B Jake Moran

Yep,sold. So much for my pricing pontificating. Of course we won’t know what it sold for.

While I am sure most new Vegas were junk, if a person were to restore one, it would likely be tighter than new. These and Pintos, Mavericks, many other 70's cars seemed to suffer from poor build quality. Yet it never ceases to amaze me how many cars were sold in the 1970's, Millions! Very few cars are "rare" from the 70's. Looking at this ad specifically, I would buy the non running but complete one, but it always bothers me when I see these ads where 2 or more cars are being sold and they won't separate. This ad does not specifically say he won't separate but it's implied and other ads I have seen clearly state that. Who has the ability to bring in 2 cars, in this case, from Washington state to Iowa? ONE car would be $1400 transport fee, or over half the cost of the car. Even going down to California it would likely be $700 transport. I'd love a Cosworth Vega to restore. But you would be better off with a Triumph TR6, Datsun 240or 260Z, etc.

I can't tell if he is happy you got rid of it, or unhappy you ever bought it.

I am in the Cadillac LaSalle Club and these are discussed there and I used to post Not Mine finds. They are neat, and timely, butin my opinion can never be a #1 car. Meaning #1 in your collection. I guess they could be, but for me I think Sevilles make a nice #2 or #3 car. After the convertible, and the 2 door hardtop, OK, let's get a Seville. They aren't necessarily rare, and they are "kind of" homogenous, meaning they were all 4 door sedans, well equipped with few options. Personally this car, though long sold, checks many of my boxes. Dark color, whether Black, Blue, Red or Green with that now almost gone and forgotten dark saddle leather interior (which has kind of made a comeback). . Again, a nice $6,000 3rd car to take out on club events, maybe tour if in the AACA. But I am not dropping $15,000 on a low mileage one. Before I handed over my $15K, I would pause, and think of all the cars I could buy that would be way cooler than a 76-79 Seville. By the way, I group ALL Sevilles in this class. The Bustleback Sevilles are certainly collectible (through 1981, do not buy a 1982-1985 Cadillac, any) The downsized Sevilles from 1986 to 1991 were marginally collectible, probably not, but a well appointed low mileage example, especially with the 4.9L would be a nice #3 car. Finally, the last generation was a long run. I am looking at the 2003-2005s. In these last 3 years, production was greatly decreased. 2004, for instance, saw only 3,386 examples. 2005 137. Supposedly, Cadillac finally fixed the Northstar issues by 2002. Arguably, Sevilles and it's cousin the Eldorado were some of the last American styled cars ever made. Decidedly modern, but not looking like a goofish Mercedes or BMW, they were clean sheet penned Cadillacs. Yet, they delivered quiet driving enjoyment, comfort, and 28 mpg. Consider a 2003-2005 Seville as that "3rd" car.

Marketplace - 1957 Lincoln Premiere | Facebook Rust free Arizona car. Good title. Runs with bottle, bad fuel pump. Drives and stops but needs work.

I don’t think anybody but that does not stop the current greed marketplace sellers from trying. Hard to say, but when I advertise something for sale I want to move it on. I in turn have lost $150,000 on the hobby over the years. But these sellers seem to not adjust price. “Don’t like it, move on” they usually say. Or “where you going to find another one” is something I commonly hear. Sellers are myopic. They think because it’s rare people will push each other over to buy what they have. But, as a generalist, I am comparing the value of buying this car with many other cars in mind. Of course none are 42 Buick convertibles, but they are all rare and interesting in their own rite. I am reminded for instance of a low mileage 55 Century convertible I found at least a year ago on Facebook marketplace for asking $10,000. Still for sale last time I checked. Are these sellers incredulous that we lucky buyers haven’t showed up with wheelbarrows of cash? What is a good price for this 42? Well, virtually anyone will tell you the restoration age is over. Done. Not even high end cars are worth restoring. Therefore projects of any kind have no value. The right price is “0”. I am not sure what the right price is but $4,000 seems right. Most of these lucky sellers buy or own these cars for less than 10% of their greedy asking price.

