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7 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

A.J.:

Just confirms we both have great taste in pre-war sport sedans...he of course remarked humbly.   A four armchair bucket seat interior would be the absolute pinnacle in one of the Special Newmarkets. 

BTW, that car needs black wall tires and Ace disks for the wire wheels.

Steve

Disks came with the car.  20" Dunlop blackwalls with tubes and flaps will run you 2k.

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11 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

A.J.:

Just confirms we both have great taste in pre-war sport sedans...he of course remarked humbly.   A four armchair bucket seat interior would be the absolute pinnacle in one of the Special Newmarkets. 

BTW, that car needs black wall tires and Ace disks for the wire wheels.

Steve

Why disc instead of wire?  My dad preferred wire.

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I remember that our P1 SP limo (Brewster) 1928 had wire wheels.  My father also had a Packard 243 Tr (which I still have) with disc wheels.  While I like wire better, I get that what's best can vary with the overall body design.

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24 minutes ago, pbug56 said:

I remember that our P1 SP limo (Brewster) 1928 had wire wheels.  My father also had a Packard 243 Tr (which I still have) with disc wheels.  While I like wire better, I get that what's best can vary with the overall body design.

The disks are just hubcaps. They go over the wires. I’m assuming your dad‘s Packard had artillery wheels.

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3 hours ago, pbug56 said:

Why disc instead of wire?  My dad preferred wire.

Sleek, Art Deco looks the Ace disk wheel covers impart.  Which style is appropriate depends on which body style the car is.  Ultimately,

 

2 hours ago, alsancle said:

They were delivered new with the disks.  It is a preference thing. You can bling them up, but they should probably have disks.

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It's a personal preference.   I do wish at least one Phantom II Special Newmarket sport sedan had been built with this style full-length, over-the-cowl hood, no side mounts and rear-mounted spare.   Might have to draw that out to see how good it would look...

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23 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Sleek, Art Deco looks the Ace disk wheel covers impart.  Which style is appropriate depends on which body style the car is.  Ultimately,

 

It's a personal preference.   I do wish at least one Phantom II Special Newmarket sport sedan had been built with this style full-length, over-the-cowl hood, no side mounts and rear-mounted spare.   Might have to draw that out to see how good it would look...

The Brewster hood treatment is interesting on the AJS series cars.  I have access to two cars and there were 3 at Pebble.  All 5 have different treatments.  The Black Croydon is the only one with a full length hood not broken up by a cowl vent.  The 4 had cowl vents, and the two Newmarkets had a different zig zag sort of treatment on the side panels.  The Henley did not have a full length hood.

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1 minute ago, alsancle said:

The Brewster hood treatment is interesting on the AJS series cars.  I have access to two cars and there were 3 at Pebble.  All 5 have different treatments.  The Black Croydon is the only one with a full length hood not broken up by a cowl vent.  The 4 had cowl vents, and the two Newmarkets had a different zig zag sort of treatment on the side panels.  The Henley did not have a full length hood.

A.J.:

Is that zig-zag treatment where the top hood panels extend over the cowl but the side panels end at the firewall but don't include the sweep cut as the Croydon?

Steve

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I'm sure it's an American body. That tool box is very distinctive and I recognize the latch on the end (there is one on both ends). Beyond that, we can't tell much. It could be a '14 English Ghost with an American body though, since it's a celebrity I'd hazard a guess and say the car was nearly new....in which case a very early American car is probable.

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Shawn Miller has a good looking Pickwick P1 for sale for 85K

 

https://www.significantcars.com/vehicles/302/1927-rolls-royce-phantom-i-pickwick-limosine

 

The Rolls-Royce Phantom was Rolls-Royce's replacement for the original Silver Ghost. Introduced as the New Phantom in 1925, the Phantom had a larger engine than the Silver Ghost and used pushrod-operated overhead valves instead of the Silver Ghost's side valves. The Phantom was built in Derby, England, and Springfield, Massachusetts, in the United States. There were several differences in specification between the English and American Phantoms.

The Phantom was replaced by the Phantom II in 1929. The designation Phantom I was never used by Rolls-Royce; it is a construct of enthusiasts applied to help distinguish it from other generations with the same model name.

This Amazing Original Unrestored car was purchased by the Seller in 2005 .The first owner was Senator A C Hardy in the Boston area according to records at the Rolls Royce Foundation. A total revision of all systems was subsequently performed by a Rolls Royce Specialist including Electronic ignition, new brakes, Bijur system checked and working, removal of radiator flushed and cleaned, removal of oil pan cleaned and new filters used at every oil change, speedometer and clock professionally repaired, 2 new spare tires, new black leather on front seat the rest of the upholstery is original. The car is driven regularly in the summer and is currently licensed and insured. It was used in long tours for instance Bretton Woods, Mount Washington, and USA Thousand Islands Ontario Canada

 

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On 9/29/2023 at 7:56 AM, JV Puleo said:

Why in the world would someone fit electronic ignition? That, in itself would be a red flag to me that the "RR specialist" didn't know what they were doing.

I can't even imagine how you would make that work.    Maybe a misprint in the advertisement?

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Steve Snyder is selling an interesting PI.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-/305216926422

 

This 1928 Rolls-Royce Springfield Pall Mall Tourer with Rolls Royce Custom was delivered new in Beverly Hills, CA in 1928,  with Rolls Royce Custom Coachwork executed by Merrimac.  It has been in the same family since 1968, with principal restoration conducted between 1969 and 1972 based on copies of the voluminous records & documents that accompany the car. Offered By The Vault Classic Cars dealership, Fullerton, CA.  714-401-1047

 

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Then, one day in the 1930's, the owner was driving by Bohman & Schwartz where he saw other older luxury cars that had been 'updated'.  He decided to let them work their 'magic' but then wisely stopped the process before it went any further...

'28 Rolls-Royce Springfield Pall Mall Tourer by RR Custom Coachworks by Merrimac - crop.jpg

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22 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Then, one day in the 1930's, the owner was driving by Bohman & Schwartz where he saw other older luxury cars that had been 'updated'.  He decided to let them work their 'magic' but then wisely stopped the process before it went any further...

'28 Rolls-Royce Springfield Pall Mall Tourer by RR Custom Coachworks by Merrimac - crop.jpg

 

I was wondering about the history of the skirts.   Steve says the car has a big history file so I'm sure it is noted in there somewhere.  If there are early 50s pictures and it is skirted then a good chance it happened prior to WWII.    I don't hate them.

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On 10/22/2023 at 8:27 AM, alsancle said:

 

I was wondering about the history of the skirts.   Steve says the car has a big history file so I'm sure it is noted in there somewhere.  If there are early 50s pictures and it is skirted then a good chance it happened prior to WWII.    I don't hate them.

I do hate them.  Too much of the spare tire exposed for a skirted fender.  Just my humble opinion.

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I think this topic started with a picture of my car 215AMS 

 

well I thought you’d like to see that work is progressing at last. The project was hampered by Covid and a clown ash framer but hopefully those sort of things are behind me and I can get on with the work. 
 

I don’t know why the picture is upside down. 

 

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