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Wow that's a nice looking car. I like the Darrin Sedan a lot but this might be better looking.

Given what the V12 Dietrichs are going for these days the 2 million unrestored price is in the ballpark, and since it's been sold I see someone else agreed.

You are correct that only a small percentage of the club members frequent the ACD forum but putting it in the club newsletter would probably get you to 75% of the potential buyers in the whole world. I would try that.

The Darrin's built at Connersville were fine however the ones from Hollywood, maybe not so much.

Perhaps this is the one owned by "Doc" Clemens for many many years. Doc only had it out a few times in the last 40 years and never at a show. It's back in hiding as far as I know. Although Doc was from NY, he kept all his cars in Westborough Mass right down the road from Tom Mix.

Very cool. I like the 3 inches they took out of the windshield.

Hi John, Too bad I didn't know you had these as early this year I had to make up a set from scratch. Do you still have that neat Wymann bodied car for sale? A.J.

Hupp36 can probably give you a more definitive answer but the lone Hupp Conv was built by Hupmobile prior to Graham taking over production. Graham then built between 2-4 convertibles at the beginning of production. The blue Hollywood pictured above is the lone known survivor of the 5 passenger ( like the lone Hupp). There is also a single known surviving 2 passenger Hollywood convertible which I believe is also mentioned on that website.

Is this car still around or did the spares get moved back to the side? Or, were the spares originally mounted in the back?

I didn't have to give too many clues for you to pick out the exact car I was thinking of.

This reminds me of a circa early 70s CCCA magazine story of a DV-32 Rollston which shows the dash having a clock in place of the tach. Made me scratch my head. The other one I'm thinking of is a gorgeous low windshield DV32 that early pictures of don't seem to exist.

Steve, The car in question is one of the best if you want to talk about history/integrity and style. I think it's only for sale as long as the buyer is willing to pay the premium for 50 years of one family ownership - which is a lot I'll bet! The other Duesenberg is a barrel side which I believe came out of an Italian Museum sometime in the late 50s. I've had nothing but great experiences with both Randy and Chris. A.J.

Here is an original. While this car was being restored by Ted each pieces was measured and copied for the production of the replica bodies.

There are no public records but Randy or Chris Summer's can give you the history of any particular car if you are thinking about buying one. I think there was 8 to 10 original Touresters produced. Ted Billings rebodied about 10 in the 1970s so the saying is more like "8 built but 18 still exist". As far as the rebodies, swapped engines, etc, go - as long the the price accurately reflects the state and history of the car I don't see a problem. Some guys can only afford a 400k Billing's Tourester as the originals would be 3 to 4 times that. Passing off a Billing's bodied car as an original would be unethical and the buyer foolish for not doing their homework up front. Which reminds me of a funny story. About 25 years ago I was at a car show and a guy pulled up in a Derham Tourester Model J. I happened to have Byard Libby with me who worked for Ted on at least the last 6 cars to go out of the shop. Byard remarked to me that this was one of the cars he had built when working for Ted. I went up to the owner and introduced Byard as one of the guys that built his car. He got a really funny look on his face and asked "what do you mean by built?". He did not know it was a Billings bodied car. It was a bad day for him.

I like all Waterhouse bodies. Sadly so does everybody else which is why they are so expensive. Here are a couple of my favorites by Graber. The first was owned by Sergio Franchi and restored by my Uncle Ted Billings in the early 70s.

I can only imagine how that car felt going into a tight corner:)

The SJ was introduced in 1932. Many of the Model J have had pipes added over the years without the blower. Some were done by the factory in the 1930s but most later. As far as I can tell, there is no loss of value for pipes on a non-supercharged car. The same is true of a reproduction blower, although it probably might bump the price just a bit. As far as valuing them, there is a complex formula based on the car's history, early/late, integrity (engine/chassis/body) and most importantly body style. Putting this as gently as I can, if you buy a Model J, without really knowing what you are doing... you are foolish ...

Very few cars look good with wide whites. Some came from the factory with them so you have no choice, such as the Cord 810/812 & 53 Caribbean

Just bought a copy for 12 bucks from an online used book seller. Your quote above made me laugh out loud.

Here is a good thread on the A.K. Miller.

This kind of stuff is truly cool but very hard to value. If you can get a high appraisal for it, then donation may be your best bet. The 500 - 1000 rings true to me as a market rate (especially in current financial times) but you may be able to get a higher appraisal.

Depends on the shop & the level of restoration required. I fixed price at 200k would be a bargain for a very high quality restoration. A Time & materials job and concours quality would easily push this to 300k.

When the car was purchased in the 1930s but W. Johnson it had the current body on it. I believe Randy has paperwork to prove that.

The amount of cool stuff that was in that garage is unbelievable. All of it was purchased in Chicago prior to WWII and moved to Southern California around 1950. My Stutz blower came out of that garage and I believe was also purchased from Madis as was the Model A.