Stude1915_1917 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Looking for a timing cover/water pump mount front plate and frame engine mount for a 1917 Studebaker Four engine. Hope someone can help. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(S) Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 What State/ Zip code? Is this for an EJ engine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Hi! California/94087 EJ engine? I'm not familiar with that term. This is for a 1917 Studebaker Four. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I presume this is a Model SF engine. If you can quote the engine number that will nail down the exact model. The SF ran for several years and there were often mid-year model changes. I know someone who might have that part but I am probably on the wrong side of the Pacific for you. Btw the EJ is the early - 1920-21 - Light Six. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude Light Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) Looks like p/n 16918 - Motor Gear Case Cover. Same for 6 cyl and 4 cyl Better photo Edited October 4, 2022 by Stude Light (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude Light Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Four cylinder pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 I agree with @Stude Light that the part ID is p/n 16918 - Motor Gear Case Cover. @nzcarnerd @(S) can you confirm that you have access to the part? Having shipped from overseas is not problem. I really appreciate all the help guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Stude1915_1917 said: I agree with @Stude Light that the part ID is p/n 16918 - Motor Gear Case Cover. @nzcarnerd @(S) can you confirm that you have access to the part? Having shipped from overseas is not problem. I really appreciate all the help guys! I will see what I can find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 @nzcarnerdThank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 @nzcarnerdany luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbk Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 What is wrong with yours? is there a casting number on it? I have a similar plate with the waterpump housing on it without internals, but I think it maybe a later engine, possibly from a EW. If your other contacts don't work out I will post some pictures. Robert Kapteyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Stude1915_1917 said: @nzcarnerdany luck? My contact is unavailable for a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 Cool! Thank you! @nzcarnerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 @rbkWe actually don't have the original. It wasn't included in the purchase. The plate we are looking for does have the back of the water pump housing on it. Fortunately, I do have all the internals. Send a pic if you get a chance. Thank you again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbk Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I checked the front plate I have and it has a casting number 21501, so it seems that they are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbk Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 This is the front plate I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 Hi @rbk! Thank you for the pic and for tracking down your part! I have a 1916 and 1917 engine. Let me do some quick measurements and see if the front plate opening is the same size on both engine variations. It could be that the part size remained the same despite the new part ID. I'm definitely still interested in purchasing the part. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 hours ago, Stude1915_1917 said: Hi @rbk! Thank you for the pic and for tracking down your part! I have a 1916 and 1917 engine. Let me do some quick measurements and see if the front plate opening is the same size on both engine variations. It could be that the part size remained the same despite the new part ID. I'm definitely still interested in purchasing the part. Thanks again! I would not rely on the part number corresponding with the casting number as I have a spare cover with the casting number 109056 which I suspect came from a 1917 Series 18 4 cylinder engine. So if part number 16918 was used on Series 16,17 and 18 both 4 and 6 cylinder I don't think it would be unusual for different casting numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbk Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 I doubt very much that the part i have will fit your engine. I will put it on blank paper and draw an outline and send it to you. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 We should have the parts if,Rbk doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude1915_1917 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 @old car fan @rbk - As far as I can tell from early measurements, the cover works on both engines. It's neat to see the continued use of specific parts overlapping between multiple engine iterations. @old car fan - If you have the part, I'd definitely be interested in purchasing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbk Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I am sorry that I did not get back to doubt I have been sick. Is there anyway you could pick it up in Joliet Ilinois or arrange to have it picked up. I only want $50.00 for it but packing it is a problem for me due to my age. email me at studebaker@mac.com Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hage Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I have a question about this piece. When I was taking mine apart everything was siezed. I had to use a little heat to get the starter clutch off of the crank. On the passenger side o that casting there is a kind of square section. In the middle of that was a 3/8 threaded hole where something aluminum melted. Right in the middle of where the generator shaft gear is. What was that? What does it do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldford Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Mike Hage said: I have a question about this piece. When I was taking mine apart everything was siezed. I had to use a little heat to get the starter clutch off of the crank. On the passenger side o that casting there is a kind of square section. In the middle of that was a 3/8 threaded hole where something aluminum melted. Right in the middle of where the generator shaft gear is. What was that? What does it do. That aluminum piece might be part of a Lovejoy coupling that was used to connect the engine shaft to the generator shaft. if so, easy to replace with new parts. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hage Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 No no I have that piece. This is something that used to be in a threaded hole right on the face. Pretty much dead center of the driven gear.between the 2 bolts on the painted face plate. This is a bizzare setup. We have a reverse thead set bolt with a spring and a ball. Not sure how to keep that all in there? Then on the top of the gear there is... well was a little nub that maybe turns separately. I heated it up gently with the torch and was goung to wiggle it out with needlenose pliers when Bang!! It went off like a 22 shell! Its completely gone!! ????? If someone could explain this to me how this all works? It would've made sense for the distributer, tighten up setscrew, turns a gear a little to adjust timing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Mike Hage said: No no I have that piece. This is something that used to be in a threaded hole right on the face. Pretty much dead center of the driven gear.between the 2 bolts on the painted face plate. This is a bizzare setup. We have a reverse thead set bolt with a spring and a ball. Not sure how to keep that all in there? Then on the top of the gear there is... well was a little nub that maybe turns separately. I heated it up gently with the torch and was goung to wiggle it out with needlenose pliers when Bang!! It went off like a 22 shell! Its completely gone!! ????? If someone could explain this to me how this all works? It would've made sense for the distributer, tighten up setscrew, turns a gear a little to adjust timing? This diagram may help you Mike. I think the little "nub" you refer to is actually item 16990 on the diagram which is identified as a "Generator drive shaft plug" and is probably nothing more than a hardened piece of metal for the ball bearing to contact and take out any end float in the generator drive shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hage Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This is where something aluminum looking melted. What goes in here? A guide for that gear? Part of the starter mounting? I have no starter. No idea how it mounts. Anyone have a picture of that? What holds that ball and spring in place on the reverse thread set screw? Also wondering about the front crankshaft oil seal. How did that work? Sorry a million questions. Thank you for your patience. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 47 minutes ago, Mike Hage said: This is where something aluminum looking melted. What goes in here? A guide for that gear? Part of the starter mounting? I have no starter. No idea how it mounts. Anyone have a picture of that? What holds that ball and spring in place on the reverse thread set screw? Also wondering about the front crankshaft oil seal. How did that work? Sorry a million questions. Thank you for your patience. Mike The hole your blue arrow is pointing is as far as I know not necessary and hence it was plugged with with aluminium or something like that. Plug it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hage Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This is where something aluminum looking melted. What goes in here? A guide for that gear? Part of the starter mounting? I have no starter. No idea how it mounts. Anyone have a picture of that? What holds that ball and spring in place on the reverse thread set screw? Also wondering about the front crankshaft oil seal. How did that work? Sorry a million questions. Thank you for your patience. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hage Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Thank you Stude17 I will do that! What about that oil slinger seal? There isnt a rear seal either. Oil was cheap back then i guess?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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