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The Gilmore car museum has a 1921 Roamer with Rochester Duesenberg engine. It has a great presence!

Yes we sure will. This year we are bringing my son’s 23 Cole two person Coupe. How about you?

Now I am a Cole fan, so here are a couple of great designs. The first is the 1913 Radiator badge. It is an excellent badge with the eagle and the logo. One of the best early badge designs in my opinion. Looks great against the German Silver Mayo radiator when all polished. The second is the nickel airplane propeller props that Cole introduced in late 1917 with the launch of the Cole Aero 8 and they used them through 1922. JJ Cole was very big into early flight and used many cross over elements in the design of the Cole Aero 8.

You didnt quite specify the cut off date for early cars with side curtains in your post. But there is nothing like driving a touring car in the winter! Here is a 1919/20 Cole Aero 8 with side curtains on and out in the winter. and here is a 1916 Cole with Side Curtains installed. It doesnt look like it is raining and there are other people in the car so wondering if it was to cut down on dust in the area that they are driving in.

It is a maxwell Sport Touring though they were painted in Chester Hunt Red. Great Maxwell at a great price! Someone will be getting a good bargain and unique car to drive and take to shows.

They are out there and starting to pop up and be noticed. Read this article from the recent Concours of America at St John’s. http://americajr.com/news/2019/07/29/john-d-groendyke-bill-warner-honored-at-41st-concours-delegance-of-america/ Ben is 18, owns that car on his own, maintains it, drives it, and enjoys the heck out of it. He is also an instructor at the Gilmore Model T driving school and a member of the CCCA. There is no AACA group in our Michigan area.

Yes, that is right. The early Maxwell stuff was great. It was the late teens where they started to have problems.

This is great to see, though tours can be more difficult to get to for younger people due to taking weekdays off of work or school. My 18 year old son has been enjoying taking the Coles to Concours or other events on weekends. Here he is with the 13 Cole at the Copshaholm Concours and then he has his 1923 Cole Coupe at the Concours of America at St John’s this weekend. Picture is him with the 23 Cole at the Concours media day. He is having a lot of fun and getting other young people involved. It’s about getting the younger people exposed and involved as his favorite era is actually the 20’s for automobiles.

I took some videos of the car running, driving, and starting if anyone wants to see them. Kevin

Here is my 1913 Cole Carb and number.

I was surprised that California was ranked number 49 as the 2nd worse state to own one!

Hagerty released this article that ranked all 50 states on how friendly to own and drive a classic car they are. Interesting read. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/07/18/how-classic-car-friendly-is-your-state?sf105513543=1&fbclid=IwAR3aVjqKHJHA0Iej5O1UQ_EsK1Yb6jerFquKszlV5tc7R5kvkk3EcHi2MUA Do you agree with your state's ranking?

It will be a few days before I am with the car again so I can take some pictures and look at the specific information for you. Thanks!

I was just looking for information on my Stromberg carb this weekend. I have a 1913 Cole and it uses a specific Stromberg Carb that was built to Cole's specs. It says it is the model 'G'. Is the Cole-Stromberg model G different than the GA, GB, or GC that you listed above or is the A, B, and C, versions of the G carb?

Mike, I actually think this is 1912 or 1913. See my post of the Willoughby body on the Cole above from 1911. They used that through early 1913. In late 1913 and 1914 the Cole limo with Willoughby body has a different style per the picture below. Typically Willoughby would have a similar design for the small contract runs they did for automakers and would change them by some minor tweak. For example on the 1912 Cole the two lines swoop up the back while on the chandler they go straight all the way around.

Very interesting. In late 1911 -1913, Willoughby made a body for Cole that is very similar. It was called the London Limo. None of these cars survive today. If I had the restoration skills and the amount of funds it would take, I know of a 1912 Cole chassis.....

