Peter J.Heizmann

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Car found...great! Case closed as is this thread.

Dave, There were numerous ones in the spectator parking area. As for judging classes on the "show field" I saw none. The entrance road was used for spectator parking (to the right) and judging classes to the left, plus, trailer parking straight ahead to the rear of the show field. All 3 of the aforementioned shared the same entrance. Peter.

Bob, Nice talking and parking next to you. Also, another thanks for the fire extinquisher I forgot in the grass. (Better than the AGNM in Dover in 2006. I actually ran over the darn thing.) As for the Friday night cruise, it was noted at the banquet by a speaker that Bristol holds the cruise-in on a regular basis during the summer. Even the nightly local news showed regular Friday attendees showing their cars along with AACA vehicles on State Street. This certainly increased the numbers. It was simply a display along with our's as guests to the city. As for the number actually on the show field National (Patty) will publish the winners list shortly and you will see the totals. Steve may chime in beforehand with the number. Regards, Peter.

orphanbaby... Sorry for digressing with my previous post. "Welcome to the AACA Forum". Reminder: The AACA has the "finest" and most comprehensive Library & Research Center within the old vehicle hobby. Regards, Peter J.

Excellent, Rusty. Hit the nail on the head, again. From day one of the creation of this AACA Forum by Peter Gariepy and the late Ron Barnett I personally have found that to retain/archive all posts, subjects, etc., imperative. Rusty, we have had many respondents over the years that simply became tired of spending literally hours expressing their very technical knowledge in answer to someone's query only to have, for example, someone ask the same question 6 months later. People get "burned-out". Not even a basic "thank you" from the person asking for assistance. I have been pushing (to frustration I might add) the "SEARCH" function within the header bar for years. All of the past "great" technical information is at one's finger tips if they dare scroll past the "General Forum". That is why we retain the past posts. This AACA Website comes at a huge expense to the AACA to service members, non-members, and, guest marque clubs. Simply, we are here to remain the leader in the hobby. Sorry for the rant. Peter J.

'B' and Keiser... You may have directed your query to Peter G so I apologize for my take on this. Yes, old threads could be deleted however we retain them from day-one for reference. Take "OrphanBaby's" post. He/She is a new person that took the time to search the Austin history on the thread. Tells me the person found it interesting and may be someone else will also. How old the thread is really means nothing. Orphanboy posted the Austinbantam webite and possibly someone else will find a need to check it out. Who knows? Another example, take the "Search" function our AACA Forum provides. It is not utilized much at all. In the header bar to the immediate right of New Posts there is Search. One can search back and find all sorts of past topics. Many are actually a wealth of knowledge posted by experienced people on any one subject. Regards, Peter J.

Hi, Dave. Gosh I am glad this Trafficator thread came up. Owned my 1972 TR-6 since new and always wondered what the two blinking lights labeled "trafficator" meant. Every time I used left or right "turn signals" the darn trafficator lights would start blinking. (just kidding). I may be wrong but do not recall seeing "trafficator" on the 1973 TRs. Peter.

