DizzyDale Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I found a off frame restored 63 coupe that is a very nice,correct car with ONE exception.It has a 65 frame under it,front crossmember is different to accomodate the first year for a big block.I wanted to drive the car,not show it,but i gotta believe it really hurts the value of the car.Any and all thoughts are welcome.diz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I have had the same Corvette for 30 years next month. Restored it twice. From what I can figure with these cars and some of the people who own them having a different frame would definitely hurt the value. I would think a lot more then a non matching engine number. I would guess maybe 30%? Of course that's only my opinion for what its worth. If you like it, buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 When someone mentions split window Corvette the first thing that comes to mind is the "How To" article in a customizing magazine the year after they came out showing how to cut out the center bar and install a one piece back window. I've always wondered ow many got cut and what does this do to to their value today? Have later Corvettes had the split window added? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 If you like the car and don't plan on showing it at a Corvette concours show buy it and enjoy it. I had a '66 with matching numbers and to tell you the truth one big reason I sold it was because it attracted Corvette "experts" who would tell me how many hog rings should be holding the seat covers on or what the head stamp on the alternator bolt should be. I don't think that there was ever a car made that has more "experts" than a Corvette to tell you what was "wrong" about the car. Anyway be prepared if you buy it but they are great cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillP Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Brother in law is the original owner of a 67 435 hp coupe, bought when he had his first job, made payments on it, still has it. It now has six thousand miles on it, no kidding. He refers to it as his IRA. Anyway, he took it to the first and last judged show it was in. The Corvette experts scoured it all over and marked him off for grease on the door hinges. He said, "I didn't put that there, GM did!". Don't know if they counted the hog rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Did Stevie Wonder install the weather stripping on Corvette doors? I'll ever forget the first Corvette I judged at a local concorse type show. The owner of a Corvette was so damn proud of the yellow snot glue gobbed all over his door weather stripping. "Just like the original!", and people wonder why I love Fords.....Yes, a '56 T-Bird with an AACA Senior tab beat him fair and square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillP Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 No, That was "Sting" Ray Charles. Hey I don't write this stuff I just report it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Why would you want to purposely over spray the engine compartment and the bottom of the doors on the exterior? You will also receive point deductions if some of the factory panel skin seams don't show thru a tad on the fenders. My Corvette (72) is nice even though it has some modification done nicely but I have been on the verbal abuse end of the Corvette experts. Maybe that's why I enjoy the AACA and shun the Corvette people and there shows. I'm sure not all are like this, just the ones I have ran into the past 30 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I'm showing my age a bit here but I worked in the assembly plant at Chrysler Canada in 1964. When I hear the "experts" talk about the number of hog rings that are supposed to be under a car seat or the proper colour of cadmium plating on an alternator bracket I simply tell them "Look I was there and made both car seats and cadmium plated parts and NOBODY counted hogrings or worried about cadmium colours." Of course I was at Chrysler not GM so maybe they actually did count hogrings (but I doubt it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 A 63 split window is one of the if not the most valuable old Vettes out there, including the '53. This will seem strange but I have been told that an abnormal amount of 63 vettes found there way to Puerto Rico, and that many assemblies and parts can be found there. An aquantance had a complete car sent over to Floriduh from PR $700.00. including crating. I think 63 split windows are so valuable because they were so unpopular. First strectched out Vette, seemed weird compared to 53 - 62's, the split window coupe was referred to as a frog squating, thus the conversion kits to single glass (what a mistake that turned out to be). A split window with the wrong frame, wrong steering wheel, wrong engine -- would still be worth it's weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphicar BUYER Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 This is the reason I love Amphicar people. We love Amphicars in all conditions. Seems the vette-sperts are not as friendly.When I showed up in Il. last year with my newly purchased car from Georgia, it was admired just as the beautiful Gordon concourse restos were. I used liquid nails covered in duct tape to temporarilly repair some rust holes. The door seals were Ace hardware screen window seals. The tires even had flat spots from sitting 8 years in one place. It took 3 of us to get the top latched as it was down for the whole 8 years too. We took it 17 miles down the Rock river in IL and put 100+ miles on the road. Nobody nitpicks your car or professes to be better than anyone else. Some owners have deep pockets and some don't, but we are all equal in an Amphicar's eyes.If more clubs were like this, they all would have more fun and less stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted April 22, 2004 Author Share Posted April 22, 2004 I just wanted everyone who read the thread to know that although i have no intention of showing any Corvette i buy it is an INVESTMENT.Play toy,great thing to look at in the garage,FUN to drive but still with all that being said when the funs over and its time to cash in i do not want to take too bad a hit.All intentions are to DRIVE the wheels off a very correct car not an anal restored trailer queen.diz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Don't know what you would pay for this 63/65, but if the split window body is correct, I can't see the thing going for a dive in value unless it had cracks you could put your fist through and drove down the road sideways taking up two lanes. And even then, there were 10,594 coupes sold in 63 and probably less than half survived the decade. I know where there is a 63 coupe basket case in my area, supposedly all correct pieces. I just can't make myself go for another project. Go for it Dizz, the next guy you sell it to will too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Indiana_Truck Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Not that I need another "basket case" project but I was born in 1963 (showing my age) and would love to own a vette just once before I die so if you would be willing to pass on the chance to own the 63 "basket" let me know. I just might make a road trip! