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Bob, I did a look up for Hartford not knowing exactly where in Conn you are and Velocity was not offered. You can put in your exact info and try: https://www.comcast.com/Clu/ChannelLineUp

August 20th 1968 riding with my dad in his 812 Cord from Massachusetts to Auburn. He bought his first collector car in 1951.

1927 Stutz Model AA

32 is the year the chassis was built.

The Duesenberg is a home made special built in the 50s.

No, I'm not a dealer. I also understand your frustration. They have to provide some value add or they would cease to exist but it may not be obvious. Do not under estimate the trade in piece as I know many dealers who live on this. From the buyers perspective there is a lot of convenience in being able to trade one or more cars towards another. Even if financially in the long run selling the first car and using the money towards the second may be better. Also the easy access to the car is a value add. How many times do you see a private seller advertising "serious inquiries only". The dealer is usually happy to have all inquires.

There are 4 value adds alone in the post you quoted. A good dealer is providing a service which is why they usually get more than a private seller.

You can't price it at dealer retail because you are not a dealer. A dealer is in theory adding value to the transaction by taking trades, arranging transportation, providing financing or depending on the state having to stand behind the car. If a dealer buys your car and suddenly it's on the market for 25% more that markup is for covering value add or costs you don't have.

Isn't 9k for a 2 door sedan plenty? Also, declining prices really depends on the car. I've never seen so much money spent on Duesenbergs and very high end restorations in general.

We could really go off track here, but I love "serious inquires only"... like I'm going to call because I'm lonely and want to talk. It makes me think the seller has no concept that it's work to sell a car. My all time favorite "price is firm, must sell". Seems to me that those two are mutually exclusive.

The term "older restoration" is spot on describing a car that was restored 20 or more years ago and has mellowed. I do not like "seasoned". There are certain terms that I see which make me stop reading the ad.

While the green one is a bit more stylish I think the fact that the red one is a real car kind of makes it better in my eyes.

Love the colors. Especially the black walls.

A reproduction blower on a car that was not originally intended to have one is a more or less a push with regard to value. Total cost of acquisition and installation of a reproduction blower is about 120k. I'm assuming that the engine was already rebuilt with the steel rods else you can add another 80k to do the engine. Historically you would probably get most of that back on resale but today's market is more conscious of originality so maybe not. In the case of J425, an originally blown car, I think the reproduction blower will be more than paid for by returning the car to it's original configuration. Attached are pictures of a reproduction blower being fitted to a standard J engine.

Hmmm, was it a crummy blue? Sounds like j425, a Murphy conv Berline. Restored in the 1960s by Jack Nethercutt in exchange for the supercharger. Car was sold in 2010 by Gooding at Pebble and is currently being restored with a reproduction blower.

Actually I agree with you completely Bob. The Davis episode & the 500k episodes were my favorites. I saw the Duesenberg episode with Johnny Pascucci but I do not believe that is the one we are discussing here.

Are you trying to say that reality shows may sometime embellish a bit? Btw, there has not been a true undiscovered Model J found in 45 years.

Bringing up a bunch of other examples of government meddling just serves to obfuscate the clear fact the Volt would not exist on it's own merits. If the green technology is so great it should succeed without being propped up. You keep alluding to the "greater good of society" which I guess the Prius drivers all seem to understand but the Neanderthals in trucks don't seem to get. Perhaps those guys driving trucks are too busy lugging wood to a job site, driving 5 kids around or otherwise being productive. The single tree hugging Professor can easily utilize a small Hybrid to get himself campus for his 9:30 am lecture on Global Warming. Hybrids that don't clearly say "I'm saving the world" will not sell to their target demographic. The Prius sells (mostly) for that reason.

Many issues that I can foresee we won't agree on. So I guess I'll express my point of view this way. I feel it would never occur to the Neanderthal driving the truck that the greenie in his hybrid should be compelled to drive a truck too. It would also not occur to the Neanderthal that the greenie should be subsidizing his truck buying habit just because the Neanderthal happens to feel it would be for the greater good for everyone to drive a truck. How many hybrid drivers would be comfortable with the idea that truck buyers should either by compelled to drive hybrids or that the truck drivers subsidizing their hybrid purchase is a good thing? A high percentage I'm sure. Because the greenie feels it is for the greater good that everyone drive a hybrid, right? That's smug.

I have no problem with hybrid technology and would welcome any technological advances that would make driving more efficient for me (as in cheaper per mile calculated by total cost). My problem is with the zealots pushing it and making me help pay for their political agenda. Proponents fail to acknowledge this distinction with the people making fun of the volt. The technology may have potential but the "movement" is smug and annoying.

Cecil, if you could keep us posted with restoration pics it would be most appreciated!

The black fender is correct for a 36 cab A. The primer fender is a special roadster wing and unless a special order car probably not correct.

There is no way a 4 door is worth 15k in any condition.

I was pretty close with the 175k estimate. Typical buyer of subsidized Chevy Volt earns $170,000 per year | timesfreepress.com You may already know that buyers of the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid electric vehicle get a huge, $7,500 tax credit from the federal government. But did you hear what General Motors CEO Dan Akerson recently said about the income level of the people who buy the Volt? "The average purchaser of a Volt is earning $170,000 a year," Akerson told The Associated Press. So even if your income is far lower than $170,000 and you have no interest in buying the Volt -- which has proved unpopular with consumers -- you are still having to help pay the cost of the vehicle for people whose average annual pay is $170,000! The Volt has also gotten massive federal assistance for production and development, meaning its total subsidies per vehicle run well into the tens of thousands of dollars. Does that seem like a wise federal "investment" of your tax dollars in the interest of promoting "green" vehicles?

The first version of the 540k Cab A is my favorite. I'm having trouble placing this particular car in my mind. There are very few unrestored Cab A's left. Do you know any of the history. Perhaps a photo before the restoration started . I assume you friend is in contact with Jim Friswold in Tigard Oregon 1-503-639-1158. He should have reproductions of the owners manual and parts list with are the only manuals available for the 540k.