*** Update *** I got my 1st Hemmings Motor News from the subscription. 1st observation is it is half the size of the last one I remember, and that is , well, not a bad thing. Definitely no longer a hobbyist to hobbyist sales marketplace, about 95% "dealer" ads, and I think Hemmings has a new requirement - 1. Ad price must be 4 x the average #2 sales guide price. My god, everything seemed to be $100,000. I saw a 1980 Ford Futura with 30,000 miles for $75,000 asking! Most of the dealer ads say "CALL" next to the hot rod, er, resto mod, er muscle car. 2. The Beverly Hills Car Club has most of the ads in the make sections. Without this dealer, Hemmings doesn't exist. 3. Most of the writers in the front have left, leaving one guy who openly claims "I know nothing about pre war cars." 4. See #2, and add a few more ads by Gullwing. 5. VOLO Auto Museum is having a big sale. They have too many cars! OMG. So they have slashed the prices from $95,000 for a 1971 Chevy Nova SS Restomod to, well, CALL. I can use this for some parts vendors, but I don't need 12 issues for that. There won't be any "deals" next month. I imagine the clientele Hemmings caters to are the salt and pepper millionaires who come home empty from BJ Scottsdale. They don't care if they line the dealers pockets with a $60,000 profit as long as they can puff up at the next show n shine with their restomod. I saw exactly ONE car I may be interested in pursuing and that was a 1920's Buick Master 6 from - you guessed it - The Beverly Hills Car Club for $7500. I will read some of the color pages in the front in the next couple of weeks. But wow, I don't see this marketplace magazine being available 10 years from now. I will be 70, and the hobby another 10 years on. Hemmings staff will be bare bones, automated and just a restomod magazine of maybe 125 pages. Maybe.

Agree, not a big deal 56 or 57, but another reason there was no change is the extensive tooling, set aside plant for the Continental. Ford lost a crap load on these cars for sure. This was a bad era for Ford, like it or not. Continental was almost killed from the start, we know Edsel was, 2 seat T Bird, the halo car to fight the Corvette, 3 years. Instead McNamara square took over.

Says pending now.

Well, I wonder if putting the Special convertible on the slightly longer wheelbase would have just competed with the Super convertible, although that had the new body shared with Roadmaster.

I was active on the Mark II forum for several years before they made it more difficult to browse and communicate. I came close to buying a couple of these. I am always fascinated by provenance. That group has a great historian who documented original owners of which we all know that Sinatra had one, Elizabeth Taylor etc. Most were owned by titans of industry. CEOs and one owner I remember died in a plane crash and I was looking at his car. Another car I was looking at was owned by a Moran, my last name, although not a relative. It was a cool Polo Green color and was ordered with thick wool carpeting. I won’t restore one. When I was looking 15 years ago, projects - with all of their Mark II parts were $5,000 to $7,000. Barry Wolk used to be active here on the AACA forum is the head moderator on their forum and he owns 1 of 2 authorized Mark II convertibles. I personally can’t stand white on these cars. They need a darker color to pop, again my opinion. Yet many were made in white or of course black. Turquoise looks nice, a great mid century modern shade. This one being a 1957, if verified, does make it “rarer”. I think they made 305 or so 1957s.

Just needs a lil’ charge.

Correct. It is true this was an odd era to collect overall. But Detroit was on fire in the 70s. Each year they set new records selling cars, even with embargoes, emissions, and 5 mph bumpers.

I don’t mind they changed it to a down draft carb for reliability but that modern air cleaner would need to go. Problem is, what would a person use to look within 10-15 years correct? I would like the car but am buried in snow and can’t imagine buying such a car, or any car, in January.

I didn’t think it was a scam. I saved 3-4 pre war Buicks in the past 1-2 years and all took a long time to sell.

These IS one in IOWA for $1200.00. But it’s a full on project. Tempting- but nothing says money pit like a $1200 Skyliner. I genuinely like Fords 58 front end styling but it’s an easy pass on the 59s.

Ridiculous crazy deal. And it will probably sit at $17,500.

Roger please note the threads you are responding to are years old.

6 years ago, and I miss Dynaflash 8.

And if you showed up and told this seller what you shared here - they would say “ I, I’m going to ask you to leave, have a nice trip home.” People get so butt hurt, or wonder why their Facebook ad goes for months with no interest.

I did not know Chieftains had 8 cylinders. This is a nice 1st series GM hardtop. But overpriced at $20,000.

Make no mistake, this is a $100,000 restoration. Which is why these aren’t getting restored. If, which I don’t have anymore, but if I had my old 3 car heated and air conditioned man cave I would tackle it. And 10 years of my life back.

My issue is with Cornerstone and my subscription to the Cadillac club. They manage that too. Well I joined 9 weeks ago and so far have received nothing.

Actually like it. We all love Black on black and this has a rare desirable option to the seats. And only $3200 asking.

Other big issue - black interior