Steve_Mack_CT Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Here is one for discussion (without hi-jacking Graham Man's thread) I can think of two 2-door Phaetons: The 30-31 Model A Ford (on my want list if I ever buy another "A) and the Jeepster. I believe these are "true Phaetons" based on my understanding of commonly accepted definitions.Can this knowledgeable group come up with any others??? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I've seen a couple of Mercedes 500/540K two-door phaetons, and this Lancia Dilambda (which is actually a two-door dual-cowl phaeton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Buick built two door 'convertible phaetons' - their nomenclature - in their 50 and 60 Series in 1932 - 1932 Buick Convertible Victoria Factory Photo | eBay - and no doubt others did too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Chrysler Imperial had a great two door Phaeton in 1929. I'll find a photo for you. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think the Chrysler was a convertible Victoria but don't forget the 810 and 812 Cord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscheib Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Steve,I am sorry I did not see this sooner and I am embarresed it tokk someone in NZ to let you know. I have seen a 50 series car here in CT, but the asking price some time ago was more then I would spend. Thgis was aModel 58C. They also built a 68C and a 98 (the biggest series) and I have also seen that car. I guess it all depends on defination, but that is what Buick called them 2doors and seating for 5 in two rows. And a detachable plated piece at the back of the front window.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bkazmer Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Marketing depts aside (the GM convertible sedans called "all weather phaetons" and the Cord), a "true phaeton", like a "true roadster" does not have side windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yes, agreed, the Cord to me should have been called a convertible Victoria , but that's a moniker for an earlier style car, so the company called it a phaeton. If it's a two door phaeton, then so is the 1931-32 Chevrolet landau phaeton, two doors, with roll up windows. I've always wanted one....That said, the Packard Darrin was a convertible Victoria, and if we're ignoring windows, it should be in the list of two door open cars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lichtfel Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The discussion of body styles and names has been going on for years. It started with the names of the different carriages.phaeton, spider phaeton, coupe, rally cart, brougham, town coach, racing cart, roadster and so forth. When the horseless carriage arrived they used many of the terms from the carriages and some new names were added, "touring car, sedan & town car".The runabout, roadster, limousine, coupe and delivery wagon are all names from the carriage days. If you look in the early Dykes manuals they will describe the different models. Originally they were pretty basic, But over the years marketing started to use names to enhance their sales and they didn't follow the original meanings of the words. This is why there is so many different arguments as to model names. Depends on the year the names were used. RHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 There's been quite a lengthy thread on this forum about a 1915 Standard "Chummy Roadster". It's an open car, rag top, no windows, two doors and a back seat. It's clearly of the same styling genre as a Model A deluxe phaeton, but 15 years older, and with a V-8 engine. It's all in what they called it, not in what it was.Gil Fitzhugh, Morristown, NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 As I mentioned in the other thread about phaetons, if one keeps the argument to a specific maker that offered both a phaeton and a touring, it is quite easy to answer the question about the differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Years ago we rewooded an open Marmon with 2 top cowl vents. Guys in the shop called it a Dual Cowl Vent Phaeton. It's all in the nomenclature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 If you just stick to Model A Fords, in 1930-31 they offered the Deluxe Phaeton (2-door) and Standard Phaeton (4-door, with plainer trim). No jump seats on either. Most people would have said that the four door was a touring car, which is what Ford called the similar 1927 Model T.Gil Fitzhugh, Morristown, NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yep, I think the 2-door 30-31 "A" is one of Ford's best Model A bodystyles - the 4 door is nice also, but not quite as unique.Interesting group of cars, can't believe I missed another obvious one, the Cord. West of course, would find the obscure Classics...Any others?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 In 56, Mercury resumed the name "phaeton" for its new four door hardtop model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Graham-Paige built a number of 2-door phaetons in the late-20s that would fit the definition perfectly. Open car, no windows, one windshield, two doors, with a back seat. We actually have one coming up soon that's a very strange bird, especially with right-hand drive, but there's no question it's a 2-door phaeton. This isn't the exact car we're listing, but pretty much identical to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Ford first used the term Fore-Door Touring in 1912 when he added a front door on the right side up front, the left or drivers side was a fixed panel. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Matt, the Graham-Paige has nice lines, hopefully yours is a little better color combination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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