B Jake Moran

Marketplace - 1937 Pontiac deluxe | Facebook 1937 Pontiac Deluxe · Sedan · Driven 41,000 miles Very clean running driver car is worth a look no disappointments.

I will certainly remember that, thanks.

It's not an antique. But the club needs to use an arbitrary number for membership, and 25 years from manufacture seems as good as any. I would not confuse the name of the club with that meaning the club believes a 25 year old car is an antique.

I am in agreement with you. If that V12 is well sorted, the work is documented, etc, then it would be easy pickings for another Continental owner, probably back to the late 1930's. And, I can't tell you how many times I have seen post war Continentals with modern V8's in the past 25 years. The sellers always say the car is restored. Groan.

I don’t think it took to the 1942 restyle well.

Yes, it makes me wonder if it’s a scam. Windsors with the 300 Cross Ram motor? Interior looks perfect, as with paint and has the 50s era wire wheels?

I think that’s light tan but hard to tell. Seat pattern is correct.

Bringing this topic back up and will transition to the Me and My Car section. After a lot of looking and consideration, my wife and I have decided to purchase a 1981 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 as the project car to do with Ashton, the 18 year old young man. I don't have photos yet, but here is what it was - Back Story: Last August when I started to look on Facebook marketplace for a regional project car for Ashton and I to work on, I inherently saved quite a few cars. Some sold, and a seller up in Minnesota had an orange 1981 Camaro Z28 with T Tops for $3000. We negotiated that he would sell it to me for $2200 "without the wheels" or $2800 with the wheels. Then he dropped the ad and put the car away for winter. I saw that it had dropped off, and messaged him. He said he pulled it for winter, but the messaging kept a contact with him. Throughout winter I looked at basically either a bunch of junk, over priced junk or even decent projects or figured out that my broad paint brush interests in older cars did not match Mr. Gamers interests. (He really likes my 2007 Miata) Finally his mom Jen, who owns the hobby farm where we will do the restoration and is a widower 2 years out, stopped by to help my wife with a house project and I showed them photos and had just gotten the 1981 Camaro brochure to show them. Their enthusiasm went through the roof. Now - my wife owns a Shock colored 2020 SS Camaro with the 6.2L V8, 6 speed and very loud Borla exhaust. Her friend Jen owns a 2021 Camaro SS convertible in triple black, so..... The 1981 Z28 was originally Silver with Black interior from the factory, with factory T Tops, is a 350 automatic and all 1981 Z28's had a 3.42 rear axle and this one is open. Somewhere the previous owner painted it a factory Orange Metallic and the seller added the factory correct Camaro 5 spoke wheels from Classic Industries for $600, which is why he was firm at $2800 if the wheels were included. There was some debate about the wheels. 1981 Z28 had an optional aluminum factory mag which is reproduced and not too expensive, so I had thought I might go that route, $2200 without the wheels. But, I like the 5 spoke standard Z28 15 x 7 wheels, these are new, and Camaro used these wheels from inception of the 2nd generation until ending the run in 1981, so we all agreed to take the wheels. As to eventual paint color, because of the prevalence of Silver cars in the world today we likely will not paint it silver. Back in 1981, Silver was still quite rare. Having the Camaro brochure from 1981, there are a ton of cool colors to paint it and keep it factory stock, but I am a fan of the Orange Metallic. In the end, we will take a vote on color, because that's a long way away. My friend Al Kiley, who has been my old car picker upper for 20 years, will go with me on February 18, Sunday, to retrieve the car. It has a clear Minnesota title, which my wife and I will put in our names. Ashton and I primarily will strip the car and restore it, but his mom is game, and my wife says she will help. Ashton is in a body shop program and wants to work in a Chevy body shop where his older sister works (Chevy dealership) and his brother in law manages a department. I will likely pay Ashton for his help, he will learn some skills, get off the gaming, and of course can drive the car when done. The Z28 will be visually stock, but I plan on adding internal horsepower to the 350, which was a net 175 in 1981, I am hoping for 250 or so. One of the 1st tasks will be removing the rear axle, and taking it to be rebuilt as a 3.42 posi. Anyway, look for the photos in a couple of weeks. I am slow, but eventually I buy cars.

NO 1956 Executive 4 door is worth $26,000. People need to get real. All 1956 Packards are in a way neat. Executive 2 door hardtops were nice cars and a well sorted #2 car should be worth $20,000. But a four door sedan with a fixed B pillar is only a $15,000 car. $25,000? No way.

I see both sides. I prefer automatics now that I’m 60. I want my focus on the road and the driving experience. My wife has a 6 speed manual 2020 Camaro with 425 hp 6.2. There is a visceral feeling that can not be matched by an automatic. I’ve had a few manuals in my life, most fun. On the other hand there is not much fun with a 1950 American car with a 3 speed on the column and no power steering.

3 would be fun, yes.