1. bofusmosby (Jim’s) referenced 3-D Printer post: --The “prototype” pattern they produced for one of my experiences noted was for a very well known appliance manufacturer. The customer had vibration problems called to their attention by consumers who bought their washing and drying machines designed for apartments. We tackled producing a ductile iron bar that incorporated 2 cores. The castings were used to shore-up the 4 corners of the machine’s chassis which was a stamping assembly. --Produced the prototype ductile castings on a B&P automatic molding machine. Had to adjust the squeeze pressure of the “blown-in” molding sand carefully so as not to crush the prototype pattern that this 3-D Printer produced. Made 7 samples satisfactorily. Really slick. --Coreboxes for this part: Same method as the pattern. Had to produce 2 coreboxes and made the prototype cores out of air-set sand (chemically bonded sand). --Note: In both cases above, the prototype pattern and 2 coreboxes “were ONLY intended to make a few pieces. The surface finish of the prototype casting’s granular surface finish was a bit rough compared to using the eventual “CNC Tool Steel” production pattern again due to cutting back on the squeeze pressure of the molding sand on the automatic molding line. 2. Rusty_O Toole’s post reference Jay Leno: --This in my opinion was a very interesting however appeared to be a scripted advertisement that failed a few times to properly and accurately describe the manufacturing method to achieve the desired part. Jay mentioned giving the piece to a machinist-and- initially mentioned giving the piece to a foundry…back and forth. Found that to be confusing. --Jay failed to mention coreboxes that would have to be made and paid for by the customer if a corebox is required. As I mentioned in my earlier long winded post you are not looking at the pattern cost and corebox costs. --The sample Jay was showing was very hard to see if a core would be needed for the underside of his casting. From what I saw it could be produced without a core. We have used urethane many times for parts that not “flat” but have a “a recessed undercut similar to, say, a valve cover casting. In this case we would take a stock sheet of aluminum and CNC the O.D. of the part. Next we would pour the urethane impression into the “CNC cutout” of the O.D. The parting line would then be at the bottom edge of the impression on the “drag side” of the mold. Both of our subject methods noted here produce the necessary draft to pull the pattern impression from the molding sand (normally 2-4 degrees depending on the size of the desired casting). 3. Xprefix28truck (Kent): --Parting lines using both methods of these 3-D methods are easily produced. Jay’s demonstration did not mention it. I have used and seen it many times. For prototype or short run purposes the foundry mounts them on a plate with the normal Cope & Drag sides. Same with the coreboxes. We have as did my former many patterns of urethane mounted on aluminum with undercuts in the impression (again, the urethane patterns have about a 5 year shelf life before they start lifting or drying and cracking). --Ironically, we made upwards of 60-120,000 castings per month for a power steering pump housing utilized by a very well known vehicle company (hint…you won’t have to look far). Unfortunately the grey iron housing jobs were lost by us to the changeover to aluminum for weight reduction if I recall correctly. 4. MochetVelo (Phil): --Good question: Cores are only needed for a hollow casting or one that incorporates a reverse draft undercut. As I mentioned I could not see closely the part Jay was waiving around. Summation: --Neither referenced the cost of producing the desired parts weather for once-and-done 1 piece or high volume parts. Both methods are very good for dimensional checks “prior to going to a machinist or foundry or forge works before signing off to produce the tooling. Cost and what you are willing to pay. No difference than all the posts about vehicle restoration pricing we have read over the years on the AACA Forum. --The Crescent Wrenches that work for example: These are forged steel. I would scare the daylights out of you to mention the cost of the production dies to forge such a high production part. --In Jay’s case, he was all exited about how the 3-D mechanism worked. He did not mention what it would take “cost-wise” to produce the part in ferrous or non-ferrous material. Sorry for the long winded post. This can be very confusing (boring) to many and I wish there was a way of a real time show & tell. Thanks to all for their input here. Peter J.

I agree, Jim, that many things will become cheaper after new technologies are introduced, however, as with chrome plating the preparation is the most time consuming (and costly). Harry J. visited me when I was at my former. Harry is a very techinical guy and from a sand casting operation he saw first hand what the cost of patterns can cost. The actual molding / core making (if required for the part), and, a foundry to make 1 or 2 pieces is a totally different subject money and availability-wise. Here is a real-time example (yesterday) to give one an idea of cost for a commercial casting: --Class 30 (30,000 p.s.i.) casting with no coreboxes required: Quoted this 2 impression (2 castings per mold) pattern for $4800. (CNC tool steel). --If this part took a tool steel corebox for discussion purposes to create the internal dimensions of a hollow casting: Add another $4,000 = $8800 Bottom line: One must pay a patternmaker to create the equipment, or, pay the CAD service to create the CAD Model then pay the foundry to pour the casting to include making the cores if required, and so on. Checking out for tonight... Peter J. Best, Peter.

Hi, Rusty. Just for the 3-D model these printers produce. Yes, a urethane (plastic) or model can be made however I disagree with "minutes". The CAD Model must be made first if a new part is the subject or reverse engineering off an existing spent part...this can get very salty. Even lost foam is time consuming money one has to be charged. Bottom line, there are all sorts of methods out there today to produce "new" castings to "replication of an existing casting". The payback for the CAD time/service, cost of the patterns and coreboxes if required, actual molding whether it be Lost Foam, Sand Casting, Die Casting, Volumes of castings the customer requires, etc., all comes into play. We found the hard way with Urethane (plastic) patterns for example. 10-12 years ago we thought this to be the best thing since my TR6 starts when I want it to. Urethane was cheaper for impressions mounted on aluminum plates. Well, as Urethane is petroleum based, the patterns would dry out and actually lift the impressions or crack them simply from heat and humidity changes in tooling storage. The 'ole "pay for good tooling up front or pay me later" syndrome. As things progressed, more of what is left of U.S. foundries have found it cheaper to CNC out of tool steel. Again, all depends on how many parts the customer desires. Many factors to take into account. Best, Peter.

