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I want my car transported! Help!!!

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Greetings all. I recently pruchased a 1937 Pontiac 4-door sedan, and am having a problem finding a transporter at a reasonable price. I need the car picked up from Helena Montana, and delivered to Tampa Florida. The company I went with quoted a pretty good price, so I am wondering if this may have a lot to do with not finding a driver for the job. The car runs and drives, and I was wanting an open carrier transport because of the price. Yes, the bad economy helps determine what I can afford. Below is the email I got from the company I hired, so read it for yourself, and see what you think.

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"I have had no luck getting a carrier on your load. I have even go so far as increasing the carrier pay to a higher rate than the tariff I quoted you to simply see if rate was an issue and still no response from drivers.

It quite honestly baffles me that no one wants this load. The older model cars are always hard to pickup, but never this hard. I am able to look at the load board to see what the carrier rates on the last few loads from MT to FL were and every one of them was about 30 cents per mile. I have yours well over that right now.

I will continue to try and find a driver, but should you choose to try another company I do understand. At this point I just want it picked up and it doesn't matter to me if we profit anything.."

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It has now been over 3 weeks, and still they can not find a driver willing to pick this car up. The guy who sold me the car is itching for the car to get out of his garage to make room for his jeep. I already have the title, the bill of sale, various parts I have already obtained, all this except for one thing....the car!

Any suggestions?

THank you for any and all opinions on this.

Bofus

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I have used MINUTEMAN Transport a number of times and have been happy with them. What I like about them is that I live in Sebring, FL and so does one of their regular drivers. I used to use PASSPORT and they were great too. PASSPORT is now FEDEX and they'll haul a car from anywhere to anywhere. Just look in Hemmings and start calling around. I've gotten good prices in the past from EXOTIC but haven't used them because I'm experienced with MINUTEMAN.

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Thank you for the info Dynaflash8. However, by checking on them, they seems to only have enclosed carriers. The expense would be too much for me to handle. I got a quote of over $2000 from Fedex transport. This is more than twice the amount that I have gotten quotes on for open carriers. Granted, and enclosed carrier would be great, but for me, the economy dictates open carrier. I will give Minuteman a call this morning to get a quote, and see if they do any "open carrier" transporting. If they are anything like Fedex, they'll be way above the amount I can pay.

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I don't think Minuteman does open hauling, but you can check. Cross country on an open trailer is really going to be nasty to your car. Try Scarecrow Auto Transfer out of Indianapolis, IN at 740-531-0048. I don't know if he will go that far, but he hauls one car on a rollback, and pulls and enclosed trailer with a second car. I wasn't the one who hired him, but he brought me a car from North Carolina and it got here safely. He has a Federa MC number and is bonded. And his card says "Nationwide Auto Shippers". His price was good, but I like the big trucks the best, especially in winter, so on my next car I chose Minuteman because of my past experience with George and Lanny and the big tractor trailer truck. It's winter up north with lots of snow.

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Make ABSOLUTELY sure you know who you are dealing with and that you have all the info you need. There are many good haulers out there with open trailers but there are also horror stories. Real horror stories and you can find out about some of them doing a search on this site.

Car Haulers like Reliable. Fed-Ex, etc are a bot more expensive for sure but the cost of haing your car damaged or vandalized in an open trailer may not be worth the price! Get references, make sure you know that the car is coming directly to you and not sitting somewhere for weeks, etc. Good luck

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This company sounds like a broker who contracts with independent drivers. My personal opinion is you are better off dealing directly with the individual or company who will be actually transporting the car.

One of the problems is the winters in the north can really get nasty with snow & ice. The driver will be driving through MT, WY, SD NE, IA, MO, KY & TN. Everyone of these states can have nasty storms into April. If you can wait till the middle of April, you should find a driver.