Last year I did a deep dive into the C4s. Bought a good buyers guide. The affordability was the reason plus I like them. This particular car really speaks to me as I love that rare color and saddle interior. Are you kidding me? Where else can you find a collectible car for under $10,000 with 49,000 miles? I drove a 1993 Polo Green convertible with 17,000 original miles for $16,000. I used facebook marketplace and ended up saving at least 20 cars within 200 miles of me in central Iowa. I could have added another 25. I narrowed my search parameters. This car certainly would have appealed to me but I became a horsepower geek. The first gen of C4 84-87 I avoided. Low HP and the original style wheels. The 88-90s had these style of wheels and I like them the best. I found maybe 2-3 I saved including an insanely low priced 7,500 original mile convertible for $15,000. Weirdly, it went unsold for months because the owner was not familiar with Facebook marketplace and his son put it on and navigated the interest poorly. He didn’t care a whole lot. But I focused on the 92-96 cars. 1996 was the last year. Lower production and they offered the fastest non ZR1 engine. I was working with a seller in Charles City, Iowa with a collectors edition 1996 coupe with a 6 speed manual. We agreed on $15,500. I believe it had 55,000 miles or so but he had done a lot of work on it. That’s just it, a serious buyer needs to sift out the crap from the well owned cars. If I ask about maintenance and repair history and the response is none or what? I moved on. It’s easy to say it runs good and is well maintained, it’s another thing entirely to back it up with paper. I ended up buying a 2007 Mazda Miata which had the top of the line package for $10,500 with then 55,600 miles. Stack of receipts, clothe convertible top, highest option package. But I would still love a C4 Corvette like this 1988 which as someone pointed out can likely be purchased for $9,000. I specifically excluded the common colors seen and focused on Polo Green with saddle interiors, odd colors minimally produced in a particular year like a Teal Green color they offered, this Burgundy with saddle is simply beautiful. Bright red was a common color. Black. White. I did look at a 1994 White convertible with black top even though I don’t like white too much. Interior choices were still varied such as a blood red leather and dark blue. My obvious favorite is saddle so I would always look for that. I remember finding a 1996 black coupe with saddle interior. But what someone stated about speed is correct. The 17,000 mile 1994 Polo Green convertible I test drove was rated at 0-60 in about 6.4 seconds I think but a person got a sense these cars were touring cars. Not speed demons. I probably won’t buy one. I just bought a 1981 Camaro Z28 project car with T Tops and the Miata scratches the same itch, but I hope I don’t regret it.

Why are original style seating upholstery so hard to do? I can’t believe the old car hobby has not found a way to provide original style upholstery. SMS has always been way behind on filling orders so demand is there. But for these casual owners such as this car, how can an owner compromise so much as to reupholster in such a non correct way?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 66 Toronado with white interior.

V8?

That’s where the inquirer needs to check.

A well sorted small pre 5mph bumper car might be collectible but appreciation is limited because it’s supposed to be an SL. I’ve owned 3 small bumper 72-73 SLs. If the SLC speaks to you I understand. But appreciation ( monetarily and collector wise ) seems unlikely.

Fred was a status seeker. Ward was the humble conservative type. Fred was always kind of putting Ward and the Cleavers down, subtly.

Arguably better than an 84 Cadillac Seville, which it copied. Another one of those “3rd or 4th” cars in a multi car collection but never the 1st.

Just another greedy seller wanting you to line their pockets with cash. You can tell from ad content that the seller knows nothing about Packards. True Packard sellers note the series (21 I believe), they know the engine size, wheelbase etc.

Since I am a generalist, I don't have to own a Cadillac, so I am comparing to Buicks, and other nice cars on here or that have been on here and in forum discussion and $25,000 seems too high for most. Again, I point to what Matt Harwood said about the wealthy guys who make this amount in interest in less than an hour. BUT, I don't see them clamoring to buy closed Cadillacs from this era needing at least another $25,000 in mechanical sorting.

Marketplace - 1941 Packard 120 | Facebook Seller's Description This is a 1941 Packard straight 8. It has the manual transmission with overdrive. Someone put a lot of money into painting the body and having the chrome redone, but never fully finished the project. The front body parts and drivetrain are currently removed. I started the engine with starter fluid before pulling it. It ran well and had good oil pressure (I have a video of it). My plan was to hone the cylinders, probably put in new piston rings/gaskets and go from there. The water pump is froze, so that will also need to be replaced. The old 6 volt wiring will also need to be replaced. Brake system will need to be gone through. The car is pretty complete with only some misc. pieces missing. The radio is missing, some small bezels, interior windshield trim, and misc. chrome pieces here and there. All of these parts can be found on eBay, Packard forums, swap meets, etc.. I will include everything with the car that I received with it. I'd really like to finish the project, but my garage.

I believe 1925 was the 1st year that closed cars out numbered open cars in US production.

I’d love to have that but the “ran when parked” is not appropriate.

Nick- I am near Ames and go there every week on business. I would be glad to check it out. I am not an AACA member, I am a CLC member, have owned several older vehicles including a 1942 GMC 3/4T truck and a 1949 Advanced Design Chevy 1/2 T truck. If I can help I can be reached at 515-330-6998 or moranb2864@gmail.com.