jeff_a Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Beautiful car pughs had for a while. Same as the illustration in every way. I had it posted because it shows in print the 140 h.p. the 322 Continental straight eight is capable of, according to Du Pont Motors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 The 140 HP was a pipe dream. Maybe 115, maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pughs Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 The 1930 Dupont Victoria Coupe has been re-restored by it's current owner. here are a couple of photos of the way it looks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 9 hours ago, edinmass said: The 140 HP was a pipe dream. Maybe 115, maybe. Eddy, you are not as appreciative of the Dupont as you should be. Those Continentals were completely torn down and rebuilt to higher spec by Dupont. 140 may be a bit high, but everybody was guilty of that including Duesenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I like your new avatar. I have played around with one of the DuPont cars, (speedster) they look nice. I would like to own one. They float my boat in many ways, but as a chassis and platform, I am underwhelmed. Think early Auburn eight, and toss on a very heavy body in the Waterhouse instance. The carburation and ignition were Stude President in their approach. I would call them good lower to mid range chassis of the era for their level of quaility as compared to most other Classics. I have recently inspected the Waterhouse car, it seems to be a twenty year old restoration that has been driven several thousand miles. The body seems to overpower the chassis. I like it, and would own it in a heartbeat. I think the biggest reason it suffers the way it does is production was almost nil. Put the body on a 385 CID Pierce, Packard, or Chrysler, and the engine and chassis upgrades look substantial. Ed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 The Model H was a 1928 design, sold 28-30. So it is earlier than the big eight cars you are comparing it to. I know drivability is king for you, while I fall for rarity and coolness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) AJ, your missing the BIG picture........anything I drive IS cool! Edited November 9, 2017 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 1:24 AM, pughs said: Here are a couple of photos of a 1930 DuPont that I had for a time while selling it for the family of a friend who passed away. I thought this Dupont had a really good look to it in the Dark Brown (all be it's re-restoration is much more flashy and shows off the body lines more) a really good period look - fell in love with it when featured on CCCA magazine cover eons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 Here are a couple of photos of it when found. There is a great article on the car in the June 1983 "The Classic Car" where these photos came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 A few more comments on the Waterhouse from the CCCA article: 1. The gentleman that restored it the first time bought it in the early 50s when he was still a kid. He went to look at a car that was supposed to be a 540k but ended up bring a K, but this was sitting nearby. He owned it a long time. 2. It was built for the 32 NY autoshow and was shown along with the only 2 model H DuPont's built. 3. There are no other known Waterhouse Victoria survivors. 4. Originally it was all brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 I thinks Stan might still have a few copies of this. Everybody on this thread should own a copy. I'm pushing this to the top in honor of the "lost classics" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 Somebody asked if this one still existed in the "lost classics" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I photographed this one for a feature story in Antique Automobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 West, I saw the car you photographed while it was under restoration in Steve Babinsky's shop in Lebanon, NJ several years ago. It was a solid car to begin with and the choice of colors etc just work so well and do not over power the really great lines of the car. To me, it looks exactly like the car would have /could have appeared when new. Great restraint was show to not add a lot of period accessories and overload it . Thanks for sharing this with all of us. Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/15/2018 at 9:53 AM, West Peterson said: I photographed this one for a feature story in Antique Automobile. Is that the one owned by the guy in Penn that drove it to Hershey a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Did that car survive John? I don't recall it in circulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Coming up for auction is the Victoria we were discussing. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/gc19/the-guyton-collection/lots/r0037-1930-du-pont-model-g-convertible-victoria-by-waterhouse/750681 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, alsancle said: Did that car survive John? I don't recall it in circulation. This Convertible Coupe is a close parallel/equivalent, though do not know its story. Edited February 20, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Close match in another Convertible Sedan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 hours ago, John_Mereness said: This Convertible Coupe is a close parallel/equivalent, though do not know its story. Is that in the AACA museum? There was a coupe at one of the Boca Raton shows I was at and we were parked in the same circle as it. It surprisingly got very little attention, but I guess being parked next to a J, CL, couple of PA 12 coupes, etc, made it look small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 There are a few living in the Miami Beach area, but they seldom get out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Anyone want to play guess the hammer price on the car coming up for sale at RM in Saint Louis? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, edinmass said: Anyone want to play guess the hammer price on the car coming up for sale at RM in Saint Louis? Yikes, this is a tough one to guess price https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/gc19/the-guyton-collection/lots/r0037-1930-du-pont-model-g-convertible-victoria-by-waterhouse/750681 - super rare car, very attractive body, very older restore with older restored extensive updating to that, decent market exists for it and they never come up for sale, but for some reason I do not think it will 1MM plus like this Stutz https://rmsothebys.com/am16/amelia-island/lots/1931-stutz-dv-32-convertible-victoria-by-rollston/1078714 . I am thinking 775-825K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I'll chime in at 650-700 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 A real Rollston bodied SV16 which is a pretty good comp is probably a 800k car. I'm going to say that it brings that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 We are all only caretakers, but I am lucky to own this body on a Lincoln K........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 12:52 AM, jcrow said: We are all only caretakers, but I am lucky to own this body on a Lincoln K........ Photo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Here you go 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Waterhouse? Nice. You should post it to the lincoln thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Waterhouse, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Nice Waterhouse. Is that the one Harry A use to own out west? Is it a KB? Edited March 2, 2019 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Sweet Lincoln !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 It is a KB. I believe it is the only 31 Lincoln Waterhouse Victoria Convertible. Prior owner was Otis Chandler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 I'm not really a Lincoln expert, but wasn't the KB introduced in 32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Once owned by Mr. A.J. Hoe (1934-1938) who drive it from Calif. to N.Y. in four days. (Dark blue with red wheels). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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