Takes a lot to get me excited, so no worries 🙂 It is similar to a model A, though less power. With the Overdrive you can cruise in the 40-45 mph range. I have attached the spec sheet from 1922 and you can see the HP rating. I have never had any challenges with hills or anything at all when I drove it around or to a show, you just need to know your not going to cruise over 45. That's actually about where I cruise at with my Model A as well. There is a bit of a different feel to it though as the Maxwell has the tall narrow tires while the Model A has the wider balloon tires. Not really sure I would say it is worse or anything, just a different feel. If I was going to keep the car, I would also tighten up the steering some as there is a bit of play. Nothing crazy but needs some tuning. Also, another difference is that the Maxwell has only brakes on the rear. They work very good, though you need to make sure you give yourself some room to stop. At some point in the past someone put a Model A carb on it as the Maxwell Stewart carbs were notorious for having problems. It also has an electric fuel pump on it instead of the vacuum tank. When they restored this in the early 2000's and put the Overdrive in, they set the car up to drive and be functional. It is bigger than a Model A which gives the driver and the passengers more room (especially in the back seat) which is nice. Also, with this car you get into lots of conversations at the show or when you take it out as those big disc wheels and style stick out. Also, not many Maxwell's around and you can even join the Chrysler club with it as 22 and up Maxwell's are allowed. The hood ornament is also the early Chrysler wings. There will always be someone who brings up Jack Benny as well.

Glad you like it. It is bigger than a Model T, but not that big! 🙂 I know what you mean about storage space.

Thanks. It is a good and fun car and I had it at the Henry Ford Old Car Festival last September. It is not perfect, though it has a great look with the wheels and the color! I just don't use this one anymore now that I acquired two more Coles last Winter and I personally don't like cars to just sit.

The 1922 Maxwell was launched as 'The Good Maxwell' after Walter Chrysler joined Maxwell to turn it around in 1920. He essentially took 1921 off and released the new and revised model to modernize the Maxwell after the many issues that they had with the late teens models. This Maxwell was restored in the early 2000's and then purchased at an RM Sotheby's auction shortly after. Car was driven and maintained since that restoration and the primary body(not fenders) were repainted in 2018. The car is in Chester Hunt Red which is an original Maxwell color for this model. The car has the original four cylinder engine and a Mitchell 1000 Over Drive so you can go for a nice and comfortable drive. Car was also converted to 12V and includes turn signals for safety. Overall a great driver that will be unique at any show, tour, or event that you take it to! Clean and Clear title, though it is listed as a 1920 Maxwell, which traces back to the Pennsylvania area. It was definitely titled with the wrong year at some point in history, but the serial number, features, and body match exactly to 1922. Car comes with an original manual, dealer ad book, and dealer spec book as well as documentation going back to early 2000's. I am selling as I don't use this car much and not a lot of time for it. It deserves to be with someone that will use it more and enjoy it! The price is $16,000 and it is in the Detroit area. Message, call, or text if you want more information. Kevin at 269-830-6174

I live in Michigan and Greenfield Village/the Henry Ford are excellent. The Gilmore Car Museum in south West Michigan is one not to miss. Also in the Detroit area check out Stahls. http://www.stahlsauto.com/. Limited hours but a wonderful collection. The piquette plant is great,though not sure how much you are into model Ts, but a lot of history there. If you by any chance like Motown then you have to check out the Motown museum where it all began.

In order to have a productive analysis on this topic and determine how to optimize for the future we need to stop using generalizations based on stereotypes. In this thread I have seen many examples of this such as the next generation Is always on their phone or they are so broke. They don’t make any money so they could never buy a car. Here is an interesting piece of info that I just saw today in the Detroit free press: To be sure, many millennials do not fit stereotypes, such as being difficult to manage, impatient and unsatisfied with work. Not all millennials are wondering how they're going to pay the next cell phone bill, either. As a group, millennial households — ages 23 to 38 in 2019 — now earn more than young adults did in nearly any time in the past 50 years, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of new census data. The median adjusted income in a household headed by a millennial was $69,000 in 2017, according to the Pew study. That is a higher figure than for nearly every other year on record, apart from around 2000, when households headed by younger people earned $67,600 in inflation-adjusted dollars. so as we see based on actual US data, millennials are earning more than any previous time in the last 50 years except for 2000. Here is the link to the actual article about a hair dresser making over $200k per year in Detroit. https://www.freep.com/story/money/personal-finance/susan-tompor/2019/06/15/aesthetic-hair-co-alex-pardoe-detroit/1298297001/ Now whether they live in a high rent place like California or New York is a factor and who knows if they would be interested in pre war cars, but let’s not assume that the new generation is worse off than previous generations and make hasty generalizations.

