253D531e77c6b7c0acdb1fa00c413be2dcc9%2526csr%253D0%2526ipblock%253D0%2526b%253DFirefox%2526bv%253D35.0%2526os%253DWindows%252B7%2526cc%253Dus%2526ip%253D70.185.217.68%2526pa%253Dvosteran%26hsimp%3Dyhs-fullyhosted_003%26hspart%3Diry%26ei%3DUTF-8&w=500&h=375&imgurl=farm6.staticflickr.com%2F5050%2F5312694757_f8a96bde7d_z.jpg&size=137KB&name=5312694757_f8a96bde7d_z.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fgreggjerdingen%2F5312694757%2F&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fgreggjerdingen%2F5312694757%2F&type=&no=4&tt=120&oid=75853fc72580b5d2e925ca151de2655e&tit=Recent+Photos+The+Commons+Getty+Collection+Galleries+World+Map+App+...&sigr=11nib7e8l&sigi=11nr1fqav&sign=10rqccfck&sigt=103vg5ole&sigb=1q8dsbg7m&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&hspart=iry&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003

51 Frazer

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Kaiser/1951Frazer-c.jpg

Yep. My name is Keiser, but I know almost nothing about Kaisers or Frazers. Thank you for the lesson.

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The 1962 Chrysler. was it a push button transmission or a shifter on the floor..

I was told it had one on the floor.

I could not find a picture online yet...

It could have the push button automatic or the 3 speed on the floor.

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Guest AlCapone
Yep. My name is Keiser, but I know almost nothing about Kaisers or Frazers. Thank you for the lesson.

You certainly handled that with class Keiser. Wayne

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Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J, Aero Willys, and Jeep were products of Kaiser Frazer Corporation which was the successor to Graham-Paige Company. The names Manhatten and Vagabond were used by both Kaiser and Frazer. There were slight styling differences between the Kaiser and Frazer like the tail lights and interior materials. The name Vagabond was also used by Henry J. The 1951 Frazer Manhatten convertible was the last U.S. 4 door convertible until the 61 Lincoln was introduced. The Kaiser Darrin was the first US fiberglass bodied sports car hitting the market a month ahead of the Chevrolet Corvette. In 1952 and 1953 an upscale Henry J was sold by Sear Roebuck in southern states as the Allstate and featured Sears Allstate brand tires, tubes, batteries and sparkplugs. Allstates had opening trunk lids which Henry J's did not, and were offered with either 4 or 6 cylinder Willys engines. Less than 2,500 Allstates were built.

Kaiser Frazer was formed in 1945 by Henry J. Kaiser (Kaiser steel & aluminum) and Joseph Frazer who had been president of Graham-Paige. Frazer left the company in 1951 and the last Frazer car was produced in 1952 after 10,000 K-F units had been produced.

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Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J, Aero Willys, and Jeep were products of Kaiser Frazer Corporation which was the successor to Graham-Paige Company. The names Manhatten and Vagabond were used by both Kaiser and Frazer. There were slight styling differences between the Kaiser and Frazer like the tail lights and interior materials. The name Vagabond was also used by Henry J. The 1951 Frazer Manhatten convertible was the last U.S. 4 door convertible until the 61 Lincoln was introduced. The Kaiser Darrin was the first US fiberglass bodied sports car hitting the market a month ahead of the Chevrolet Corvette. In 1952 and 1953 an upscale Henry J was sold by Sear Roebuck in southern states as the Allstate and featured Sears Allstate brand tires, tubes, batteries and sparkplugs. Allstates had opening trunk lids which Henry J's did not, and were offered with either 4 or 6 cylinder Willys engines. Less than 2,500 Allstates were built.

Kaiser Frazer was formed in 1945 by Henry J. Kaiser (Kaiser steel & aluminum) and Joseph Frazer who had been president of Graham-Paige. Frazer left the company in 1951 and the last Frazer car was produced in 1952 after 10,000 K-F units had been produced.

Thanks for that clear concise history !!:cool:

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Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J, Aero Willys, and Jeep were products of Kaiser Frazer Corporation which was the successor to Graham-Paige Company. The names Manhatten and Vagabond were used by both Kaiser and Frazer. There were slight styling differences between the Kaiser and Frazer like the tail lights and interior materials. The name Vagabond was also used by Henry J. The 1951 Frazer Manhatten convertible was the last U.S. 4 door convertible until the 61 Lincoln was introduced. The Kaiser Darrin was the first US fiberglass bodied sports car hitting the market a month ahead of the Chevrolet Corvette. In 1952 and 1953 an upscale Henry J was sold by Sear Roebuck in southern states as the Allstate and featured Sears Allstate brand tires, tubes, batteries and sparkplugs. Allstates had opening trunk lids which Henry J's did not, and were offered with either 4 or 6 cylinder Willys engines. Less than 2,500 Allstates were built.

Kaiser Frazer was formed in 1945 by Henry J. Kaiser (Kaiser steel & aluminum) and Joseph Frazer who had been president of Graham-Paige. Frazer left the company in 1951 and the last Frazer car was produced in 1952 after 10,000 K-F units had been produced.

Bob, Some Henry J's did have trunk lids. I think it was a running change during the 1951 model year. I have photos of them with and without trunklids.

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