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Forgot to come back with information from my brother. Saskatchewan Wheat Pool - Newer ones were unpainted aluminum but the older ones were a rusty red, the logo was dark Yellow Manitoba Wheat Pool /MPE - white for the most part, exposed machinery at the top would be yellow, logo was circular dark green (Binscarth for eg) Cargill - medium green with circular logo of a stylized "C" United Graing Growers - older ones were white, newer ones (starting late 70's build) were gray with blue trim National - dark brown (most were purchased by Cargill but not all were painted green) Parrish & Heimbecker - they're whitish now but earlier they were a brownish greenish yellow (looked weird) - they would be closest to a tan -- I can't say I recall ever hearing of National before...either I'm too young, haven't been to enough small prairie towns, or my memory is too short.

Cool...I've only heard good things from people who have them...at least that I remember.

It's good to know I'm not the only one he's been pestering. One of these years I will fly down for the weekend as I think it should be fun. I can't see driving down at that time of the year though...the Buicks will generally still be finishing their winter nap as we usually still get some snow in April. According to the news tonight, we now have more snow than an average winter, so the road south may be closed at that time of year too from the Red River flooding.

Glad I could help.

Obsolete to them may just mean that GM isn't making them any more. I would start by checking RockAuto, and if they list them, I'm betting you could get it through your local NAPA or O'Reilly's or what have you. Good luck.

Big 'n' Beautiful Isn't that list longer than what you have in the garage Rick? Or are you gonna take the extras to work and put them on some green tractors?

Unstaged?

I'm too lazy to go back and check previous nominees / recipients, so apologies for any repeat offenders... El Presidente Rick Young...down to earth Buick guy, a driving force behind 2010 National Meet in Ames Treasurer (?) Bill Stoneberg...other driving force behind 2010 National and a big Buick booster Mr. Pre War Buick Mark Shaw...I don't think we have another as-vocal advocate of the early Buicks and driving them Mr. Buick Numbers David Corbin...spent a lot of time, energy, and money researching Buick numbers and makes himself readily available to answer questions Distractions have occurred, so my train of thought has derailed...Teresa is taking part in a "heritage fair" at school, so is asking for information we have about Sam McLaughlin and his wonderful Canadian automobiles....

The styling of the '47 is really growing on me. There is a sedanette from around that time frame in these parts. I don't often get to see the owner, but he knows I have some interest should he ever decide to part with it. Of course, I'm doing such a good job of getting to my existing projects....

Yay! The thing that gets me is the comments about Buick being a brand for the elderly. That may be so in many ways, but I know as I age, I have less tolerance for discomfort and things that don't work. Perhaps those older buyers are onto something. The other part of that is that the lineup has, until relatively recently, had interesting vehicles that were more youth-oriented. I suppose '99 was the last 2 door with the Riviera, and that is getting to be a while ago now, but the 70s (think GS, GSX), the 80s (turbo...GN, Reatta), and the 90s (last generation Riviera, superchargers) have all had some two doors, performance oriented cars. Go fast with class. Anyway, this is a nice piece to read.

For 1964, they should still have pretty complete information on the codes. The one I had done most recently, they also gave information about the rarest options for that model year. For my '75 Electra, I think it was something like 6 of this model with AM/tape deck.

Welcome Joe. That's a cheap boat (knowing what I paid for my Lund...). I think it is a good attitude that you have. One thing along those lines is that these were cars that people bought and drove. Convertibles may be valuable, but they are less practical...that is part of the reason fewer sold initially. It is great to see some of the less glorified cars getting restored. I wish you well and hope you have many happy years with your Special.

Cool...really brightens up the room. Groan.

I really like the colour too. If it is possible, it appears that Pete lost weight, looking at the photo of the hood.... BWAhahahahaha

I'm not sure how long it has been since I've seen the inside of my full line GM dealer...they drop off a loaner and pick up the vehicle and swap back after the work is done. That way I can hang out at the computer and harass all y'all. Or go to work or some other nonsense.

Did your father buy the car originally in Canada? If so, GM of Canada Vintage Services would be able to provide you with information about the car (for a fee). Otherwise, you will have to wait for someone with information on '64s to pipe up.