Jim. I have 39 years in the grey & ductile iron foundry industry. We have used such 3-D methods for customers willing to pay for it. Gives their engineers or managers something to "touch" before spending the big bucks for production patterns. I have "miniatures" of a 2 impression pattern and 1 corebox that I use to teach prospects/customers what sand casting is all about. As with a printer we all use on computers you can change the font size or page size. Same with 3-D. The "miniatures" I have could fit in your pocket whereas the actual equipment for molding is 20x24 for the pattern and it weighs 64 pounds. Architects use it also to make a miniature model, say, for a hospital and the detail can capture every aspect to include shrubbery around the entrance to the brick work or even the air conditioning units on the roof. For our hobby, old vehicles, it can be a salty proposition. The cost of a 3-D for a commercial casting on average that I have experienced ranges from $800-$2,000 depending on the casting complexity. I have produced other low volume patterns such as urethane and wood of which they too are not cheap. Many have approached me over the years inquiring what is involved to reproduce an exhaust manifold. The cost of the pattern and corebox (s) usually shocks them. Appreciate you posting this as it serves as another tool to educate hobbyists in need of replacement castings. Also available is Rapidcast which builds up layer-after-layer of paper that is automatically cut as it goes then the model can actually withstand molding for a few pieces before it wears out. (In advance, may have to move this to the Technical Forum eventually but will leave a re-direct on the General Forum). Best, Peter.

"This is our bench seat model...you do not want to see our bucket seat model".

Peter...without doubt you certainly deserve kudos. You had a lot of thick & thins bringing the Forum to fruition. Thank you very much. With that I feel compelled to include "Father Ron" (Ron Barnett-- our 1991 AACA President deceased), too. Had dinner quite some years ago with Ron and his wife, our beloved past AACA Library & Research Center President Sally Barnett. Ron gave me a run down on how you and Ron were "shot-down" by the AACA Board in your attempts to take the AACA into the, "then", new world of cyberspace. Ron recanted the dejection and the two of you taking a side trip to tour Gettysburg. Wella!! Your long road to what we all enjoy today is wonderful... Good job! Peter J.

reatta1991. Should you be awarded the Preservation Award, the very hard working Administration volunteers will note this and AACA Headquarters will mail it to you. With the magnitude of Hershey participation it may take 1 week to 10 days which has been the norm. I could not attend the banquet at various meets and it always boggles my mind how fast our dedicated staff takes care of this. Really dedicated people I assure you. Peter J.

Dave, As others have mentioned it is a simple designation mostly from local car shows and AACA Region/Chapter shows. i.e...I am looking at the entry form for the 34th Annual Reinholds Lions Club flier (not an AACA affilitate). My car is a 4 time AGNM Senior. The Reinhold's Show and many others for a fact place AGNM's, AACA Seniors, and, AACA Junior winners in a Class all together. They usually give a momento type award to all in the AACA Class for taking the time to display the vehicle. Reason being to let their judged categories go for trophies and I would hope spur interest in the hobby. Reinholds calls the class "AACA Seniors". Have seen some call their's "AACA Winners". Have seen some call their's "AACA Juniors/Seniors". In short it is just a display Class. Best, Peter J.

Gary...Welcome to the AACA Forum. The "Hershey Region" is the host of the meet. The AACA sponsors meets with support however the "host" Region manages logistics, schedules of events, etc: Hershey Region AACA: Home Contact the Hershey Region for a direct answer. Regards, Peter J.

Irv, You may want to make an identical post in the Buy/Sell Forum.

Welcome to the AACA Forum. Moved your query to the Chevrolet Forum for a more direct response. Please check out all the forums. The "Forum Questions" is for navigational questions on this website as it clearly states. Best regards, Peter.

Gosh I feel sorry for all of us. Today was the icing on the cake when I had to move my right arm all of 2 feet to drop the postcard in the trash can. What really upsets me is having to move my hand 5 inches to the delete button to handle the e-mails. Phew! Lot of work. There is something good to every stressful situation. I noticed my right hand became strong enough to write a check for the AACA Raffle tickets http://forums.aaca.org/f169/aaca-raffle-support-aaca-free-forum-292885.html and will buy more this year. Life is great! Just may change the oil and lube an old car this weekend so I can take my mind off the Roster.

To all: Please get back to the thread's title "points off for Tire Dressing". ALK, I sent you a PM. Thank you, Peter J.

Thank you very much, Gil. Being a local I received no less than 4 phone calls from friends asking why all those beautiful old vehicles were in the Reading area. Despite the weather my hat is certainly off to all of you for the dedication to the hobby. Glad you had a safe and fun time. Regards, Peter.

Doug, I was not aware you are going to VT. Herb will be around all weekend. Look him up. You could ask at one of the host tables or any Director to either point him out or request that he hook up with you at a designated location. Have a good time... Peter J.

Doug, Your question I believe would be best answered by Herb Oakes, VP of Class Judging... herbfran@gibralter.net Please allow some time for Herb to respond as the Board has a meeting at the Stowe, Vermont Meet today through Saturday. Give him a chance to unwind when he returns home. Regards, Peter J.

DCE...Moved your post in the Dodge Forum to the General Forum. Regards, Peter J.