You might be surprised! My iPhone usage is probably 3 hours a day as I am working and getting things done. I can work anywhere at anytime and do. It’s being always connected and efficiency. What used to take three hours of research to find at a library or looking in a file cabinet at a business can now be found on your phone in minutes. I also use a very well known restoration shop for my cars. I am learning more and more and doing work on my cars now for more things but not everything yet. I have found the pre war cars to be a great escape from the always on connected world of today and I know others who are feeling the same. Message posted from my iPhone just like my other messages today as I have been at a car show, at the store, doing yard work, and out on the lake. These devices help you stay connected in real time as you are doing things and having fun. People aren’t just sharing cat photos like internet memes suggest.

We have always done meet ups at another event, that way not a worry. Big national clubs provide that and are great at that and is why I belong to the Aaca, HCCA, and CCCA. At large scale that makes complete sense. Or there are plenty of cars shows that you can meet up at and do a small tour to the show. In Michigan there is a car show within 30 miles of you every day of the week during the summer on either the East side or the West side of the state. Our local HCCA group did a small tour to a flag day car show in Grand Rapids on Friday. It was put together in less than two weeks. Now with Marc you paid the national club and got the big benefits then you paid the local club and that did not cover any insurance as the national club covered that. Just paid for printing, renting meeting rooms, postage and other stuff throughout the year. There are are probably three types of groups and one size or method does not fit all 1. National club like the AACA 2. Local or regional club 3. Registry or support org for a particular marquee All three have different purposes and serve a different role and each will have their own method of modernization with some methods being shared across all three.

Matt, you are correct it’s not just a site, that is table stakes. Several posts earlier I had other lessons learned which included ways we have evolved and are not a club. No membership fees, no Hierarchy and politics, electronic only, meet ups instead of formal meetings, one to one or one to many connection facilitation, and my son does other stuff such as snap chat,etc. Very far from perfect but a start. My first old car was a 1931 Model A that I got a few years ago and I joined MARC and the local region group. A formal hierarchical structure, monthly meetings, monthly lunches and breakfasts during the week and in mornings when anyone who worked couldn’t attend, and endless debate about what tours or drives to do because many had already done everything. What new person to the hobby wants to come to something like this? I had so many questions and asked where I can go to for different types of needs and what stuff I should have with me when I am driving, etc. The answer was we need to get more welcome packets printed at the printer. I asked can’t you email it to me? Nope. I didn’t complain and I offered to do the newsletter which I did for 8 months. I tried to adapt things and drive some change but it was such a process and resistance that I just couldn’t do it any longer and invest the time. I remember one of the monthly meetings where there was a 30 minute debate about whether they should raise the annual dues by $5. It just isn’t productive and it was a bigger hassle to pay by check than any amount the dues would have been. What person under 35 uses checks or even carries cash. I’m in my 40s and I don’t use either. Now don’t get me wrong, when we actually had an event or tour it was always a great time and I loved it but it was just so much other bureaucracy to get to that point and if you didn’t join the breakfasts and lunches you kind of felt like a bit of an outsider. I did not renew my membership to that club or to MARC. I agree about another thread with a serious discussion and not just saying the sky is falling or the golden age is over. I have been in the tech industry for 27 years and I have a mentality of launch quick, learn, adapt, and optimize. The only thing consistent in my world is rapid change.