alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: Just confirms we both have great taste in pre-war sport sedans...he of course remarked humbly. A four armchair bucket seat interior would be the absolute pinnacle in one of the Special Newmarkets. BTW, that car needs black wall tires and Ace disks for the wire wheels. Steve Disks came with the car. 20" Dunlop blackwalls with tubes and flaps will run you 2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: Just confirms we both have great taste in pre-war sport sedans...he of course remarked humbly. A four armchair bucket seat interior would be the absolute pinnacle in one of the Special Newmarkets. BTW, that car needs black wall tires and Ace disks for the wire wheels. Steve Why disc instead of wire? My dad preferred wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, pbug56 said: Why disc instead of wire? My dad preferred wire. They were delivered new with the disks. It is a preference thing. You can bling them up, but they should probably have disks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, alsancle said: They were delivered new with the disks. It is a preference thing. You can bling them up, but they should probably have disks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I remember that our P1 SP limo (Brewster) 1928 had wire wheels. My father also had a Packard 243 Tr (which I still have) with disc wheels. While I like wire better, I get that what's best can vary with the overall body design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, pbug56 said: I remember that our P1 SP limo (Brewster) 1928 had wire wheels. My father also had a Packard 243 Tr (which I still have) with disc wheels. While I like wire better, I get that what's best can vary with the overall body design. The disks are just hubcaps. They go over the wires. I’m assuming your dad‘s Packard had artillery wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I've heard of such, but not in connection to our 243; mainly about cars from years earlier. Packard too, tended to offer a choice of wheel types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 hours ago, pbug56 said: Why disc instead of wire? My dad preferred wire. Sleek, Art Deco looks the Ace disk wheel covers impart. Which style is appropriate depends on which body style the car is. Ultimately, 2 hours ago, alsancle said: They were delivered new with the disks. It is a preference thing. You can bling them up, but they should probably have disks. It's a personal preference. I do wish at least one Phantom II Special Newmarket sport sedan had been built with this style full-length, over-the-cowl hood, no side mounts and rear-mounted spare. Might have to draw that out to see how good it would look... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: Sleek, Art Deco looks the Ace disk wheel covers impart. Which style is appropriate depends on which body style the car is. Ultimately, It's a personal preference. I do wish at least one Phantom II Special Newmarket sport sedan had been built with this style full-length, over-the-cowl hood, no side mounts and rear-mounted spare. Might have to draw that out to see how good it would look... The Brewster hood treatment is interesting on the AJS series cars. I have access to two cars and there were 3 at Pebble. All 5 have different treatments. The Black Croydon is the only one with a full length hood not broken up by a cowl vent. The 4 had cowl vents, and the two Newmarkets had a different zig zag sort of treatment on the side panels. The Henley did not have a full length hood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, alsancle said: The Brewster hood treatment is interesting on the AJS series cars. I have access to two cars and there were 3 at Pebble. All 5 have different treatments. The Black Croydon is the only one with a full length hood not broken up by a cowl vent. The 4 had cowl vents, and the two Newmarkets had a different zig zag sort of treatment on the side panels. The Henley did not have a full length hood. A.J.: Is that zig-zag treatment where the top hood panels extend over the cowl but the side panels end at the firewall but don't include the sweep cut as the Croydon? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: Is that zig-zag treatment where the top hood panels extend over the cowl but the side panels end at the firewall but don't include the sweep cut as the Croydon? Steve Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, alsancle said: Exactly. A.J.: I hope the car with that disjointed treatment had side mounts to make that less obvious. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: I hope the car with that disjointed treatment had side mounts to make that less obvious. Steve Yes, all with that treatment were hidden by the sidemount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) A friend of mine was at a show in Columbus, OH today and this Rolls showed up. It appears to be a Weymann leather bodied PI. Edited August 28, 2023 by K8096 (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pbug56 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Any information on these photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 The open car is a 1924 Press Photo of Dancer Vera Olcott driving Rolls-Royce Car in New York City. Looks like an early Springfield Ghost. The closed car is a Springfield PI, I forget the name of the body style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 If it's a Springfield Ghost it must be one of the first. I think only the first 75 or so cars had Dunlop wheels. It could be a somewhat older rebodied English Ghost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, JV Puleo said: If it's a Springfield Ghost it must be one of the first. I think only the first 75 or so cars had Dunlop wheels. It could be a somewhat older rebodied English Ghost. Maybe. It does look like an American body, doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) I'm sure it's an American body. That tool box is very distinctive and I recognize the latch on the end (there is one on both ends). Beyond that, we can't tell much. It could be a '14 English Ghost with an American body though, since it's a celebrity I'd hazard a guess and say the car was nearly new....in which case a very early