I know of someone who moved a car from Columbus OH to Seattle WA. They wound up getting a rental truck and driving it themselves. They used a local towing company with a roll back to move the car in and out of the truck. I am not sure the national truck rental company was aware of the cargo but the car was braced and didn't move on the trip.

Ten years ago I purchased a car 250 miles away. To get it home, I rented the smallest truck that could haul an open car trailer. I placed the car on the trailer, the rental and gas cost was just a little higher than quotes I had received. My wife drove our car home and we had the time.

U-haul has a list of cars that can be hauled on a trailer and most old cars are not on the list. With some explanation and negotiation, they will let you rent the unit.

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Thanks guys fior your replies. You make a newbee feel right at home. I understand about the price being low, but keep this in mind. I am new to all of this. Never had a car transported, and at this rate may never do it again. I sent out requests all over for estimates on hauling this car, and I took it for granted that they would be quoting me legit prices. I got estimates from one extreme to the other. Some as low as $700, and some over $2,000. I agree that an open carrier is NOT the way to go, but I'm working on a shoe-string budget as it is. Because of the price, I really don't have any choice. We can't always afford steak and lobster all the time.:D

I just found out that my daughter who lives in Jacksonville and her husband who works on motorcycles is working on somes bike that is a car hauler. Also, she said that he goes through Helena Mt. This is what the wife said. There could be something lost in the translation, so I'm not going to get my hopes up until she calls and talks to me.

I found that a driver made an offer to pick up the car for $1,500. This sounds a bit steep for an open carrier. I'll let you know what happens. Again, I thank you for your responses to my delima.

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A slightly different perspective from Trulyvintage comments is if the tow vehicle gets 10 miles to the gallon divided into 2500 miles that is 250 gallons of fuel required. With a ballpark price of fuel at $2.50 a gallon that is $625.00 in fuel alone. Hope for a back haul.:)

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Yea Larry, I hear where you are coming from. I was thinking that the hauler would be carrying maybe 6-8 cars at a time. Of course, the miles per gallon would not be at 10, but even a smaller number divided by 6 or 8 vehicles would bring the price down a bit for the gas. Well, this is what I was hoping for. Like I said before, all of this is totally new to me. When these companies gave me shipping quotes, my mistake was to believe them. Live and learn I guess. In time, there HAS to be someone who is going through the area with an empty space just waiting for my car.

Bofus

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Bofus,

I sold one of my cars right after driving it on The AACA Founders Tour in Vermont. I left it in Central Pennsylvania so that the buyer could arrange easier pickup by his carrier, rather than from my home in New Orleans to his place in Oregon.

Turns out that he was working through a Broker who would contract out to multiple small-time carriers with 2-, and 3-car open haulers behind a 1-ton pickup. Probably decent guys for the most part, and I've met several who are OK.

Well, the friend who agreed to hold my car, knowing it would be a week or so, was inconvenienced because it took almost 3 months for pickup, and this was in June, not wintertime. The car was going to Oregon, and apparently was left in 3 or 4 separate brokerage holding lots along the way, and turned over to at least that many different driver/operator/transporters -- picture a red '63 Impala convertible with a brand-new white convertible top - never left outside - now subject to storage lots, open transport by guys who normally haul Toyotas, Hyundais, and similar stuff.

When the buyer finally got the car, he called me to complain that trying to drive it home from the city where he had to go to claim it from the transporter, it wouldn't drive straight. Remember, I had, prior to the sale, just driven it without problem, on tour. I asked him to take a look at the steering, tie-rods, etc.

He called back, and I think he has embarrassed to report that it looked like one or more of the transporters, in their lack of knowledge, and lack of appreciation for cars of this era, had winched it down by by the the left- and right-side tie-rods.

No wonder the formerly-sweet-driving Impala was not tracking straight down the road.

It is even more fortunate that the improperly tied-down car didn'y come off the open trailer and destroy the car, and possibly some innocent individuals.

Sometimes ya just gets what ya pays for.

