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41 minutes ago, 60FlatTop said:

After reading all the comments I think the best solution would be to destroy any car with missing or questionable paperwork. And the destruction verified by a public official.

 

Bernie

I think that is the most common sense solution presented yet :)

 

-Ron

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We're all anxiously waiting to learn more about how you are doing on this.  Plenty of advice, including info on the options you have in following the correct process in Va.  Last we heard you were going to talk with a hot rod guy.  What did you figure out?  You never did indicated where in VA you lived. 

Terry

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Well, this thread started out to be interesting, since the OP is in Virginia, but it's now gravitated to page 5 without further response.  One of the biggest frustrations here on the forum is when someone asks for help, then just disappears.  We tried😧

Terry

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The OP got so depressed reading all the advice and probably committed suicide😞

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Is Broadway Title still in business?  They were in Alabama, a non title state.  You would sell

the vehicle to them on paper.  They would register it in Alabama, obtain a tag and License

Plate and sell the car with Alabama registration back to you with papers.  Re-registering and

titling  a vehicle from a non title state was easier in most states.  I have not seen their ads lately.

Are they still around?

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13 minutes ago, Paul Dobbin said:

Is Broadway Title still in business?  They were in Alabama, a non title state.  You would sell

the vehicle to them on paper.  They would register it in Alabama, obtain a tag and License

Plate and sell the car with Alabama registration back to you with papers.  Re-registering and

titling  a vehicle from a non title state was easier in most states.  I have not seen their ads lately.

Are they still around?

That sounds like a great way to lose legal possession of your car.

I looked into a similar deal a few years ago for a truck (might have been Broadway),  my Ohio title office called that "title washing" and said they would not accept Alabama "bill of sale titles" because of so much fraud. Getting a title in Ohio proved to be almost impossible and very expensive through legal means.

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He's probably waiting on his vehicle registration and plate from the State of Vermont :) 

 

Some one mentioned in this thread about vehicles without titles aren't really vehicles i.e. collections of parts (?). Just to clarify, most states did not issue titles to up until the 40's and 50's, some still don't on cars over a certain age. Any car built before that period, unless applied for at that or later time, never had a title. The Title comes from the State, not the car company.

 

41 minutes ago, 48Firetruck said:

my Ohio title office called that "title washing" and said they would not accept Alabama "bill of sale titles" because of so much fraud.

 

That's because they were obviously asked beforehand. "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission" (Most times)

 

If someone is concerned about transferring to their homestate, shouldn't be a problem but if the DMV, SOS refuse, ask them to explain it in writing and sign it. Then just carry the Vermont reg, if you get stopped, go to court and show the Judge the DMV, SOS refused to honor the perfectly legal out of state registration for transfer. Asking them to state in writing why they won't would probably turn the tables on the spot.

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1 hour ago, Locomobile said:

If someone is concerned about transferring to their homestate, shouldn't be a problem but if the DMV, SOS refuse, ask them to explain it in writing and sign it. Then just carry the Vermont reg, if you get stopped, go to court and show the Judge the DMV, SOS refused to honor the perfectly legal out of state registration for transfer. Asking them to state in writing why they won't would probably turn the tables on the spot.

 

They actually eluded to that... 

They told me to hire a lawyer($$$) to research and "prove" the trucks ownership history (how?) and obtain proof that I owned the truck legally (I had a bill of sale that they wouldn't accept), then convince a judge that all my proof was legitimate and have the judge issue a court order to the title office telling them to make a new title.  

 

Let's just say the system, or at least our local title office, makes it expensive and time consuming enough to encourage obtaining a titles through avenues of questionable legality.

  

BTW, we can't even take a car to the junk yard to be crushed without a title anymore. You have to sign the title over to the scrapper who marks it destroyed and sends it back to the state.

 

 

Edited by 48Firetruck (see edit history)

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23 hours ago, Terry Bond said:

One of the biggest frustrations here on the forum is when someone asks for help, then just disappears.  We tried😧

 

Right in the bracket with asking how much a car is worth and then not telling how much they bought or sold it for.

 

My mother would have said "The old stinker wanted to know but kept it a secret from those who helped him". She died back in '02, but her term "old stinker" seems to pop into my head fairly often.

 

Bernie

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33 minutes ago, 48Firetruck said:

They told me to hire a lawyer($$$) to research and "prove" the trucks ownership history (how?)

 

How, exactly. What I did here in Michigan which was the first step up the mountain, was to get a Tr45? form, which is a Police inspection and to verify the vehicle VIN number, and I assume it is the Police department's responsibility to ascertain that the vehicle is not stolen. The station wasn't busy and I was there for quite a while and after about an hour the officer returned with a big smile on his face and said something to the effect "let's go verify the VIN and we'll be done". Signed his name on the form, attached his card and told me if anyone had any questions to contact him. I didn't ask any questions, he signed my form and that is what I wanted. I'm not sure what an Attorney could have done beyond that?

 

It was really disappointing after that, I thought it was going to be a piece of cake after the Police department, but when I went to the SOS, it all fell apart. By Michigan law they cannot issue a title on a Bill of Sale. Some are obviously doing it, but they aren't supposed to be. I called whom I initially spoke with, the nice lady in Lansing that originally acted like it was no biggie and she echoed what the local SOS said, get an appraisal and get a title bond (Without a title or previous registration, there is a barrier to overcome). That is where I gave up, I didn't want to pay thousands for a license plate on a vehicle I would only drive rarely.

 

Vermont was, fill out the form, include the legit Bill of Sale, include a check for the plate fee and tax and, bang! plate and registration came in the mail, easier than falling off of something. Now, the vehicle is registered to me in a state database with my home address, I have a legal registration and plate. I haven't tried to transfer it to Michigan yet, but I have to believe it's going to be less painful if/when I do. Something is always better than nothing.

 

This isn't "Title Washing". Title washing, is the act of cancelling out certain types of titles with damage remarks (assemblers, Flood damage, total wreck), by transferring to and getting a clean title in another state that will by their process, omit those remarks, for the sole purpose of increasing the value of the car and misleading a prospective buyer. It's fraud and it's a felony.

 

 

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I googled "transferring a Vermont vehicle to Michigan" and this is what i get:

 

It doesn't say anything about non-title states as the Vermont information stated, the "registration is the title"

How do I change my out-of-state title to a Michigan title and obtain a registration for my vehicle?

To convert an out-of-state title to a Michigan title, you will need to present your out-of-state title, proof of Michigan no-fault  insurance and proof of identity  at a Secretary of State branch office.  If more than one vehicle owner is named on the out-of-state title, all owners must appear at the branch office when the application for a Michigan title is made. An appointment-of-agent form  must be presented if one of the owners cannot attend. This will allow the other owner to sign on behalf of the absent person.

If your out-of-state title is being held by a lien holder, you may take your out-of-state registration (it can be recently expired) or proof of the out-of-state title to any branch office along with proof of Michigan no-fault insurance for the vehicle. Michigan will issue a "FOREIGN OWNERSHIP-REGISTRATION ONLY" registration for the vehicle. This will allow the State of Michigan to issue license plates without converting the out-of-state title

 

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4 hours ago, Paul Dobbin said:

You would sell

the vehicle to them on paper.  They would register it in Alabama, obtain a tag and License

Plate and sell the car with Alabama registration back to you with papers.

 

That I would never do, once that vehicle has been legally transferred to and titled and plated by someone else, there is virtually no way to get it back, . The court proceedings to recover that vehicle would be similar in difficulty to trying to prove the authenticity of a Howard Hughes will.

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