American car is probable. Edited September 23, 2023 by JV Puleo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 The Sp P1 reminds me so much of the one I grew up with and took care of, a Brewster limo. 28. Iron head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalbender Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 the first one almost has to be a Brewster Warwick sedan similar to if not identical to this one, if it has a division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 Shawn Miller has a good looking Pickwick P1 for sale for 85K https://www.significantcars.com/vehicles/302/1927-rolls-royce-phantom-i-pickwick-limosine The Rolls-Royce Phantom was Rolls-Royce's replacement for the original Silver Ghost. Introduced as the New Phantom in 1925, the Phantom had a larger engine than the Silver Ghost and used pushrod-operated overhead valves instead of the Silver Ghost's side valves. The Phantom was built in Derby, England, and Springfield, Massachusetts, in the United States. There were several differences in specification between the English and American Phantoms. The Phantom was replaced by the Phantom II in 1929. The designation Phantom I was never used by Rolls-Royce; it is a construct of enthusiasts applied to help distinguish it from other generations with the same model name. This Amazing Original Unrestored car was purchased by the Seller in 2005 .The first owner was Senator A C Hardy in the Boston area according to records at the Rolls Royce Foundation. A total revision of all systems was subsequently performed by a Rolls Royce Specialist including Electronic ignition, new brakes, Bijur system checked and working, removal of radiator flushed and cleaned, removal of oil pan cleaned and new filters used at every oil change, speedometer and clock professionally repaired, 2 new spare tires, new black leather on front seat the rest of the upholstery is original. The car is driven regularly in the summer and is currently licensed and insured. It was used in long tours for instance Bretton Woods, Mount Washington, and USA Thousand Islands Ontario Canada 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Why is the front bumper pointed downward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalbender Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 my guess is that the rubber bushes have shrunk allowing the bumper to swivel. not sure what happenf to the end of the bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Why in the world would someone fit electronic ignition? That, in itself would be a red flag to me that the "RR specialist" didn't know what they were doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbug56 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Agreed. The dual ignition our SP P1was built with was superb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 1, 2023 Author Share Posted October 1, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 7:56 AM, JV Puleo said: Why in the world would someone fit electronic ignition? That, in itself would be a red flag to me that the "RR specialist" didn't know what they were doing. I can't even imagine how you would make that work. Maybe a misprint in the advertisement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 Steve Snyder is selling an interesting PI. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-/305216926422 This 1928 Rolls-Royce Springfield Pall Mall Tourer with Rolls Royce Custom was delivered new in Beverly Hills, CA in 1928, with Rolls Royce Custom Coachwork executed by Merrimac. It has been in the same family since 1968, with principal restoration conducted between 1969 and 1972 based on copies of the voluminous records & documents that accompany the car. Offered By The Vault Classic Cars dealership, Fullerton, CA. 714-401-1047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demco32 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1938 phantom for sale 125000€ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Then, one day in the 1930's, the owner was driving by Bohman & Schwartz where he saw other older luxury cars that had been 'updated'. He decided to let them work their 'magic' but then wisely stopped the process before it went any further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: Then, one day in the 1930's, the owner was driving by Bohman & Schwartz where he saw other older luxury cars that had been 'updated'. He decided to let them work their 'magic' but then wisely stopped the process before it went any further... I was wondering about the history of the skirts. Steve says the car has a big history file so I'm sure it is noted in there somewhere. If there are early 50s pictures and it is skirted then a good chance it happened prior to WWII. I don't hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlespetty Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 8:27 AM, alsancle said: I was wondering about the history of the skirts. Steve says the car has a big history file so I'm sure it is noted in there somewhere. If there are early 50s pictures and it is skirted then a good chance it happened prior to WWII. I don't hate them. I do hate them. Too much of the spare tire exposed for a skirted fender. Just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 7/11/2022 at 8:00 AM, alsancle said: F1 Gran Prix, Las Vegas, 2023. Used to carry Fernando Alonzo. Pretty cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 19, 2023 Author Share Posted November 19, 2023 17 hours ago, Cadillac Fan said: F1 Gran Prix, Las Vegas, 2023. Used to carry Fernando Alonzo. Pretty cool. Looks better with me driving. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 I think this topic started with a picture of my car 215AMS well I thought you’d like to see that work is progressing at last. The project was hampered by Covid and a clown ash framer but hopefully those sort of things are behind me and I can get on with the work. I don’t know why the picture is upside down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmhowe Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Here it is right side up... but it looked good upside down, also. Thanks for posting it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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