Good luck with your transport, as well as with your "new" car, and welcome to the AACA site.

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Thank you for the reply Marty. Geez, what a horror story! Well, I have been known to make mistakes in my life, but it usually only happens once. I learn quickly from them. I am hoping my daughter and son-in-laws friend materializes, and he picks the car up. I can get the car from Jacksonville to Tampa myself. I tell you, its a real *itch having to survive on a poor mans budget. I guess I am just going to have to hope (and pray) for the best. I've already got a number of parts for the car, including several windows, and if I can't get the car soon, I might start building me one with all the parts I've got. :D

When (if) it arrives, I'll be sure and post some photos of it.

Thanks again for you input, and making me feel welcome to the forum! I really appreciate that.

Jim (AKA Bofus)

BTW, GREAT looking car!

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It is unfortunate that you didn't look into transportation before you bought. Speaking as someone who periodically does hauling, your options will be limited. Getting a car hauler to do this now is unrealistic. The weather is bad and an open trailer would be devastating to you cars paint. One of my customers had a car shipped in on an open trailer several years ago from Colorado. It looked like the front was sandblasted as the paint was old yet original.

Larry is correct , as any hauler needs to make a profit. The downside to Larry's $2.50 a gallon is that as the weather warms up the gas prices and motel prices go up. My advice to you is pay the guy to store the car till May and then either go get it yourself or hope you can get a fellow AACA member to bring it as a back haul for cost only.

Wayne Koffel

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Yes Wayne, I have learned quite a bit since I got the car. I did look into the shipping aspect, and my mistake was to believe what I read. I must admit, I have to claim ignorance big time on this one. I bought the car on Ebay, and they had a tab on the page about the price of shipping.

If you get a chance, check out the link to the ebay page of the car I won. Let me know what you think. Good deal??? Bad deal??? I would be interested in hearing what you think. Here is the link:

Pontiac : 4 door : eBay Motors (item 260542504633 end time Jan-26-10 21:11:40 PST)

Well, I guess I have to figure it'l be some time before I get my car. Maybe someone "upstairs" will smile on me, open some doors, and bring my baby home.:)

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Best of luck on getting the vehicle moved. I know depending on others cam sometimes be a challenge.... but there are some good people out there.

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Well, here's an update on the shipping troubles of my car. I called the shipping company (really the broker), and told him since it has been over 3 weeks, and had no success, he was fired! His original estim,ate was $850 (open carrier), but he went up another $100 to see if a driver would take it. Well, I spoke to another broker last night, and he told me that the going rate for this shipping location was in the $1350 price range. Geez, what to do. I also listed the car on the Uship web page, so I could contact the actual drivers. Well, I got one offer so far (with a covered carrier) of $2300!. I also got a question from another driver wanting to know about the dates, as well as my price range. I told him in the $900 to $1200 price range. I guess that turned him off, because he never responded to my answers.

I am getting close to the end of my rope. I bought this car in the end of January, and still, no one wants to do the job. What do you guys think? Anyone got any ideas? BTW, I did speak to an owner/operator a few days ago, and he told me he would do it as 1 car on a flat-bed recker truck for $1200, but his schedule was full up until June.

I would appreciate any and all ideas on this one. I wouldn't want to drive the car 2500 miles to get it home, and I would hate to have to move up there.:confused:

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My post will probably get deleted .... :rolleyes:

No sympathy here - you did not do your homework

You bought something without budgeting for transport

I have helped out guys on other forums who have gotten

'the screw' by unscrupulous brokers or have been left

hanging by con artists .....

In this case - you have to pay to transport a car

you bought - just like everyone else who buys a car

If you can't afford to transport it - sell it where it is

Jim

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Jim

I feel you are being a bit more hostile than you need to be. Here's the facts, and you judge for yourself. I have always been a man of my word. I live by my word. I will cut my own throat, if telling the truth does this. I will NEVER lie! I will NEVER cheat someone, and I will NEVER deceive someone. I pride myself on my own character. That is the way I was raised. I will NEVER compromise the person I am for any amount of money. There, that is enough about the type of person I am....PERIOD!!

