Johan Boltendal Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's a Fisher body, code 273 body nr. 58 0f 60 V-8's made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 Please, find some latest progress pictures attached, all windows in place, new channel, new rubber parts,new filler, All window and lock related parts are working well,including the two newly made window mechanisms, the small ones that take the handle were completely worn out on both front doors.Doors close and fit as they should and the gaps are like they supposed to be.I will start on the top hardware next, should be interesting as well.Question, what would you like the car to have; a black top with tan inner lining, or a tan one with the same tan inner lining, I'd love to learn your thoughts on this.Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I'm a big fan of monochromatic, so I'd probably go with the black (Heck, I would probably have even put black sidewall tires on it ).I'm sure it would look stunning either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The tan top sounds beautiful, but you really need to ask yourself what colors YOU want. I have always loved a tan top on a dark car body. It seems to enhance the dropped body lines at the sides near the rear of the car. I don't think I would have designed in such a feature only to hide it with the same color top. What color have you chosen for the seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friartuck Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I vote for the Tan top with tan inside lining. I'm assuming the interior seat material is the same as the divider material, dark green leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 Love your responses,thanks,as far as the interior color is concerned, the picture may perhaps distort it, but the color is, "11T 1331 black leather" with the original grain and thickness as close possible to be found.Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 One thing that is fairly easy to do is look at other like-bodied cars and see what appeals to your eye when you first look at it. Is it the rake of the rear section or the look of the size of the car itself? Do the styled lines of the car contrast or blend with the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Just me, but I would photoshop the cars side picture with both colrs of tops.My thought is that all that classy chrome around all the glass will get lost with a light color top. A black top would make the chrome really stand out. Both ways will look good though. I am with West on black tires, black top, but it's not our car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Great car. Do you have a trimmer lined up? If not would love to offer services to do upholstery on the car, love leather and early tops, that is all I want to fool with. I have references, have done complete jobs on Cord, Packard Darrin, early Babcock, many others. Do it now as a hobby to help pay for my old car disease. thanks David Coco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts_DG8 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I love the effort and quality that you are putting into this car, especially with it being a driver. As far as input to the top color choice, I have to agree with the position that this is more of a personal choice. You can stick strictly to what the car was or would have been delivered with or tweak it some. What ever choice you make based on the results pictured so far it will be the right choice and personally I can assure you in advance that I will not be disappointed with what ever choice you make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hello David, thanks for asking and thank you for offering your service. I have an upholsterer lined up, besides that, you would have to tow your gear a long way, as I'm in the Netherlands. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thanks for our interesting replies.The car was originally delivered with the tan with tan liningand with the intention of an " after the build sheet restoration", a new tan top is logical, the more we think about it, the more we tend to a black top instead. The car gets a better look, will be lower and longer in appearance and not so "set off" by the tan top in the raised position. I have looked at dozens of pictures from differnt classic cars and come to the same conclusion with the darker colored cars, over and over again, they are looking better with the black top, but it struggles hard with my authenticity goal,I will have to give this some very serious thoughts to finally come to a decision and your ideas are certainly valued. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 "the more we think about it, the more we tend to a black top instead. The car gets a better look, will be lower and longer in appearance and not so "set off" by the tan top in the raised position."I agree with the "lower and longer". That was a goal by car makers back then.I can see the dilema with trying for the 100% authenticity, but somewhere along the line, personal preferences should be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Think of it this way: Tops tend to need replacing from time to time. I suggest that you do the top to suit your own tastes. If you, or any following owners, want the tan top in the future, that's relatively easy to do compared to doing a complete new paint job or upholstery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I agree black is sharp, personally I would put on dark brown or grey, but only a handful of cars in the World are restored to their original build sheets (and Cadillac build sheets are very detailed excepting dealer installed accessories). I would propably go as dark a tan as Stayfast or one of the German companies make. You will find a separation of the men from the boys in quality of the top and a truly 100 point car looks good with any color top, the quality just stands out over the look. Not an easy decision though, as 100 point 4 door convertible top on a CCCA car can easily be $8K to 10K plus, especially when chrome beading is used to cover nails. When Johan is speaking of a tan liner in the top he is not speaking of the color of the inside of the top convas - this car actually has a fabric headliner that integrates into the pads and is installed between the top and the bows - makes a complex top even the more difficult to upholster.JMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi JohnThe liner doesn't need to be replaced if you decide to change the color of the outside. Johan intends for the liner to be the same color, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts_DG8 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I for one can understand the personal point of view, as I've decided to alter my Dart from the data plate color scheme of Green(Body)/Green(Top)/Green(Interior) to a Green(Body)/Black(Top)/White(Interior). It will be something someone somewhere down the road can change back to the data plate spec if they choose to, but now the matching numbers car that it was is not built to the original build spec... The car though will still be an attractive combination that was available, just more to how I would have ordered it, not how it was built. So, bottom line is go with your heart and enjoy.Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey West,Correct, liner almost makes it easier to change top as pads are not an issue of matching of the canvas. Top was a big issue when I was doing the Franklin as the car was a little brightly lit (Satan Red, Mulbury Maroon, and wheels & stripe of Puritan Cream w/white walls, so I went with a Porsche Carmel Brown with a mottled Maroon Stayfast edging and welt). Great seeing you the other week, shame day went by so fast.JMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Most interesting replies, I learned from them,thank you all for your personal opinion and time to write it down, Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 No decision on the top color yet,lots of hard work went into the weatherstrip fit,I thought i'd had it, with the door and window fit, was I to learn better!The T shaped rubber strip didn't have the original vulcanised metal bars in it, so it went all over the place upon fitting it to the rails, I had to come up with a metal based solution.I had plasma cut a SS 1/32 thick plate into strips an inch wide,glued these to the rubber, after drilling and filing the oval holes, fitted the tan bow drill and screwed these to the rails.On top of that every position is related to all other loose and adjustable components, it has been quite an undertakingI'm happy with the result, the fit is like the old ones(factory originals came with the car)and I like the looks.Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Good Old Days Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Nice work Johan!It's always a pleasure to look at your project!Now I really can't wait to see your car!! Good luck with your car! Carine</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Too long it has taken me to tell you about progress, I know.Not too much has happened, a few things did. We managed to find an exact match for the liner, colour and material,the wooden top bows have been succesfully covered with a matchingcloth as well,I'm pleased with the result.A nice detail I think is the restored Fisher badge, more importantly, we have decided on a top colour finally, the authenticity has won a tan top it will be. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Good Old Days Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Johan,Seeing these pictures makes us forget you didn't post for a while! Nice work, did you do the cloth on the bows yourself?The Pionier Automobiel Club can be proud of a member like you!At least this member is!I'm very glad you chose the tan top, I think it's good to do it original like the rest. And the contrast will give the car a very distinguised look like this car deserves.It must be a crown on your work! Succes,Carine</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hello Carine,Thank you for your compliments, the clothing on the bows was a family affair! Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Good Old Days Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hi Johan! It's been a while!Did you make any progress or did the holiday season interfear your work?We stopped for almost two months now, but are getting back on track again. You don't see much, but things happen nevertheless.Restoring sometimes is difficult, when you don't see the work.We got all winter to get things together!Good luck,Carine:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 Hello Carine,Thanks for asking, just taking the car to the upholsterer next week.Pictures should explain the delay, Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 And you said it was an "All Weather Phaeton"....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 We indeed had to endure All Weather, but the result of the garden restoration made us forget. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Good Old Days Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Well, Johan now we know what kept you from posting pictures!I hope you don't drive your car into that big pond just to check or your rustfree treatment is well done! A Cadillac deserves a residence like that, so you're right to clean it up before the car is ready!:cool:I've just been to the upholsterer to choose my colors, not much choice I picked the original colors, brown leather and tan top!Now back on track with the car to get asap to his workshop! Bonne chance!Carine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Hi,It has been some time, but now there is interior development to show. Hope you like it as much as I do, Johan Edited February 21, 2010 by Johan Boltendal (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 WOW....a short wait was worth it. Your interior is looking elegant! It gives me the incentive to keep moving along on my LaSalle.Regards, Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Johan,The interior looks gorgeous! Nice to see you back at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 Latest pictures from yesterday, payed the upholstere a visit and progress is made, as you will notice. I'm very happy with the result till now.Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted August 16, 2010 Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 Like to share the current status pictures, Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddieman53 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Johan, I'm a new member here and just found this thread. Beautiful Job! I so very much agree with your decision to go with the tan top. Looking forward to following this project to completion. Keep up the good work!Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Zimmermann Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Beautiful Job! PaulPaul, the world is small! Are you another one quiting the CLC forum because of the name's rule? I'm here for another reason as I decided to build a Mark II model and not a Cadillac one!Johan: nice work, congratulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddieman53 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hi Roger. No I didn't quit the CLC Forum. Just branching out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 The top on the car in the right color, finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest South_paw Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Johan,Just wanted to say that I've been watching your build from the beginning with great interest. If there should be another Cadillac in my future(God help me), your year and style car would be it. Thanks for sharing your build & keep up the updates coming :cool: Edited September 29, 2010 by South_paw (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted September 29, 2010 Author Share Posted September 29, 2010 Lou,Thank you, glad you like the pictures and watch progress. I feel honoured, to get this comment from a person with your skills and attention to detail.Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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