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted April 22, 2004 Author Share Posted April 22, 2004 Dear Dave,Hard to believe,ANYTHING 1967 are the strongest money vettes.As i said before this is a body off correct restoration with the wrong frame.300 horse 327,4 speed with knock off wheels.Don't you think for 40,000 it should have the correct frame.I think so.diz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Is the only differance the front crossmember in the chassis? Would you bother thinking about a 1928 Ford with a 1931 front crossmember? If it is worth 40K, just buy the correct crossmember and put on the shelf and drive the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 40K for a 63 with a 327 is strong money for a Corvette with a incorrect frame unless the market goes crazy again. That's around the price of one that is all but 100% correct.Amphicar, My wife and I agree that the Amphicar club are a great bunch of people. They use their cars whether they are a rust bucket, leaking like crazy, orginial or a fresh restoration. Now add to that a few beers and all the typical BS and its about as good as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Flipped on the History Channel early this morning and caught a short piece about the Amphicar. The reporters opinion was that it drove like a car in the water and like a boat when on land...don't shoot me....I'm just the mesenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphicar BUYER Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Flipped on the History Channel early this morning and caught a short piece about the Amphicar. The reporters opinion was that it drove like a car in the water and like a boat when on land...don't shoot me....I'm just the mesenger</div></div> click ... click ... click ... click ...click...click...Looks like I'm out of ammo anyway! The poor Amphicar took many "over the bow" in it's lifetime. Lot's of incorrect and mis-guided info was put out there. Now lots of well meaning folks still believe what they heard. They are not a sports car as it was originally marketed as, but the fun factor is over the top. It takes me 30+ mins to get fuel because I get surrounded with questions almost every time. Several time each year I get ovations as we hit the water plus the faces as we drive out. If they were fast as a vette (or anything for that matter) it would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 I also saw that last night. I believe it was titled "failed inventions"? It was on a few months back. Unfortunately the Amphicar never had a chance to progress. They were basically taken out of business by the USA but were labeled by this show as a failed invention. And I think they drive more like a lawn mower! I would try to find out where if any numbers would be stamped on the frame and try to decode them as to exactly what year it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Back to the thread, I mean Vette. Supposedly a numbers matching car, don't know the reserve but longdistance rates are down and so is air fare to Floriduh. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...sspagename=WDVWReserve met $31,000 Indiana - original, not restored from a collection, not numbers matching engine.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...sspagename=WDVWDallas one owner???? 72,678 actual miles buy it now $46,500.00 (not)http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...sspagename=WDVWAnyway, there are 8 listed on ebay right now. Search split window.I don't think the 67 outranks the split window but I could be wrong.Didn't know about the price earlier, that may be steep BUT, a C2 vette should be a C2 vette - wheelbase, frame, etc. I understand a different X member to facilitate the big block but the fram has still got to be the same.???Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that I need another "basket case" project but I was born in 1963 (showing my age) and would love to own a vette just once before I die so if you would be willing to pass on the chance to own the 63 "basket" let me know. I just might make a road trip! </div></div>Bob, I still might get it, so I will hoard the info for now. It would still run me @ $18K so the thought process is being worked hard for a project. Everyone shoul own at least one Vette. I've had 4-- 1957, 1962, 1965, 1987.Each time I say, never again! (except for the '62 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Indiana_Truck Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 David,At 18K for a basket case it sounds like a much nicer basket than I was thinking so hoard away for a while so I can start counting my nickels. It might take a few days anyway! Kind of my luck to be born in the year of the most expensive one out there. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Go for it, Diz...you would look great in a Corvette.The way it is going with Ron Green's (MY!!) '55 Pontiac and you with a Corvette, I'm leaving the TR6 home for the AGNM. Not to mention Pat & Nelson Thorpe's invite to get the nickel tour of their collection on my way home, and, Wayne indicating today that he'll be there. See you guys soon in Buffalo...Regards, Peter. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Speaking of Corvettes, I was with Pedro for a while today and he relayed a message from Ron Green that "everyone should own at least one Corvette in their lifetime". Now, on getting home this evening, I mentioned to my wife that Pedro and I would be going to my secret "Corvette place" soon to test the waters. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Sorry Pedro, Gloria has nixed the plan. For some reason she doesn't trust us test driving early Vettes and not bringing "something" home. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I'd sure like to have that '59. Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Forgot to mention that I met a lot of late model Corvettes on the road today. They were all headed North up I95 and I83 towards York Pa or maybe on towards Scranton. A couple of Vettes were pulling trailers with racing tires? and a pickup had a race Vette loaded on a flat trailer. Anybody know what's going on? Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kind of my luck to be born in the year of the most expensive one out there. </div></div>Kind aof my luck to be born 3 years before my pickup - you do the math, it's not that hard of a story problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Dave,Hard to believe,ANYTHING 1967 are the strongest money vettes.As i said before this is a body off correct restoration with the wrong frame.300 horse 327,4 speed with knock off wheels.Don't you think for 40,000 it should have the correct frame.I think so.diz </div></div>I may stand (or sit) corrected. EBAY buy it now $95,000http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6168&item=2475608169&rd=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Corvette races at Pocono I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Thanks Restorer. I've been out of the loop. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Restorer. I've been out of the loop. Wayne </div></div>Wayne, for how long???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted April 24, 2004 Author Share Posted April 24, 2004 In response to everyone that was good enough to put their 2-cents in.Just got back from a run to New Jersey,bought a 62 Vette and get this with a 62 frame under it and all matching numbers.Guess deep down i really wanted a convertible plus you gotta love that solid lifter cam in that 340 horse 327 and its Roman red too.Back to N.J. next Saturday to drag it home.diz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48LCCOUPE Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've had 4-- 1957, 1962, 1965, 1987.Each time I say, never again! (except for the '62 ) (me) </div></div>Congratulations, 62 is my personal favorite and I hope you enjoy. really had that fiberglass bug didn't you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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