Before I bought the car, I DID do some research on the shipping. My mistake was believing what these brokers were telling me! Was it my fault? Well, my only fault was ingnorance on how these guys run their business. I am a man of my word, and I also expect others to be men of their words too. I had more than enough money to cover the additional shipping, but when I got some lower estimates, I realized that I would have some money left over to buy some needed parts, so when the car arrived, the parts would already be here waiting. Again, I assumed that these "brokers" were telling me the truth! The estimates ranged from the $700 to $1400 price range. I did not go with the lowest offer/estimate. I did not go with the highest either.

I already stated that THIS is my first old car, and this was the first time that I have ever looked into the shipping aspect. However, for you to come down on me because YOU are a driver (I am assuming this), and demand more money, well......its the brokers you should be angry with. NOT ME!! I don't expect, or for that matter want you to feel sorry for me in the least. I do not like arrogance in any way, shape or form. You Jim come off as being arrogant.

I am one of the nicest guys you would ever meet, but I have no problem with standing up for myself when necessary.

To the rest of you, if you have any ideas, I would appreciate hearing them.

Thanks a lot guys!

Jim (AKA bofusmosby)

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Trulyvintage, as I understand what I have read, this is one of those cases where either an Unscrupulous or incompetent broker has caused or at least contributed to his problem.

Jim, as I see it, you have four choices...

1. Figure out how to come up with the cash for a legitimate hauler's normal fee,

2. Rent a pickup truck or SUV (assuming you don't own one), Take some time off of work, rent a Uhaul trailer, and go get it.

3. Dust off your AAA Card (or get one) and go get it and drive it home, or

4. Take Trulyvintage's advice and sell it where it is.

I would not suggest option 4. As for 1, 2, or 3, only you can decide what you feel is your best choice.

Good luck with it.

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Matthew

I couldn't agree with you more, however, I am still not aware what the going rate would be for this shipment. Every time I think I am getting in touch with a shipping company, it turns out to be another broker. I have found that a broker will say anything it takes to get your business, reguardless it being the truth or not. Still, no one has told me what the going rate is for this. The only owner/operater I have spoke to said he could do it for $1200, but it would be a couple of months before he could do it. I was contacted by another broker today, and he assured me he could get a driver in the $1300 range within a week to 10 days. Am i to believe this guy? I have the money for this, but I just don't want to waist any more time, only to have the guy tell me "well, if you increase it by $300 it'l ship".

Do you happen to know what the average rate for this shipment should be? That is the problem, no one is telling me. I am only being told prices by the brokers. I hope you can understand my frustrations. BTW, #4 is not an option. No way.

I can see Trulyvintages viewpoint as well. However, he IS in the business. He knows whats going on. That doesn't mean that everyone knows what he knows. I do not. I am just getting into this hobby. If these brokers are undercutting the drivers by quite a bit, that is not my fault. THEY are the ones who are not being honest and straightforward. If I was told that the shipment would be $1200, $1500, or $1800, then I could have planned accordingly. The brokers are giving out the low bids to get customers. If all of the brokers are doing the same, then who, or rather what figure am I to believe?

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bofusmosby,

Your very first post - your very first sentence reads:

" Greetings all. I recently pruchased a 1937 Pontiac 4-door sedan, and am having a problem finding a transporter at a reasonable price. "

Your statements:

" The estimates ranged from the $700 to $1400 price range. I did not go with the lowest offer/estimate. I did not go with the highest either. "

" His original estim,ate was $850 (open carrier), but he went up another $100 to see if a driver would take it. "

" I also got a question from another driver wanting to know about the dates, as well as my price range. I told him in the $900 to $1200 price range. I guess that turned him off, because he never responded to my answers.