Hi John, I've been exchanging e-mails with Jack. There were fewer rooms set aside for the BCA meet for Tuesday and Wednesday. Those have filled up. Later in the week, the BCA rate was still available. The regular rate is only $20 more. My (personal) loss means that there are a greater than expected number of bookings for early in the week, which is a good thing for the National Meet.

Ed - generally, when one recuses oneself from judging your own car, the team captain takes over that responsibility. Keep in mind that most classes don't have multiple judging teams for a class - the Reatta classes could be considered lucky that way. The host hotel has filled the BCA rate rooms for the Tuesday and Wednesday nights. The regular rate is only $20 more though.

I called before supper and they claimed to be booked up at the BCA rate for Tuesday and Wednesday. It didn't quite make sense to me, but I'm asking questions....

ROFLMAO!!!!!

First of all, could someone please provide me with information that McLaughlins or McLaughlin-Buicks ever had Chevrolet brakes? That one is new to me. I guess if we knew what constituted the chassis and drivetrain that McLaughlin bought from Buick, then we would know for certain. The following is my understanding of things. I don't claim to have perfect memory nor perfect knowledge. However, I do know some of the facts and hope to get the rhetoric turned down a bit. I am in agreement that the first ten years constituted the McLaughlin automobile. Yes, they used Buick chassis and drivetrains. However, since the bodies were built by McLaughlin, they did not display the Buick name, except perhaps on engine parts or similar. When the first contract expired in 1917/1918, Sam McLaughlin knew he wouldn't get a deal that was as lucrative, so they sold the company to General Motors, becoming a subsidiary. Following that, up to the war, they kept the McLaughlin name on them. The primary reason was that the "one grade and that the best" slogan was known in the Dominion and the Commonwealth. It was marketing back in the day. These cars are known as McLaughlin-Buicks (according to the McLaughlin Buick Club of Canada, of which I am a member) and are generally accepted as such. Key point to note is that starting with this second arrangement, the cars no longer had bodies built and designed by McLaughlin. They were the same as American Buicks, but had some different trim levels. If you take a look at my '29 Model 51 and an American Buick '29 Model 51, you will see only a few differences, primarily in badging. I've heard that GM of Canada may have continued initially with higher level materials in the interior, but don't recall seeing any definitive proof. After WWII, the McLaughlin name was dropped from anywhere on the vehicle. I think folks have covered most of the royal cars. Of course, these were modified from original (e.g. roof made higher to accommodate the king's hats). There may be others, but if we checked royal visits prior to WWII, I suspect we would find them. The arrangement was advantageous overall. In the British Commonwealth, tariffs were lower than from countries outside the Commonwealth. So, GM had an outlet to Britain and other countries and GM of Canada had an export market in addition to the domestic market. Now, as for judging, I am not aware of a 1908 - 1917 McLaughlin at a BCA meet for judging. Before we jump down throats, perhaps we should clarify with the BCA Head Judge. Cars from after becoming GM of Canada, but pre-war would probably be judged the same as Buicks. I know from local examples that by 1938, the differences were strictly badging. However, I have heard that there were other subtle differences into the 20s / early 30s (don't know when it ended). I don't think anyone is trying to take away Canadian history, but PMO, I think you are a bit overextended by calling the 1918-1942 cars McLaughlins and not McLaughlin-Buicks. To cover another point, I am not aware of any McLaughlins (whether based on Buick chassis or McLaughlin-Buicks) based on Chevrolet underpinnings. There were McLaughlin Electrics, based on Rauch & Lang chassis.

Waiting with bated breath...that's a model one doesn't get to see very often.

Bwahahahahahaha... It becomes obvious that Rob hasn't met Mike Mike is more the sort of fellow you might describe as wiry.

Well, needing to keep in mind that this is art, and everything has a tan hue... Pioneer was orange. UGG had white with blue. I think Manitoba Wheat Pool may have been green. Sask Wheat Pool may also have been white. I could ask my brother...he works for Viterra, which happens to have come from the merger of all those above-named companies.

Am I the only one, knowing that the car was on the auction block last year, who finds the statement on the BJ site misleading? Granted, as a standalone statement, it may not be inaccurate. However, at a quick read, would one not assume that it would have had the same owner for the last 38 years? Again, I'm not trying to be nit-picky, but just really starting to notice the marketing / salesmanship on the BJ site.