Your statement indicate you DO have an informed opinion of what

you consider a reasonable price to be ......

You CONTRACTED for a 2500 mile haul for $850.

You bought this car on January 26th on a 'Buy it Now' ebay auction.

It is clearly the worst winter in more than 30 years.

Someone does not have to be in the business to realize that expecting

to have a vehicle hauled for 30 cents a mile is not realistic.

That does not make me arrogant - that makes me realistic.

Clearly your definition of reasonable price does not meet the definition

of the majority of other people.

Jim

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As a someone with many similarities as you bofusmosby I can understand the "sticker shock" as it pertains to the cost of haulage.

I am new in all this as well and when I did my shipping research on buying a car in the lower "rust free" states I was shocked at the range of prices. I was looking to ship to Ottawa Canada and got from $900 to $3000. This was a strong indication that I needed to learn about this car carrier business. I must have called over ten companies and pumped them with questions, the more I asked the more questions I had for the next guy. What gave me the most info was the brokerage company that I was required to use to import the car to Canada. The guy I talked to there spent about 30 mins discussing the car carrier business and that there are many carriers that they just won't get involved with.

So all that being said.....I ended up paying $2,500 for Mackie Transport, an enclosed carrier that took care of everything and was door to door. The car I bought was only 5k but I quickly learned that these are toys we are talking about and if I wanted a that special car I would have to bite the bullet and pay what amounts to be half the price of the car for shipping.

I think what you are hearing from the likes of Trulyvintage is that regardless of who told you what it would cost you now know what it truly costs. It does suck that you were mislead but the reality is you are not going to get that car shipped for that price any time soon.

I wish you good luck...

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Jim

When I stated a "reasonable" price, I was assuming that the various estimates I got were all in the ball-park. The higher estimates I got were for enclosed carriers. Because of the price, I chose an open carrier. I also was assuming that the prices that I had gotten from the brokers were in line with what "should" be paid. Yea, its been a real eye opener.

Let me ask you a question Jim. Since you are a driver, I know that you know what the going rates are. I was contacted by yes, another broker and he told be he could have my car shipped for $1350, and that he would be able to find a driver within 5-10 days. This would be an open transport. Is this a realistic price? OR, is it still too low? Thats $500 above what the other broker quoted. This price is also upper midrange of all the quotes I was originally quoted for an open transport before I bought the car. BTW, the knowedge you have does NOT make you arrogant, no, not at all. That comes to play by the way you attacked me. If I was mistaken, then I do apologize.

Bob, yes, I have been learning more and more SINCE I went with a broker. That doesn't mean that they are all bad, but the one I chose first I see now that there was no realistic expectation on having a driver pick up the load. Thats what I get for believing what a person tells me. It truely has been a "thrill-a-minute" for me and my nerves. Live and learn I guess. The problem is, I STILL haven't gotten a realistic price for hauling my car with an open transport. All of the higher ones is for an enclosed transport, not an open one.

Jim

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bofusmosby,

I have not attacked you ;)

I have challenged your defintion of reasonable transport :confused:

Since you are asking my advice .....

Do not transport your car during the winter months on an open trailer

Wait until May at the earliest for open transport

The road conditions are such that unless you are planning to repaint

the car, you will cause considerable harm to the paint from salt, sand,

cinders, other seasonal road debris

Do not deal with a Broker

By definition, a broker promises to facilitate transport in exchange

for a credit card deposit

Contract transport directly with an individual who will be hauling

Arrange for your vehicle to be loaded - come directly to you

No offloading - no transfers

Be realistic in both timeframe and cost ;)

Helena, Montana is not exactly a transport hub

Few deliveries are made to that area - fewer still in Winter

That means a connecting load necessary to facilitate transport

of your vehicle may take months to arrange

Your timeframe and transport budget are both self imposed

As eloquently explained in the post above by stealthbob:

HOMEWORK should be done before purchase is facilitated

Jim

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